Jonathan Giles of GWS is apparently not happy with the offers made to him by the Giants and he has told them he will look elsewhere if they cannot give him a fair deal. Adelaide and Collingwood in the mix - Adelaide's Brenton Sanderson rates Jon Giles

May force GWS's hand in the draft to take Grundy at #1

If we recruit him, and he turns out to be as good as his namesake Peter (MFC 1980s) I'll be happy

Picks 3 or 4 would be worth a lot more to them if they want to get Grundy

Jonathan Giles of GWS is apparently not happy with the offers made to him by the Giants and he has told them he will look elsewhere if they cannot give him a fair deal. Adelaide and Collingwood in the mix -

Adelaide's Brenton Sanderson rates Jon Giles

Have they run out of salary cap room? How could that happen, unless they were paying someone way too much?

Giles is a good example of what can be overlooked on the list of another club. It's hard to believe he spent 4 years at Port and never got a game.

Would love to see the club get several "Giles types" over the next few months but not so much Giles specifically.

Have they run out of salary cap room? How could that happen, unless they were paying someone way too much?

gold !!!!

Giles averaged 14 disposals, 3 marks, 22 hit outs and a goal a game in his first full season, with absolutely no support.

He kills jamar in everything except hit outs, and is 5 years younger.

Staggering that GWS are supposedly keen on an established ruckman. Just as staggering that we signed jamar for 3 more years when you could get someone like Giles on the cheap.

Have they run out of salary cap room? How could that happen, unless they were paying someone way too much?

nice one

I'd take Giles in a heartbeat.

Well if we want him I am sure on form Neeld would move heaven and earth to get him.

If Collingwood get hold of him, it could completely ruin any designs we have on trading Martin and/or acquiring Wellingham.

Or other such rumours.

Had a stellar year, better than any of our talls and at 24 is coming into his prime.

Apparently asking $300k.

Had a stellar year, better than any of our talls and at 24 is coming into his prime.

Apparently asking $300k.

If we trade Martin, yes.

If we trade Martin, yes.

Straight swap? Perhaps Martin not quite enough so could chuck in a late draft pick or perhaps Morton. The question is do we need another ruckman. Gawn should right ot go, I rate Spencer and Fitzy can play back up role

Straight swap? Perhaps Martin not quite enough so could chuck in a late draft pick or perhaps Morton. The question is do we need another ruckman. Gawn should right ot go, I rate Spencer and Fitzy can play back up role

I wouldn't be against that idea. I disagree about Gawn though; he was in and out of the side in 2011 and missed all of 2012. I think he is a fair way off from securing a spot in the 22.

Edit: Assuming that what you mean by "right to go" is 'AFL ready'.

I always thought Peter a good player, his brother Glenn was.... ahem less so! Don't you think they would be a little past it by now?

Looks set to Join the Pies. How do they do it?

Looks set to Join the Pies. How do they do it?

If that is true HG - then you would think Dawes is definetly out the door..........

I wouldn't be against that idea. I disagree about Gawn though; he was in and out of the side in 2011 and missed all of 2012. I think he is a fair way off from securing a spot in the 22.

Edit: Assuming that what you mean by "right to go" is 'AFL ready'.

2011 was only Gawn's 2nd season after he missed most of 2010 with injury. Don't think there's to many ruckman who command a spot in the 22 in only their 2nd seasons. I thought he showed a lot in the 5 games he played last year and if he can get over his injury will be the goods for us to take over from Russian.

Reckon from 2014 onwards he'll turn the heat up on Jamar. Giles is a no for me. Jamar, Gawn, Spencer as 1st rucks. Clark, Martin, Fitzpatrick and Sellar all capable of playing 2nd ruck. No need for Giles.

HG is back - any more sneaky updates you might have?

How is anyone possibly rating Spencer? He's hopeless, open your eyes. I like Gawn but he's now had 2 ACLs in the last 4 years.

I'd take Giles in a flash, delist Spencer and be glad we've got Jamar and Giles for now and Gawn for the future.

That said I'd rather invest in a forward and midfielders so I wouldn't go all out on him.

Giles is a no for me. Jamar, Gawn, Spencer as 1st rucks. Clark, Martin, Fitzpatrick and Sellar all capable of playing 2nd ruck. No need for Giles.

Ill have whatever you're smoking.

Jamar is getting on (after playing one great year that was an outlier and easing since then), he is going to need a good backup and moreso in future.

Spencer has had maybe a half dozen OK games, nothing more. Is not a 1st rucks behind.

Gawn looked great and then did his knee, have no basis to rely on him, but here is hoping.

Clark has not been bought as a relief ruckman (coach has said it endlessly)

Martin has not shown enough yet to make me think he's a ruckman and looks set to leave anyway (so be it). He's done just OK at chopping out in the ruck but has never damaged when forward.

Fitz has not shown anything near being a 2nd ruck at AFL level, but again happy to watch him develop.

So if Giles (a tall, goal kicking, mature bodied, good tap ruckman) is possible, then yes please. Why on earth wouldnt we take the better player and delist / move on those that fall by the wayside?

Jon Giles 2012 season: 20 games averaging 14.2 disposals and 3.5 marks, plus 18 goals.

Mark Jamar 2012 season: 14 games averaging 8.3 disposals and 2.1 marks, plus 1 goal.

Stefan Martin 2012 season: 7 games averaging 13.9 disposals and 4.4 marks, plus 7 goals.

Plus Jamar is four and a half years older than Giles and three and a half years older than Martin.

I know who my preferred ruck combination would be, and it wouldn't include the virtual witches hat wearing number 40.

Just thought I'd throw it out there. Had a stellar year, better than any of our talls and at 24 is coming into his prime.

Apparently asking $300k.

ok ! could you organise it. Trade for Martin?