On 30/05/2013 at 02:16, rpfc said:

This is why I want Jackson to know what he wants to do with the FD before he axes Neeld. There are so many aspects to the coming caretaker scenario that he should alter the FD at the same time rather than insall a caretaker and then have that persons previous position no longer exist.

I think that's what is happening 'rpfc', a lot hinges on the role of boss of the FD. I'm not sure if that's something that Craig would want to take on or even if he has the skill set to do it. 2 phys ed guys (Craig & Misson) is one to many so that would leave either senior assistant or senior coach. Also will or would Craig want to stay on with Neeld gone? It's not a position Viney could take with Jack at the club, the conflict of negotiating his contract would not sit well for a start.

The key candidates for FD boss aside from Craig would be from outside the club at the moment so it makes it harder to appoint someone now but things can change mid season as we've recently seen with Hawthorn. I've thought Peter Schwab would be an excellent choice maybe even Donald McDonald who is stepping away from North with his son coming to the club. If we were looking to poach someone else that may have to wait until the end of the season. Grant Thomas would be an interesting choice but I don't think AD would tick that one off.

  On 30/05/2013 at 02:27, Nasher said:

So what if his previous position no longer exists? That is going to happen independently of whether he fills in as the caretaker coach or not.

Eg. Viney caretaker. August comes and there are leaks (there always is) that Jackson has eliminated the Strategic Development position that Viney was to return to.

What happens then?

More bleeding and poor management, played out in slow motion in front of our eyes.

Just get it all done at once.

  On 30/05/2013 at 02:28, Fifty-5 said:

No, I disagree, change is both important AND urgent.

I think the whole thing is urgent and important. But as you say, it is indivisable - the future of the coach and the FD.

Removing the coach now and restructuring the FD later only draws out the bleeding.

  On 30/05/2013 at 02:31, rpfc said:

Eg. Viney caretaker. August comes and there are leaks (there always is) that Jackson has eliminated the Strategic Development position that Viney was to return to.

What happens then?

More bleeding and poor management, played out in slow motion in front of our eyes.

Just get it all done at once.

Then Viney gets a redundancy package. I don't see the problem other than PR, which I don't think is a massive deal - or at least is outweighed by the need for urgent change.

Edit: The obvious answer is to not make a man with a doubtful future the caretaker. If you're really that worried, make Rawlings the caretaker coach. Not much chance that an assistant coaching position will be made redundant.

  On 30/05/2013 at 02:36, Nasher said:

Then Viney gets a redundancy package. I don't see the problem other than PR, which I don't think is a massive deal - or at least is outweighed by the need for urgent change.

Edit: The obvious answer is to not make a man with a doubtful future the caretaker. If you're really that worried, make Rawlings the caretaker coach. Not much chance that an assistant coaching position will be made redundant.

PR is a minor concern.

Those that want an immediate end to the tenure of Neeld have similar reasons to want this as I do for a holistic answer to the FD's massive structural issues.

I feel that it is a major impediment to retaining and obtaining talent - on the field and off of it. I think it affects how the FD performs and, by extension, how the team performs. I fear what roles are not being done properly due to the make up of the FD.

Neeld is in a very important position. The department is equally important and urgent to fix in my view.

  On 30/05/2013 at 02:24, Fifty-5 said:

What's Neeld's KPI going to be this week? "Most of the selected 22 players turn up with their gear"?

No i think if he was asked about players and their gear he would say something like:

'as much as the footy public want to see players turn up with their gear it will not be how we measure success. I mean i understand why supporters expect players to turn up with their gear, i get that, i do, but for us its about the process and the elements that if put together correctly will mean that the end result will be the players will turn up with their gear.

But we can't be all about the end point. As i said our focus will be on the sub elements and process and this week the emphasis will be on the boys remembering to pack their bags correctly in the first instance.

Our expectation is the boys pack their bag with an elite mindset, but look it is what is. We have the least experienced AFL side ever to play the game. They're going to make mistakes, sometimes their socks will be missing or they'll pack the white shorts instead of the blue ones. But they'll learn and when they build their routines and get them to the elite level, well they will have correctly packed bags and regularly attend matches with them ready to go.

But supporters have to be patient, i get that might be frustrating, i do but we see the boys at the club and fans don't and they have been training to pack bags at a level that will allow them to make the next step

Good sides do the small things well and when they are done well the result will look after itself.'

What if after Monday's board meeting Neeld is announced as being the coach until the end of the season?

  On 30/05/2013 at 03:01, Satyriconhome said:

What if after Monday's board meeting Neeld is announced as being the coach until the end of the season?

It won't be hard to find a seat at the QB game the following monday for starters.

  On 30/05/2013 at 02:56, binman said:

No i think if he was asked about players and their gear he would say something like:

'as much as the footy public want to see players turn up with their gear it will not be how we measure success. I mean i understand why supporters expect players to turn up with their gear, i get that, i do, but for us its about the process and the elements that if put together correctly will mean that the end result will be the players will turn up with their gear.

But we can't be all about the end point. As i said our focus will be on the sub elements and process and this week the emphasis will be on the boys remembering to pack their bags correctly in the first instance.

Our expectation is the boys pack their bag with an elite mindset, but look it is what is. We have the least experienced AFL side ever to play the game. They're going to make mistakes, sometimes their socks will be missing or they'll pack the white shorts instead of the blue ones. But they'll learn and when they build their routines and get them to the elite level, well they will have correctly packed bags and regularly attend matches with them ready to go.

But supporters have to be patient, i get that might be frustrating, i do but we see the boys at the club and fans don't and they have been training to pack bags at a level that will allow them to make the next step

Good sides do the small things well and when they are done well the result will look after itself.'

Gold

  On 30/05/2013 at 02:56, binman said:

No i think if he was asked about players and their gear he would say something like:

'as much as the footy public want to see players turn up with their gear it will not be how we measure success. I mean i understand why supporters expect players to turn up with their gear, i get that, i do, but for us its about the process and the elements that if put together correctly will mean that the end result will be the players will turn up with their gear.

But we can't be all about the end point. As i said our focus will be on the sub elements and process and this week the emphasis will be on the boys remembering to pack their bags correctly in the first instance.

Our expectation is the boys pack their bag with an elite mindset, but look it is what is. We have the least experienced AFL side ever to play the game. They're going to make mistakes, sometimes their socks will be missing or they'll pack the white shorts instead of the blue ones. But they'll learn and when they build their routines and get them to the elite level, well they will have correctly packed bags and regularly attend matches with them ready to go.

But supporters have to be patient, i get that might be frustrating, i do but we see the boys at the club and fans don't and they have been training to pack bags at a level that will allow them to make the next step

Good sides do the small things well and when they are done well the result will look after itself.'

After the last couple of days I've had I really needed that!

Post of the month!!!!!

  On 30/05/2013 at 02:56, binman said:

No i think if he was asked about players and their gear he would say something like:

'as much as the footy public want to see players turn up with their gear it will not be how we measure success. I mean i understand why supporters expect players to turn up with their gear, i get that, i do, but for us its about the process and the elements that if put together correctly will mean that the end result will be the players will turn up with their gear.

But we can't be all about the end point. As i said our focus will be on the sub elements and process and this week the emphasis will be on the boys remembering to pack their bags correctly in the first instance.

Our expectation is the boys pack their bag with an elite mindset, but look it is what is. We have the least experienced AFL side ever to play the game. They're going to make mistakes, sometimes their socks will be missing or they'll pack the white shorts instead of the blue ones. But they'll learn and when they build their routines and get them to the elite level, well they will have correctly packed bags and regularly attend matches with them ready to go.

But supporters have to be patient, i get that might be frustrating, i do but we see the boys at the club and fans don't and they have been training to pack bags at a level that will allow them to make the next step

Good sides do the small things well and when they are done well the result will look after itself.'

"This week they remembered to pack their deodorant and tube of deep heat. We thought that was a pretty good effort."

Post of the season Binman!

  On 28/05/2013 at 23:09, Tall Defence said:

At no stage did I say the standard of the BFL is equal to the AFL, don't know where that's come from???

I said what it shows it that the fact he's still involved with the game of football, means he still obviously loves the game. Hence he would still keep a very close eye on the game and the current trends.

If you surrounded Swooper with some of the best assistants going round then there's no reason why it wouldn't work. The current trend is the get older coaches to over see rookies. Why not have an experienced senior coach who knows how to motivate and get the best out of his players with assistants who are totally over the modern trends.

Barassi went to Sydney after 7 years of no coaching what so ever. Swoopers at least been coaching in some form.

If we are going to bring back Northey might as well go the whole hog and bring back a cadaverous Checker-Hughes. He did briefly take over from Norm Smith in '65. I see dead people.

  On 28/05/2013 at 02:48, The Lobster Effect said:

Agree. Williams is some chance I would say.

What do people think about him?

No....just no

Massive ego...fluked a flag then bankrupted Port by getting himself the highest paid coach in the comp - around a $1m a year....when sacked, he got the full wack payout....Port still staggering financially.

For Williams, its all about him....

Need i say it...NO

  On 30/05/2013 at 12:32, Mono said:

No....just no

Massive ego...fluked a flag then bankrupted Port by getting himself the highest paid coach in the comp - around a $1m a year....when sacked, he got the full wack payout....Port still staggering financially.

For Williams, its all about him....

Need i say it...NO

I wouldn't say he fluked a flag, I think they were minor Premiers 3 times in 4 seasons between 2001-04, had a game plan which was found wanting a bit in finals, which he tweaked a bit to get the ultimate prize in 2004. He lost a few seasoned players from that side Wanganeen, N/S medallist Pickett, Hardwick, James, Francou, Wilson, Dew & Montgomery and managed to get a young average side to make a late run 3 years later (very similar to Dees 2000) only to be well and truly beaten in the 2007 GF by one all mighty team in Geelong!

  On 30/05/2013 at 00:25, Bring Back Barassi said:

Scotty Burns will be an AFL premiership coach at some club, mark my words.

I'm intrigued by Burns. I want an experienced coach, but his name tends to crop up a bit. Can anyone from Perth offer a little insight on him? If he's got the runs on the board under Worsfold, why have clubs consistently overlooked him? What's the word in WA? I noted I think PSD mention that Sumich stayed at WC for such a period, because he was no threat to Worsfold. Can the same be said of Burns, who's been at the club since 2009?

  On 30/05/2013 at 14:52, AdamFarr said:

I'm intrigued by Burns. I want an experienced coach, but his name tends to crop up a bit. Can anyone from Perth offer a little insight on him? If he's got the runs on the board under Worsfold, why have clubs consistently overlooked him? What's the word in WA? I noted I think PSD mention that Sumich stayed at WC for such a period, because he was no threat to Worsfold. Can the same be said of Burns, who's been at the club since 2009?

According to a number of reports, Burns knocked back Port Adelaide

  On 29/05/2013 at 22:49, Demon Disciple said:

He's got Hogan playing some bloody good football. That's enough to do it for me, lol!

Hogan is a Melbourne player, and trains full-time under the same coaches as all the other Melbourne players, i.e., the Melbourne coaches.

  On 30/05/2013 at 02:49, rpfc said:

PR is a minor concern.

Those that want an immediate end to the tenure of Neeld have similar reasons to want this as I do for a holistic answer to the FD's massive structural issues.

I feel that it is a major impediment to retaining and obtaining talent - on the field and off of it. I think it affects how the FD performs and, by extension, how the team performs. I fear what roles are not being done properly due to the make up of the FD.

Neeld is in a very important position. The department is equally important and urgent to fix in my view.

Maybe I'm just being thick rpfc, but I still can't see how this equates to Viney or Craig stepping in as senior coach being a problem. Surely having a caretaker coach and designing the proper structure of the footy department are two things that can happen at the same time.

  On 30/05/2013 at 14:52, AdamFarr said:

I'm intrigued by Burns. I want an experienced coach, but his name tends to crop up a bit. Can anyone from Perth offer a little insight on him? If he's got the runs on the board under Worsfold, why have clubs consistently overlooked him? What's the word in WA? I noted I think PSD mention that Sumich stayed at WC for such a period, because he was no threat to Worsfold. Can the same be said of Burns, who's been at the club since 2009?

Mark neeld had all the runs on the board before he was appointed.

  On 30/05/2013 at 12:32, Mono said:

No....just no

Massive ego...fluked a flag then bankrupted Port by getting himself the highest paid coach in the comp - around a $1m a year....when sacked, he got the full wack payout....Port still staggering financially.

For Williams, its all about him....

Need i say it...NO

thank god you arent on the coaching selection panel

  On 30/05/2013 at 02:56, binman said:

No i think if he was asked about players and their gear he would say something like:

'as much as the footy public want to see players turn up with their gear it will not be how we measure success. I mean i understand why supporters expect players to turn up with their gear, i get that, i do, but for us its about the process and the elements that if put together correctly will mean that the end result will be the players will turn up with their gear.

But we can't be all about the end point. As i said our focus will be on the sub elements and process and this week the emphasis will be on the boys remembering to pack their bags correctly in the first instance.

Our expectation is the boys pack their bag with an elite mindset, but look it is what is. We have the least experienced AFL side ever to play the game. They're going to make mistakes, sometimes their socks will be missing or they'll pack the white shorts instead of the blue ones. But they'll learn and when they build their routines and get them to the elite level, well they will have correctly packed bags and regularly attend matches with them ready to go.

But supporters have to be patient, i get that might be frustrating, i do but we see the boys at the club and fans don't and they have been training to pack bags at a level that will allow them to make the next step

Good sides do the small things well and when they are done well the result will look after itself.'

Magnificent! Take a bow!!

  On 30/05/2013 at 21:23, Nasher said:

Maybe I'm just being thick rpfc, but I still can't see how this equates to Viney or Craig stepping in as senior coach being a problem. Surely having a caretaker coach and designing the proper structure of the footy department are two things that can happen at the same time.

I agree, that we can have a caretaker and a restructure. I would simply like them to do it concurrently. If that means pushing back The Decision a few weeks then so be it.

There are supporters concerned about the message sent to the players with a broken FD and a failed coach. I would like to end the uncertainty (in as much as you can) in one swoop.

Announce the future of the coach and the next day announce the changes the were made the day before to the FD and who will be in those roles for the rest of 2013.

I worry that announcing the future of the coach and then leaving the FD structure to be fixed a month later does not send the proper message to the players and it is unfair for the staff. It would be a minor restructure (coach fired) and then a delayed major restructure (ending multiple lines of communication to CEO, nixing duplicated roles etc).

If we require a caretaker coach I don't think it should be Todd Viney. Not for any reason other than it will create unnecessary media tension when Jack Viney plays...or doesn't. Denis Pagan faced similar problems when his son was on the Kangaroos list (albeit Denis was the full time coach).

If Viney was the only option, I'd take him, but with other experienced coaches in Craig and Rawlings in the employ of the club, I'd choose one of them first.

Maybe this poll should have a keep Mark Neeld option?