All year we've been beaten across the board - how can we have so few possessions yet so few tackles? if you compare this side even to the MFC side from 2009 its worlds apart. Sometimes you have to dismantle something and go backwards as a consequence to ultimately go forward. maybe that is what is happening now but Mark Neeld hasnt sold that well and when he said he is surprised how far back we are im worried.

Knowing MFC we will sack Mark Neeld and then appoint another untried coach...

Yep and GL will be on the panel again. (Provided he has the time)

Where to from here: THE PUB. That's where.

Does anyone even care anymore?

i care and feel sorry for my wife and kids who put up with me week after week after performances like that [censored] dished up today

Pity there isn't a relegation, promotion system in place. A season or two in the VFL might help.

Help us what? Back to the VAFA?

That was simply one of the most insipid performances I have ever seen.

Issue 1: Gameplan. What the hell is it? Win contested possessions? FAIL. Run and overlap? fAIL. Tackle and spread? FAIL. No Gameplan to speak of.

Issue 2: protect the kids. This is simply no excuse. When kids are earning the money that these guys are earning, it is unacceptable for them to walk around and be insipid. Second to contests, no tackles, no simple skills. Time to skewer them all. Not good enough.

Issue 3: pride. We are the only team that doesn't play for the jumper. Neild's pre game address on TV was appalling, and where is the pride and passion?

Today's game must be a call to action. Something significant has to happen. No more excuses.

I travel to Victoria next Saturday for work and I am heading to Cats vs Pies on Saturday night. Have to head to Bendigo Sunday for work Monday and was intending to head up after the Richmond game but think I will head up Sunday morning for lunch & a few beers. FMD I really need this nightmare to end!

I daresay with the AFL's approval, our only chance is to massively invest in bringing in the best available senior and assistant coaches.

Fact is, if the next iteration of the rebuild doesn't work, we are a done club.

I sacked my ballsacks but we still not winning.

Sack everybody. Especially the players.

First thing you need to do is some how change the culture - a culture tarnished by the sacking of stalwart captain James MacDonald - a culture tarnished by over tanking - a culture tarnished by the poor treatment of longterm players like Robbo and Cameron Bruce - a culture that allowed players like Brock McClean and Tom Scully to leave with little more than a whimper - a culture where passed players and officials lined up to dob in people at the club administration for tanking. A culture where losing is ok. A culture where kids are your best leaders.

the club is truly poisoned. A total clean out is the only way.

Off to the wood chipper.

Daniher used to try and inject a bit of mongrel every now and then - Angry Phil Read - Byron Pickett - whereas now days its bruise free all the way.

Where to from here? Only god knows.

I am just done with this club in its current version.

The Coach and coaching group, the players', the board, the whole [censored] organisation. We can only pray that the AFL will step in and save us, because we clearly can't ourselves. I know we weren't left in the best shape by the end of 2007 and the Gardner board, but it has only gotten worse. Try as hard as he might, Jimmy just simply couldn't turn this train-wreck around and he was so time-consumed with this disgrace of a club, he put off getting a lump on his back checked because the footy club was taking up so much of his time. We all know what transpired, i'm just glad he didn't see all his hard work prove to be for nothing.

To all the players', it's just shameful that you have zero [censored] respect for what the club and jumper represents to all us members who bleed red and blue, for all those to have given their all to the club in both an on-field and off-field sense, you disgrace everything good this club has stood for, for over 154 years.

To the coaching group and in particular the coach, no you aren't solely responsible for when players' decide to give their all (which should be all the time), but you are responsible for motivating, aspiring and inspiring them to give their all for as long as they can. Unfortunately, you have never obtained the players' full support (which is equally the playing group and coaching group's fault). Your ignorance to make changes to your coaching method when nothing seems to work has been staggering, which is only equaled by your arrogant, naive contempt for this club.

The current powers that be have overseen and been responsible for a period that most would call the worst this club has ever seen, in our once great history. I hold all involved with the football club during this time responsible. You are responsible for many long-time supporting and now suffering supporters giving up on their club, as well as failing to inspire many, young and old, from wanting to start supporting it.

Many changes are needed, starting with all the highest jobs at the club. The Presidency, CEO, head of FD, Coach, Board. All need to be changed if we have any hope of survival (which at best is 50/50 and only through support from the AFL).

I have zero faith with the football club in its current form. In my 20 years of support of this club, i have experienced some amazing high's, yet these are heavily outnumbered by lower low's, all of which have occurred in the last 6.5 years (i wasn't around for the 70's and early 80's, so can't compare). The rate we are going this footy club will not exist for much longer. Get people who truly give a damn about this club in to achieve the seemingly unachievable, and rescue my football club from itself, PLEASE!!!!!

What war chest? The one minus $1.5 mill? We have no 'war chest'. Pay out Neeld, Craig and most of the assistants and we are minus $2.5-3mill.

I had us at a $2m loss with paying Neeld out.

I'll leave it to Jackson to do it. Its a tragedy watching MFC.

It will be up to Jackson to decide. We don't know if there are "out" clauses in any contracts. That might limit the damage. But you have to weigh up the cost of the pay-out against the cost of on-going losses. I don't care what the club does, as long as they do something. And tell us what they are doing. No more of this "have patience, we're on the right track..." If there were signs of overall improvement I could hang in there, but there's not. DO SOMETHING! DON'T THINK, DO!

And get flogged by Bendigo

Or Casey...

www.youtube.com/watch?v=WjQZNAfxaTw

Sorry, couldn't resist haha.

Hell.

Nope, wait never mind, we're already there.

Knowing MFC we will sack Mark Neeld and then appoint another untried coach...

Even Norm Smith got overlooked the first time

Really think we wont have a choice in an untried coach as money will be a factor

The bottom of the ladder after GWS thrash us.

The bottom of the membership ladder when under 20000 rejoin next year - unless drastic changes take place.

The Northern Territory after the MCC kick us out for embarassing them.

two words.... JESSE HOGAN

two words.... JESSE HOGAN

TIme to stop looking for quick fixes, simple solutions, and white knights to ride over the hill to rescue us. There is no simple solution. There is no single saviour. Just as there is no single person or cause responsible.

What we're seeing is a long period of neglect, mismanagement and poor decision-making, overlain by a couple of years of off-field strife - not all of our own making (Jimmy's death, Jurrah, Misfud) - the consequences of which have been magnified through being down the bottom at the exact moment when the AFL took the cream for two start-up clubs.

We need to get some solid citizens into both the Admin and FD - Jackson seems a good start - and to get back to focusing on being a footy club again. We need to focus on the non-sexy stuff, of simply having a decent, well-run, unified club, in the hands of competent and experienced people.

And when all that's there, perhaps we can turn our attention to the coach(es) and the players. Because until that's there, they - or their successors - just don't really have a chance.

oh yes - another trip to the excuses bucket, that's where

Either we back Neeld to the hilt and go through the draft again or we sack him right now and bring in someone else.

If we think the players are to blame, then we keep Neeld and get new players.

If we think Neeld is to blame, then we sack Neeld and back the players.

Either way we need to make our choice now.

The trouble is Chook no one at the club seems to know which scenario of the two is correct

Its appalling and so rediculous it just make me wonder who we have running this circus and who ever is needs to go now!Canb somebody tell me who is actually running the MFC maybe the problem with CS was that he worked out no one was and he tried his best to do it all.

Either we back Neeld to the hilt and go through the draft again or we sack him right now and bring in someone else.

If we think the players are to blame, then we keep Neeld and get new players.

If we think Neeld is to blame, then we sack Neeld and back the players.

Either way we need to make our choice now.

could we do both?