Moloney on FC

[Mono 455]

Watched an interview with Moloney on Footy Classified.

Summary: its only the first game....and ....THE coach will do what he needs to. (He spoke about Neeld in the 3rd person and not by name, with respect to selections.)

Scary. Moloney is not buying into the new regime. Days numbered?

[Chook 15,012]

I posted this on the other thread:

Beamer's response gives the perception that he is sooking about the coach. He spoke quietly (unusual for Beamer) and he said that he "hopes" Aaron Davey and Brad Green get a game. The correct response to that question is "They'll get a game if Neeldy and the coaching group thinks they deserve one - and the same goes for every player, including me."

"Hoping" your mates get a game is the wrong approach to take.

Players have no right to dictate terms to a new coach. Perhaps after four or five years of abject failure or the staleing of a message, but not when the new coach has just come into the club.

[Good Times Grimes 2,396]

Beamer doesn't strike me as the brightest light in the harbour, and it seems as though Neeld's game plan and approach is quite complicated. Could it be that he just doesn't understand what the coach is asking of him? Or do you think he's having a whinge about not being in the leadership group? I think it's likely a combination of the two factors.

I think we all know for a fact that he's not very good at public speaking after watching Beamer's Bumps and Bruises. I remember a few years ago Jim Stynes asked him in front of several fans what he dreamed of doing. When the obvious answer was to "win a premiership", Beamer instead said something along the lines of "become a professional NFL-er." He's not good at communicating, and I think this is going to be a problem for him under Neeld. He should not be permitted to discuss the MFC on programs such as FC and the Footy Show.

[Sir Why You Little 36,980]

Beamer is running out of chances. The coach put faith in him last saturday and got nothing back.

"Blind Faith" was the comment. Beamer has obviously ruled the changeroom and that could very quickly be coming to an end.

[Rhino Richards 1,467]

Given Moloney's game was poor and MFC's performance was abysmal following on from Stynes passing,, its a hard gig to front a TV football show inquisition under those circumstances.

His TV performance was not as poor as the rehash of a baseless rumour regurgitated by apparent supporters that there is a schism between the Coach and some of the senior players. Its only trace of validity is that its being repeated ad nauseam on this site by promoters who have no proof of its actuality. And if self serving media types like Grant Thomas want to fuel such stuff then see it for what it is.

[wmth 69]

Read nothing into it. When your down, you get kicked. Media clutching at straws to find another angle.

[mauriesy 7,261]

Media clutching at straws to find another angle.

More like our supporters clutching at straws to find another tool to promote division.

[praha 11,236]

I don't think Beamer is smart enough to consciously refer to the coach in the third-person. If anything he's probably doing it unconsciously because he's so scared of him.

[the fork 357]

Is the above stated rumor the one Mark Stevens' just tweeted about? I must admit I have no idea what is being spoken about here...

StevoHeraldSun Mark Stevens

Neeld rumour been swirling around for 3-4 weeks. Who started it? Seems impossible task, but Dees have tossed ball into AFL's court.

My apologies I ave just woekn up, caught the news on what this tweet refers to. Sorry.

Edited April 2, 2012 by the fork

[diesel 420]

I knew some of our supporters would fall straight into jungle drum beating of Wilson and Thomas. I, like most others here welcome the attempt by Neeld at changing the culture within the footy club and we outside have to chill out for a bit and see how it unfolds.

I am absolutely NOT backing the players. They have failed me/us repeatedly. They need to tow the line, fall in or get out. So real or imagined discontent, don't even go there!

Edited April 2, 2012 by diesel

[monoccular 17,413]

I don't think Beamer is smart enough to consciously refer to the coach in the third-person. If anything he's probably doing it unconsciously because he's so scared of him.

Lets hope that they are all scared of him!

[Tricky 341]

I knew some of our supporters would fall straight into jungle drum beating of Wilson and Thomas. I, like most others here welcome the attempt by Neeld at changing the culture within the footy club and we outside have to chill out for a bit and see how it unfolds.

I am absolutely NOT backing the players. They have failed me/us repeatedly. They need to tow the line, fall in or get out. So real or imagined discontent, don't even go there!

Absolutely agree.

Regardless of the rumors - the stats from Sat show Beamer with ZERO marks and 2 tackles. Staggering.

[Bonkers 994]

Is the above stated rumor the one Mark Stevens' just tweeted about? I must admit I have no idea what is being spoken about here...

StevoHeraldSun Mark Stevens

Neeld rumour been swirling around for 3-4 weeks. Who started it? Seems impossible task, but Dees have tossed ball into AFL's court.

My apologies I ave just woekn up, caught the news on what this tweet refers to. Sorry.

That rumor is in regards to Grant Thomas's racial allegation of talking to aboriginal players only in a group. He has asked the AFL to investigate as he said he was quite hurt by it when speaking about it "on the couch".

[hardtack 10,514]

Is the above stated rumor the one Mark Stevens' just tweeted about? I must admit I have no idea what is being spoken about here...

StevoHeraldSun Mark Stevens

Neeld rumour been swirling around for 3-4 weeks. Who started it? Seems impossible task, but Dees have tossed ball into AFL's court

Could that possibly relate to the Grant Thomas comments? Neeld stated on On The Couch that he had referred the matter of comments relating to his interviewing of the indigenous players as a group rather than individually, to the AFL... he was pretty cut up about that to say the least. Edit: err yes, what Bonkers said :-)

Now, back onto this topic, why is it that people inevitably use this forum as an opportunity to sink the boot into players over their levels of intelligence etc etc... we saw it with Colin Sylvia the other day and here it is, happening again with Moloney. They are footballers, not Rhodes scholars, so how about cutting them a bit of slack. Is it possible that Moloney referred to him as "The Coach" out of respect (or fear) or just simply because it came out that way without any intent behind it... it's not like they are best buddies who hang out together after all.

Edited April 2, 2012 by hardtack

[rpfc 28,262]

Let's not pull things out of context because of the noun Brent used to refer to the coach.

If Brent is upset with his performance, the performance of the team, and the future of the senior players...

So am I.

[Swooper 255]

What is the big deal? Soccer players constantly refer to 'The Manager' rather than 'Guus' or 'Holga'. So it shows a bit of distance between Neeldy and the boys. I am sure that is exactly what he is trying to do. He certainly isn't there to make friends and good on him.

How's Grant Thomas on FC last night saying in one breath that dictatorial approach could suit a club like Melbourne and our more recent cultural history and then went on to crap on about player 'empowerment'. Which one is it?

Also, am getting over Malthouse thinking he is holier than thou and putting his bit in at every opportunity (of course I know he is paid to do so now and wants to stay relevant) - for gods sake, what did he want the club to do with the death of Jimmy - pretend it didn't happen to shield the players?

Paying respect to Jimmy and having that as the corner stone of club culture is far more important than 4 points in Rd 1 in my book.

[beelzebub 23,313]

Beamer is rapidly scurrying down a path to become one of our Yesterday Men. I hope this doesnt occur as we need his tenaciousnous and singular view to attack. However the game Neeld want to employ is a bit more than that .. Beamers a bang crask kick style player but thats a very gung ho approach and is not often all that accountable. Accountability is everything Neelds brand of footy is about.

Brent...do you want to still play for Melbourne ?? Adapt........or th door, there is no middle. Understand that and pour your enthusiasm and love for the jumper into that.

[dees189227 12,373]

^{Look im not reading to much into this. Moloney was on footy classified on one year and I didnt think he was a great speaker especially when you compare him to Trengove or Grimes and they are younger. I remember that now when he said about becoming a professional nfl player. Brent should focus more about getting the ball and how to overcome getting heavily tagged.}

^{Every part of our club got hammered this week, the players, coach, Garry Lyon came out and had a crack back at Malthouse and Richo about them having a go at presenting jumpers on the ground. I couldnt believe that Malthouse said the players shpuldnt have done the guard of honour and not wore the blazers. Wearing blazers didnt affect the result on the weekend. Sorry are you trying to tell me that when Lou Richards goes or one of there other legends the collingwood players wont do a guard of honour. Sorry Mick Jim actually meant somehting to these players. I htink Mark Neeld will be glad to get out of the state.}

[old dee 23,781]

Beamer is rapidly scurrying down a path to become one of our Yesterday Men. I hope this doesnt occur as we need his tenaciousnous and singular view to attack. However the game Neeld want to employ is a bit more than that .. Beamers a bang crask kick style player but thats a very gung ho approach and is not often all that accountable. Accountability is everything Neelds brand of footy is about.

Brent...do you want to still play for Melbourne ?? Adapt........or th door, there is no middle. Understand that and pour your enthusiasm and love for the jumper into that.

BB I have a bad feeling the he only knows one way or can only play one way.

Sad because I geniuely believe his heart is in the right place but we could be seeing the last on him.

I would not be surprised to see him leave at the end of 2012.

It cannot be any fun for Beamer at the MFC at the moment.

He could be a great pickup for another club, still young enough to have an impact for a couple of seasons at the right club.

Sadly I think the future looks poor for him at the MFC.

[Spaghetti 264]

Amazing how quickly so many of you are writing off Beamer! He finished top ten in the brownlow last year and already his days are numbered? Ease up...

[rhaz 342]

Couldn't agree more Stylus. Grimes and Trengove (the golden boys) will be copping it soon.

[old dee 23,781]

Amazing how quickly so many of you are writing off Beamer! He finished top ten in the brownlow last year and already his days are numbered? Ease up...

It is not his ability that has changed Stylus

It is the situation he is now in at the MFC.

Dropped as Vc, Dropped from the leadership group ( His peers obviously think there are others better able to lead them ), Tarnished rightly or wrongly by the 186 fiasco.

Poor form in the pre season and first game.

A year can be a long time in football, just ask Brad Green or Davey

[Arsene Wenger 72]

What is the big deal? Soccer players constantly refer to 'The Manager' rather than 'Guus' or 'Holga'. So it shows a bit of distance between Neeldy and the boys. I am sure that is exactly what he is trying to do. He certainly isn't there to make friends and good on him.

How's Grant Thomas on FC last night saying in one breath that dictatorial approach could suit a club like Melbourne and our more recent cultural history and then went on to crap on about player 'empowerment'. Which one is it?

Also, am getting over Malthouse thinking he is holier than thou and putting his bit in at every opportunity (of course I know he is paid to do so now and wants to stay relevant) - for gods sake, what did he want the club to do with the death of Jimmy - pretend it didn't happen to shield the players?

Paying respect to Jimmy and having that as the corner stone of club culture is far more important than 4 points in Rd 1 in my book.

I think, with a new coach, who has come in to effect swift and drastic change, forming a relationship will take time.

Considering the circumstances, I think if I were Moloney, I'd feel uncomfortable referring to the coach by a nickname as if there was a level of familiarity there that doesn't actually exist.

The fact Neeld clearly is seen as an authority figure amongst the group, cannot be seen as a bad thing.

Bailey was mates with all the players, and where did that get us?

[Arsene Wenger 72]

Amazing how quickly so many of you are writing off Beamer! He finished top ten in the brownlow last year and already his days are numbered? Ease up...

I've thought his number has been up for years, personally.

One-trick pony that will never be part of a winning team.

Hope I'm wrong, but he's lucky I'm not list manager, cos I'd have traded him last year.

[Mono 455]

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Considering the circumstances, I think if I were Moloney, I'd feel uncomfortable referring to the coach by a nickname as if there was a level of familiarity there that doesn't actually exist.

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very good point.