Neeld took a fairly high risk approach on the way he treated our incumbent senior leaders upon taking the reigns. I expect it was calculated.

It seems to me that this approach was a pretty big miscalculation in the circumstances. Probably made sense on paper - made no sense in reality.

It never made any sense Ron.

Scully left for 6 large. Don't kid yourself there were other reasons. McLean left because he was injury prone and slow. Revisionist by him to blame tanking, And stupid if that was his reason to go to Carlton.

And hasn't Scully torn it up at GWS??

I mean really. Who has left and gone on to great things other than Scott Thompson??

Darren Jolly has 2 flags to his name and it was between him and Jamar who would take over from Jeff White

Five rounds after leaving... awarded Best on Ground against former team & coach... You are right, actions speak louder than words

Couldn't agree more... shame he couldn't have shown more leadership quality at the Dees and, despite being dropped from the leadership group and the vice captaincy, made an effort to prove the coach wrong instead of sulking and, to use his own words, dropping his bundle.

Darren Jolly has 2 flags to his name and it was between him and Jamar who would take over from Jeff White

Armstrong has a flag to his name as well with West Coast... can't say it was largely due to his contribution though.

Beamers comments seemed to reflect in the way the 2013 Demons play.

But was..... Beamer has said he did not think Neeld believed in him.

Wonder how many current MFC players are feeling that way?

I think I remember you calling Beamer a flat track bully on a few occasion from the past? & lacking in leadership?

letting Beamer go? .... after last years tantrums? a wise decision in hindsight.

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Five rounds after leaving... awarded Best on Ground against former team & coach... You are right, actions speak louder than words

Yeah,he's helped the lions alright.... & he's gonna help Voss right out of a job as well... Voss's decisions in his recruiting are real headscratching material...

I am not sure there is any argument that Beamer (and Rivers) would be in a our first 18 now. However, the decisions weren't made for season 2013. Neeld's trying to rebuild a mess and it involves some cleaning out.

I don't know what sort of presence Beamer had, but it's the environment at Melbourne that is more toxic than the list.

I think you may mean the environment over long period of time, has been has been detrimental to developing young players into elite players.

Armstrong has a flag to his name as well with West Coast... can't say it was largely due to his contribution though.

he was never the same after Bali

but was a nice guy and always happy to talk

I think I remember you calling Beamer a flat track bully on a few occasion from the past? & lacking in leadership?

letting Beamer go? .... after last years tantrums? a wise decision in hindsight.

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Averaging 25 touches and over 5 tackles... Yeah we don't need that in our stellar midfield

Averaging 25 touches and over 5 tackles... Yeah we don't need that in our stellar midfield

Who's to say he'd be getting that in our midfield ?

Averaging 25 touches and over 5 tackles... Yeah we don't need that in our stellar midfield

It's what the 25 touches create, that is his problem, I prefer the way we are going, if Moloney leaving gave us Matt Jones, great

Who's to say he'd be getting that in our midfield ?

That's kind of my point though. Sick of everyone saying "he was useless, glad he's gone", when clearly he can be a decent player, and could have been for us.

It's what the 25 touches create, that is his problem, I prefer the way we are going, if Moloney leaving gave us Matt Jones, great

Riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight.......

Darren Jolly has 2 flags to his name and it was between him and Jamar who would take over from Jeff White

Fair call. Jolly was given about 8min gametime a week under ND. No wonder he was pizzed off and then pizzed off.

It's what the 25 touches create, that is his problem, I prefer the way we are going, if Moloney leaving gave us Matt Jones, great

HAHAHAHAHAH

hilarious!

Beamer is having a better year than any of our midfielders IMO, including both Jones'

That's kind of my point though. Sick of everyone saying "he was useless, glad he's gone", when clearly he can be a decent player, and could have been for us.

To me it went both ways. Neeld clearly mismanaged Beamer, but likewise Beamer didn't have to "drop his bundle". He could've put aside the differences for the good of his team and the club. He chose not to.

Armstrong has a flag to his name as well with West Coast... can't say it was largely due to his contribution though.

Bishop went alright at Port (and won a flag) but he was a spare parts player. We have a lot of spare parts players at the moment, but no stars to lead them in the right direction.

To me it went both ways. Neeld clearly mismanaged Beamer, but likewise Beamer didn't have to "drop his bundle". He could've put aside the differences for the good of his team and the club. He chose not to.

He was wanting to go before Neeld got to the club, it's a convenient excuse now.

Neeld didnt think Moloney was a leader.

Moloney shoved it right up him.

....which in turn proved that he wasn't really a leader. A leader would have "shoved it right up him" as you put it by positive actions on the field, not by sulking like he did. Leader....pffftt.

Couldn't agree more... shame he couldn't have shown more leadership quality at the Dees and, despite being dropped from the leadership group and the vice captaincy, made an effort to prove the coach wrong instead of sulking and, to use his own words, dropping his bundle.

I think I remember you calling Beamer a flat track bully on a few occasion from the past? & lacking in leadership?

letting Beamer go? .... after last years tantrums? a wise decision in hindsight.

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Who's to say he'd be getting that in our midfield ?

Not to mention he was largely the problem... he was upset over his treatment and got a major case of the sulks that impacted the whole side. He doesn't need to sulk at the moment, so he shows what he is capable of... that actually makes me more glad that he has gone; let's see what happens at the Lions the moment Voss calls him out for some indiscretion.

The ol' what came first debta - chicken or the egg

This club is bigger then these two blokes (Neeld and Moloney)

Both can get f'ked for screwing this club over

I think there's a very good chance that Moloney liked his role under Bailey and wished it could have continued. When it didn't under Neeld, he felt overly-disenfranchised. Where Neeld failed was in being able to connect with Moloney and get the best out of him.

Moloney lost me when he turned up on 186 day knowing he wasn't up to it and let the whole club down badly - maybe justifying it by thinking he didn't want to let down his mates, but he actually did, big time. A very selfish, not a selfless, act.

The post Bailey sulks was the icing on the cake. Presumably Bailey let him do whatever he liked and Neeld, rightly or wrongly, for better or worse, wanted him to follow team rules and protocols which he didn't seem to like doing. QED

Neeld wanted Moloney to play a defensive game as well which didnt seem to work. Moloney coasted through under Bailey and Neeld tried to push him harder.

Look I loved Moloney but he didnt believe in the coach either so whats a coach to do when a player doesnt believe in him.

I reckon these shows get ex players on because they know they will get a headline out of it.

Yeah its a free world so if he wants to speak out then let him however maybe he could look at the class of some past players that have been moved on and not bagged the club.

The person who had every right to whinge and bag the club after wrongly getting the boot was James McDonald. But he handled it well and didnt have a go at Bailey or anyone.

Both parties should move on.

He was wanting to go before Neeld got to the club, it's a convenient excuse now.

And your evidence is?