Pick activation - both picks activated

[Striker475 696]

GC have a mid range pick which was traded to them from Geelong. I believe (along the lines bing181 stated) that our mid ranger would be before theirs (assuming Geelong finish higher than us in 2012 which is virtually a lock in).

Dr. Who raises a reasonable point also about how far down the draft we want to go. We can always try offloading a player with a pick to get a pick upgrade or to bring a decent player in but that will be easier said than done.

By everything that's being reported, we'd want to go a long way, or at least have heavy early picks. I'm going for a double activation, with a potential to trade (wouldn't mind trading one of the compos for the GWS #1 17 year old)

[old55 23,546]

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1st round after club

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GWS (after Crows/Davis for Crouch)

Bulldogs (after Dogs/Ward)

Melbourne (after Melbourne/Scully)

Geelong (after Geelong/Ablett)

Mid 1st round after non-finalists

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GWS (Geelong/Ablett via Gold Coast for O'Meara)

Melbourne (Melbourne/Scully)

End of 1st Round

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Gold Coast (Adelaide/Bock)

Gold Coast (Brisbane/Brennan)

Brisbane (Brisbane/Rischitelli)

* Brisbane (Dogs/Harbrow pick) - pick 30 in 2011

** North (Hawthorn/Brown) - used in 2010

2nd Round after club

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Richmond (after Port/Krakoeur)

3rd Round after club

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West Coast (after Collingwood/Fraser)

Bulldogs (after Bulldogs/Reid)

Plus 2012 GWS uncontracted player

Plus 2012 Free Agency compensation

Edited January 31, 2012 by old55

[1858 285]

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Thanks for that, didn't realise GC used their compo as part of the O'Meara deal.

Does anyone know if there actually is a FIFO rule as suggested in that thread?

[Guest Dr Who]

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1st round after club

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GWS (after Crows/Davis for Crouch)

Bulldogs (after Dogs/Ward)

Melbourne (after Melbourne/Scully)

Geelong (after Geelong/Ablett)

Mid 1st round after non-finalists

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GWS (Geelong/Ablett via Gold Coast for O'Meara)

Melbourne (Melbourne/Scully)

End of 1st Round

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Gold Coast (Adelaide/Bock)

Gold Coast (Brisbane/Brennan)

Brisbane (Brisbane/Rischitelli)

* Brisbane (Dogs/Harbrow pick) - pick 30 in 2011

** North (Hawthorn/Brown) - used in 2010

2nd Round after club

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Richmond (after Port/Krakoeur)

3rd Round after club

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West Coast (after Collingwood/Fraser)

Bulldogs (after Bulldogs/Reid)

Plus 2012 GWS uncontracted player

Plus 2012 Free Agency compensation

Plus is there a very, very high possibility that Gold Coast, Port and Brisbane might qualify for 1st round priority picks for not winning more than 4 games?

[Late Draft Pick 48]

I don't think we always need to get rid of players to have a pick in the Draft. I'm sure it's possible to put some players on the Rookie List. For instance if there were a couple of young players that it was felt were still a year off playing senior football.

Also, as the year progresses we'll probably find out if there are any brilliant 17 year olds we might be interested in in the Mini Draft. We'll have a stronger hand hopefully than last year as no team in a strong draft is likely, as Gold Coast did last year (pick 4?), to give up an early Compensatory pick to GWS in order to enter the mini draft. I'd give up both compensatory picks if there was a champion out there, and in that way get valuable recompense for the player we lost to GWS.

[Striker475 696]

I don't think we always need to get rid of players to have a pick in the Draft. I'm sure it's possible to put some players on the Rookie List. For instance if there were a couple of young players that it was felt were still a year off playing senior football.

Also, as the year progresses we'll probably find out if there are any brilliant 17 year olds we might be interested in in the Mini Draft. We'll have a stronger hand hopefully than last year as no team in a strong draft is likely, as Gold Coast did last year (pick 4?), to give up an early Compensatory pick to GWS in order to enter the mini draft. I'd give up both compensatory picks if there was a champion out there, and in that way get valuable recompense for the player we lost to GWS.

On this...would we lose out on an activation of the first round pick alone?

Because, well:

- trade 2x picks to GWS for #1 compo pick

- still get JV with 2nd rnd pick

- get #1 pick (effectively) for 2013 draft as well as JV in exchange.

There's our #1 pick back.

[old55 23,546]

Plus is there a very, very high possibility that Gold Coast, Port and Brisbane might qualify for 1st round priority picks for not winning more than 4 games?

Good question - right now I reckon GC and Brisbane will win 5 games or more, I'm not confident about Port though - they only get GWS, GC and Brisbane once and GWS and GC are away games.

Will be interesting to see if there's any tanking.

[bing181 9,218]

However just to be pedantic the "mid-round" pick could also float just a little depending if the were any preceding compensation picks taken

.... er, which is what I said, no?

[H_T 3,043]

On this...would we lose out on an activation of the first round pick alone?

Because, well:

- trade 2x picks to GWS for #1 compo pick

- still get JV with 2nd rnd pick

- get #1 pick (effectively) for 2013 draft as well as JV in exchange.

There's our #1 pick back.

J.Viney will cost us our 1st round pick.

[Striker475 696]

J.Viney will cost us our 1st round pick.

No, he'll cost us our first pick won't he? So what if our first pick isn't til the mid-30s?

[daisycutter 29,613]

.... er, which is what I said, no?

very sorry Bing.....I think i mixed up/confused/combined two separate posts in answering

[daisycutter 29,613]

No, he'll cost us our first pick won't he? So what if our first pick isn't til the mid-30s?

you are not paying attention Striker - that scenario is impossible

the determination (bidding) for F/S occurs BEFORE any Trading is allowed therefore our first pick will be in the first round

[ickey_11 145]

I don't think they'll activate the picks because:

• They are worth more to GCS and GWS in the future because they will want a mix of players over a number of years;
  
• MFC will be thinking that a GCS or GWS player will want to return to Victoria and these picks are likely going to be the deal clincher;
  
• MFC would not want to be forced into using the the mid level pick (if things go well ) on Viney (or Stretch next year) so they will be planning on trading them if they can;
  

[Late Draft Pick 48]

And yet, Ickey, I don't see why GWS wouldn't want to get a pick around 12 - 14 in a very strong draft for nothing - they won't be able to save it for another year. It's last year or this year for the mini draft.

Also - Viney must be taken with one of our picks - not with one of our Compensatory picks.

And Stretch - who I am very interested in, will be available two years after Viney.( A year after we get that champion in the mini draft I hope) - and if he turns out well that will be three great years of recruiting for the club especially if we can get something special with the money saved over front-end loaded salaries in the

free agency.

[McQueen 17,864]

I'll give you a clue. One starts with M and ends with N and it has 6 letters.

Stef Martin?

You're on drugs.

[Hannibal 5,814]

This draft is rated the best since 2001 by those that follow it closely. For me it's a no brainer. We need to activate both. We're not in a position to stockpile quality picks. We need real talent and we need to develop it as quickly as we can.

[Lutz 76]

I'm all in favour of trading 1 compo pick plus change for Jack Martin.

That'd be best case scenario for us, I think.

[McQueen 17,864]

This draft is rated the best since 2001 by those that follow it closely. For me it's a no brainer. We need to activate both. We're not in a position to stockpile quality picks. We need real talent and we need to develop it as quickly as we can.

Absolutely.

If we do in fact get any better this year and the years following, these picks will only decrease in value, relative to draft order/finishing position.

If the mature age players drafted this year can give the grunt we badly need, both picks should be used on gun youngsters. Failing that, trade one pick off in search of a quality mature age player.

[Jordie_tackles 354]

Stef Martin?

You're on drugs.

morton

[McQueen 17,864]

morton

I will try harder on my next attempt at humour.

[Barney Rubble 1,576]

As Free trade is coming in.

Wouldn't it be logical to on trade to other clubs as a lure to release one of their good players if they have salary cap problems

You just never know, we may pick up a Pendlebury, Goddard or even a Voldermort.

[Freak 100]

as good as goddard is, we would get 5-6 years less with them as they are that much older.

[old55 23,546]

You don't need picks to target free agents and that market is open to every club. The picks are good for attack on players too young for free agency - if we can convince them to join us then we have the ammo to deliver a trade. See Essendon last year with Josh Caddy - they couldn't get the job done with pick 19 in a weakened draft but our compo picks could do it. We will be competing with GWS (uncontracted player rules) and the other clubs who have mid 1st round compo picks in this market - Dogs and Geelong. We need to be pushing the "go home" factor - Gaff for example.

There's really 3 ways we can use them:

1. in the draft

2. trade into the GWS mini-draft (altho we refused to pay market value last year for Crouch and offer both)

3. trade for a pre-FA uncontracted player

I like plan 3 if we can identify the right player, I'd prefer that to more 17 or 18 yos.

Edited February 1, 2012 by old55

[1858 285]

There's really 3 ways we can use them:

1. in the draft

2. trade into the GWS mini-draft (altho we refused to pay market value last year for Crouch and offer both)

3. trade for a pre-FA uncontracted player

I like plan 3 if we can identify the right player, I'd prefer that to more 17 or 18 yos.

A player like Gaff would be great as his RFA window (at Melbourne) wouldn't open until after he turns 28 not to mention being a decent player with a few years under his belt so he'd fit our list just nicely.

I'm not sure the club would want to part with both compo picks though but its great to have the options I guess.

[Lutz 76]

The RFA window is a way overvalued concept already