"Tanking"

[Mono 455]

you have a beef with CC billy. Your paranoia is baseless. Seriously.

CC works hard for the club. May it continue.

He did his knee when he could have been Captain of the Demons.

I don't sacrifice those people, particularly over the misunderstanding of a quick Joke.

Wilson is employed to sell chip wrapping paper. Remember that.

Speaking of quick Jokes, wasn't it Liberatore who said that Carlton officials said "tank you" instead of "thank you" in 2007?

[jnrmac 20,053]

Easy and shallow.

You surprise me.

Yeah but he's right.....

[Sir Why You Little 36,963]

Speaking of quick Jokes, wasn't it Liberatore who said that Carlton officials said "tank you" instead of "thank you" in 2007?

Pity no one heard it, but ole CC is being offered to the firing squad to suffice a quick deal.

This club has been fractured for way too long. Time to stand united.

[jnrmac 20,053]

Bomber blitz going nuts tonight because CW also said "essendon will get theirs"

They are lining up to sue/maim/crucify/burn at the stake etc etc

For once and once only I am with 'em.

[rpfc 28,253]

Have a "sig" about myself ? That could be fun. No.

Look, I have to say I'm astonished. The child like behaviour by so many adults on here is extraordinary. I'm genuinely amused. I only care about what the AFL decides. If they punish us I'll be mightily p1ssed off, as I can't see how they can prove any charge - not withstanding the fact that I haven't seen all of the evidence.

My position is simple (awaits the tryhards with such an opening):

1. We tanked

2. You shouldn't be able to prove it if all hold firm

I'll leave the legal debates on the definitions to the less emotional, i.e. no-one on here.

[Macca 16,909]

Many of us have taken umbrage at Caro's articles because her writings can carry so much weight. She can be very influential and is quite popular (unfortunately) People are drawn to what she writes. I'd hazard a guess that she is one the most read footy journalist in the land.(remembering that to read the Herald/Sun online will cost you a subscription of about $150 a year, so 'The Age' would have become quite popular 'online') Her articles often get 'Top billing'.

I can't stand her writings lately as she has gone down quite an unpleasant path. This morning's piece was just totally over the top and full of mistruths. Her current style is quite nasty and vindictive.

Journalists will often write what the people want to read so Caro 'feeds' the masses. She is treating our club as if we're expendable and the level of callousness is beyond the pale. What has been lacking since this investigation started has been balance in the media. Maybe we should have expected a lack of balance?

She wouldn't have any influence over the AFL but if she can influence the footy public's thinking, then that in turn could influence the AFL. There is a touch of the 'Populist' at AFL HQ's. They've been known to make decisions that could be termed 'Politically correct'. The AFL punishing our club could easily be viewed as a somewhat 'popular' decision (unfortunately).

Reckon the reason we have a delay in the decision is because they can't find a solution that suits all parties. I'm more than convinced that the AFL do not want any sort of court involvement. Also reckon that the club may have 'surprised' the AFL with the way we've come back at them.

Don McLardy's comments today were succinct and will carry a lot weight (especially if the media give his comments a good airing and in turn, have some favourable comments attached)

I'm much happier with Gillon McLachlan overseeing things but am still a little concerned about whether a sensible decision will eventuate. Clothier is still involved in the process and he may want to justify his involvement. I'm hoping wiser heads prevail and we can quickly put this saga behind us.

[Yossarian 1,820]

Have a "sig" about myself ? That could be fun. No.

Look, I have to say I'm astonished. The child like behaviour by so many adults on here is extraordinary. I'm genuinely amused. I only care about what the AFL decides. If they punish us I'll be mightily p1ssed off, as I can't see how they can prove any charge - not withstanding the fact that I haven't seen all of the evidence.

My position is simple (awaits the tryhards with such an opening):

1. We tanked

2. You shouldn't be able to prove it if all hold firm

I'll leave the legal debates on the definitions to the less emotional, i.e. no-one on here.

Awesome.

[Guest José Mourinho]

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/afl/more-news/afl-wants-access-to-wire-taps-and-police-surveillance-in-fight-against-organised-crime/story-e6frf9jf-1226577402875

The AFL is lobbying to get access to wire tap recordings and police surveillance, in the name of fighting organised crime and drugs...

But this could have drastic consequences for the tanking investigation.

Who knows what has been said on the phone between involved parties who were investigated?

Not sure if this only relates to new surveillance, or if there is old footage and recordings that they may get access to, but it's something we should hope does not come to a head before the tanking investigation and any consequent legal proceedings are completed.

[Go the Biff 3,414]

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/afl/more-news/afl-wants-access-to-wire-taps-and-police-surveillance-in-fight-against-organised-crime/story-e6frf9jf-1226577402875

The AFL is lobbying to get access to wire tap recordings and police surveillance, in the name of fighting organised crime and drugs...

But this could have drastic consequences for the tanking investigation.

Who knows what has been said on the phone between involved parties who were investigated?

Not sure if this only relates to new surveillance, or if there is old footage and recordings that they may get access to, but it's something we should hope does not come to a head before the tanking investigation and any consequent legal proceedings are completed.

Wouldn't think so Jose. Even if they had a recording of CC sprouting "we made Sally Robbins look like Ron Barassi" they wouldn't be able to use it. Phone taps are for criminal offences. Onerous privacy laws would preclude them from including such info in their evidence

[The Big Ticket 94]

Such a shame he has you on his Ignore list.

[Bobby McKenzie 2,383]

Many of us have taken umbrage at Caro's articles because her writings can carry so much weight. She can be very influential and is quite popular (unfortunately) People are drawn to what she writes. I'd hazard a guess that she is one the most read footy journalist in the land.(remembering that to read the Herald/Sun online will cost you a subscription of about $150 a year, so 'The Age' would have become quite popular 'online') Her articles often get 'Top billing'.

I can't stand her writings lately as she has gone down quite an unpleasant path. This morning's piece was just totally over the top and full of mistruths. Her current style is quite nasty and vindictive.

Journalists will often write what the people want to read so Caro 'feeds' the masses. She is treating our club as if we're expendable and the level of callousness is beyond the pale. What has been lacking since this investigation started has been balance in the media. Maybe we should have expected a lack of balance?

She wouldn't have any influence over the AFL but if she can influence the footy public's thinking, then that in turn could influence the AFL. There is a touch of the 'Populist' at AFL HQ's. They've been known to make decisions that could be termed 'Politically correct'. The AFL punishing our club could easily be viewed as a somewhat 'popular' decision (unfortunately).

Reckon the reason we have a delay in the decision is because they can't find a solution that suits all parties. I'm more than convinced that the AFL do not want any sort of court involvement. Also reckon that the club may have 'surprised' the AFL with the way we've come back at them.

Don McLardy's comments today were succinct and will carry a lot weight (especially if the media give his comments a good airing and in turn, have some favourable comments attached)

I'm much happier with Gillon McLachlan overseeing things but am still a little concerned about whether a sensible decision will eventuate. Clothier is still involved in the process and he may want to justify his involvement. I'm hoping wiser heads prevail and we can quickly put this saga behind us.

Caro sure had plenty of rebuffs from readers following her pathetic little piece of illogical crap. Gee, she could make her hatred and bitterness towards Melbourne a little less obvious.

[hoopla 418]

Fifty 5 and others have said that any negotiated settlement between the AFL and the MFC will also need the approval of any individuals charged (Schwab, Bailey and Connolly).

Its recognised that the negotiated settlement would be a waste of time if it scapegoats any one of them.

The first thing they would do would be to bring down MFC and the AFL and the integrity of the whole issue would be beyond repair.

But FWIW, I dont think Connolly needs to be glorified for his role at the Club. A dying Stynes took control of the FD from him in 2010. And the Club have moved him out of the FD in 2011 in preference for others. In the LT, he is hardly a must keep based on role performance.

I reckon this is the key to continuing negotiations

If the AFL has decided to base its case on the Richmond game - then it has go for Bailey under Reg 19. This puts Bailey's future as Adelaide Asst Coach in jeopardy - in fact his whole livelihood will be on the line. If the AFL refuse to accept his denials, he'll have no choice but to argue that he was only doing what he was asked to do ..... which will put Connolly ( and Schwab and the club) in the gun.

Bailey has to fight for the sake of his family ............. and that could drag things out even if CC,CS and the Club are happy to settle.

[jabberwocky 2,301]

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/afl/more-news/afl-wants-access-to-wire-taps-and-police-surveillance-in-fight-against-organised-crime/story-e6frf9jf-1226577402875

The AFL is lobbying to get access to wire tap recordings and police surveillance, in the name of fighting organised crime and drugs...

But this could have drastic consequences for the tanking investigation.

Who knows what has been said on the phone between involved parties who were investigated?

Not sure if this only relates to new surveillance, or if there is old footage and recordings that they may get access to, but it's something we should hope does not come to a head before the tanking investigation and any consequent legal proceedings are completed.

It doesn't work like that JM. Won't and can't happen for many reasons.

[daisycutter 29,603]

-16 (phase II)

Will Bob & Ben and all all the FlowerPot men's wet dreams come to a climax today?

[old dee 23,777]

-16 (phase II)

Will Bob & Ben and all all the FlowerPot men's wet dreams come to a climax today?

If I was a praying man I would be on my knees dc.

But alas I doubt it

[Whispering_Jack 29,769]

I was listening to Mark Fine on SEN and boy, did he give Caro a serve over her opinion articles in general but over her treatment of Melbourne and her lame duck piece in particular. Compared her to New Idea and its ilk with her constant use of unnamed sources to justify the rumour and innuendo she peddles. Finey read out Don McLardy's message and was highly complimentary.

[nutbean 8,838]

-16 (phase II)

Will Bob & Ben and all all the FlowerPot men's wet dreams come to a climax today?

Eww

[daisycutter 29,603]

pity the Hun didn't pick up the kero/mclardy story this morning. thought they'd go hard on the Rage

[Dr John Dee 1,057]

-16 (phase II)

Will Bob & Ben and all all the FlowerPot men's wet dreams come to a climax today?

Or will they have only weed themselves?

[Rhino Richards 1,467]

I reckon this is the key to continuing negotiations

If the AFL has decided to base its case on the Richmond game - then it has go for Bailey under Reg 19. This puts Bailey's future as Adelaide Asst Coach in jeopardy - in fact his whole livelihood will be on the line. If the AFL refuse to accept his denials, he'll have no choice but to argue that he was only doing what he was asked to do ..... which will put Connolly ( and Schwab and the club) in the gun.

Bailey has to fight for the sake of his family ............. and that could drag things out even if CC,CS and the Club are happy to settle.

If there is a negotiated settlement then its in all parties interest that individuals potentially in the gun are not left hanging to dry. If one person is left a scapegoat then their frank admissions could blow what credibility the AFL and MFC have out the window. I think all parties are negotiating because there smart enough to realise that no one will win if this goes to Court.

[beelzebub 23,313]

-16 (phase II)

Will Bob & Ben and all all the FlowerPot men's wet dreams come to a climax today?

Who's Bob ?....is he Bill's mate ?

[The Chazz 4,077]

you have a beef with CC billy. Your paranoia is baseless. Seriously.

CC works hard for the club. May it continue.

He did his knee when he could have been Captain of the Demons.

I don't sacrifice those people, particularly over the misunderstanding of a quick Joke.

Wilson is employed to sell chip wrapping paper. Remember that.

It's not paranoia, WYL, and I think it's far from baseless.

Cuddles may be a great bloke and a hard worker, but if he has said on numerous occasions in numerous forums that our aim for the year is to win less than a certain amount of games, then he is a fcuking idiot, and should take the blame for this whole saga if found guilty, given that I'm in no doubt that the Club will not be charged with tanking, and that Schwab is cleared.

I'm continually amazed at the amount of people saying "he said it as a joke, it's just others misunderstood it". Why did he say it at all? Why did he say it in multiple forums? Why not keep it between he, Schwab, Stynes and Bailey? This is my issue - we all knew what we had to do, we all knew what we wanted to achieve, we all knew what we were doing was a grey area, why not just STFU and let people do the job they know they are expected to do. Why tell groups of supporters/sponsors what the plan is? This is part of the reason that we are in the sh!t and all the others aren't.

I would be blown away if our legal team think CC will get off. I hope for his sake that they do, and that he is, and will happily apologise.

[Hannibal 5,814]

Such a shame he has you on his Ignore list.

What a gem. One of the more cutting things I've ever seen on the net.

The guy is like a female I burnt years ago.

[iv'a worn smith 1,979]

What a gem. One of the more cutting things I've ever seen on the net.

The guy is like a female I burnt years ago.

Joan of Arc? BH, just so that I become enlightened, could you give me a concise definition of your version of "tanking". PLEASE.

Also, it would appear that at least one of RR's posts has been removed from this thread. AMAZING!!!!!

[Red and Bluebeard 2,083]

who's Bob ?....is he Bill's mate ?

Maybe Bob the Builder built a time machine, and went back into the black-and-white TV era, and the Bill & Ben show (sorry, DC, couldn't resist)

Edited February 13, 2013 by Red and Bluebeard