Max Gawn injured @ training Wednesday 14 December, 2011

[mordja 187]

Can anyone review the actual training please?

Cheers

[Slartibartfast 17,788]

See the Casey Christmas Party report.

[dee-luded 2,959]

Gawn set to have surgery

Max Gawn

MELBOURNE ruckman Max Gawn will require surgery after injuring his knee during training at Casey Fields on Wednesday.

Gawn underwent scans this morning, which confirmed a medial meniscus tear of the right knee.

[Deeoldfart 8,082]

Not much detail, but it seems like it's not as bad as it could have been.

[dee-luded 2,959]

Not much detail, but it seems like it's not as bad as it could have been.

We've always got to be prepared to hear negative injury News as this is a physical game, & longer limbed types, are prone to joint injuries.

Edited December 15, 2011 by dee-luded

[Whispering_Jack 30,946]

Medial meniscus tear - not ACL.

But time out still not known.

[Bitter but optimistic 22,288]

"a medial meniscus tear of the right knee"

Can someone explain this? Where does it rank on the scale of knee injuries?

[Bonkers 994]

A pretty good result considering his history of acl injury. I'd imagine he may be back in time for the start of the season if it's only the miniscus.

[Juicebox 628]

Medial meniscus tear - not ACL.

But time out not known.

At least it's mid December and not a week out from round 1...

Can anyone remember the specifics of Jamar's knee injury last season?

[pringle 42]

Not the worst thing to get. The meniscus is like a shock absorber between the femur (thigh bone) and tibia (main bone of the lower leg which, with the femur, forms the knee joint. The treatment will involve arthroscopy (camera into the joint) and cutting out the damaged part of the meniscus. He will be back into pretty much full training in 4-6 weeks.

[Disco Demons 92]

Not the worst thing to get. The meniscus is like a shock absorber between the femur (thigh bone) and tibia (main bone of the lower leg which, with the femur, forms the knee joint. The treatment will involve arthroscopy (camera into the joint) and cutting out the damaged part of the meniscus. He will be back into pretty much full training in 4-6 weeks.

Gawn is 209cm (or thereabouts)...4-6 weeks is ambitious...given his knee history.

[Barney Rubble 1,576]

Not the worst thing to get. The meniscus is like a shock absorber between the femur (thigh bone) and tibia (main bone of the lower leg which, with the femur, forms the knee joint. The treatment will involve arthroscopy (camera into the joint) and cutting out the damaged part of the meniscus. He will be back into pretty much full training in 4-6 weeks.

Totally agree.

I had had 2 done.

Up and walking next day with stiffness and swelling.

Plenty of ice and physio and swelling and stiffness disappeared in a week, then started slow running the week after, increasing load to be back to normal 4-6 weeks.

[The Chazz 4,077]

Gawn is 209cm (or thereabouts)...4-6 weeks is ambitious...given his knee history.

What's your background DD? Not being a smart arse, but are you in the medical/sports injury field?

[Guest Thomo]

Not the worst thing to get. The meniscus is like a shock absorber between the femur (thigh bone) and tibia (main bone of the lower leg which, with the femur, forms the knee joint. The treatment will involve arthroscopy (camera into the joint) and cutting out the damaged part of the meniscus. He will be back into pretty much full training in 4-6 weeks.

Would this, his second knee injury, indicate that he not have the knees for AFL, or is it more likely to be a coincidence?

[Barney Rubble 1,576]

Would this, his second knee injury, indicate that he not have the knees for AFL, or is it more likely to be a coincidence?

Totally different injury.

It's like comparing a broken finger to a broken arm.

[Barney Rubble 1,576]

At least it's mid December and not a week out from round 1...

Can anyone remember the specifics of Jamar's knee injury last season?

Did jamar have a PCL or am I mixing it up with Garland?

[Whispering_Jack 30,946]

I'm not a qualified medico like pringle but I'll accept his prognosis. I've also heard from a physio who says it's not usually a serious operation. He should be running in two weeks and training in (dare I say it) 4 to 6.

My two sons played a substantial amount of football at both senior (amateurs) and junior level and never suffered knee injuries (they copped others but their knees were free from trouble).

On the other hand my daughter suffered an acl injury playing netball. She subsequently didn't play sport for two years before making a comeback with her netball team.

She lasted four weeks before injuring the same knee and we feared the worst. However, it turned out that she suffered a medial meniscus tear - same as Max.

I've just checked this out with her and she emailed me that the surgery on the medial meniscus tear was a minor operation and much shorter than the reconstruction. She was already walking on it within a week and it was close to fully healed after a month or so although she was still doing physio etc for quite a while. For sportspeople who have access to quick surgery and good rehab facilities, it shouldn't be a problem.

I have to quote her last line to show how long she's been out of the football loop:-

He won't even miss the Ansett Cup if he has surgery now.

[Deetective Sgt. Taggert 389]

Haha, Ansett went bust years ago! Thanks for the heads up everyone. Let's hope Max has a full recovery.

[monoccular 17,607]

"a medial meniscus tear of the right knee"

Can someone explain this? Where does it rank on the scale of knee injuries?

Nowdys a 'relatively minor' arthroscopic procedure ? Few weeks to a month or so?

Certainly not, if done well and goes well, not in the league of an ACL.

In 1953? Ended John Coleman's career I believe.

[Akum 2,660]

During the surgery for the meniscus repair, they'll be able to have a good look at how the ACL repair is holding up.

And hopefully they won't have to remove too much of the meniscus.

[Disco Demons 92]

Max Gawn on twitter...at this stage it's 3-4 months. find out more tomorrow.

[Akum 2,660]

Max Gawn on twitter...at this stage it's 3-4 months. find out more tomorrow.

Sounds a long time for a medial meniscus tear (by the way, "meniscus" is medispeak for what most people would know as the "cartilage" in the knee, so "torn medial cartilage" might be a more familiar term) so maybe it's a larger tear. The medial meniscus is often damaged at the same time as an AC tear, so I wonder if there was any previous damage to it?

[dee-luded 2,959]

Sounds a long time for a medial meniscus tear (by the way, "meniscus" is medispeak for what most people would know as the "cartilage" in the knee, so "torn medial cartilage" might be a more familiar term) so maybe it's a larger tear. The medial meniscus is often damaged at the same time as an AC tear, so I wonder if there was any previous damage to it?

I think I've read that these days they can do things to treat and regenerate the cartledge. IF so, then that rehab treatment may require some gentle rehab time to knit a tear. Just guessing.

[monoccular 17,607]

Whatever, he looks as if he will be Gawn for a little while anyway.

Ruck plan #2 will come into play

[Whispering_Jack 30,946]

Whatever, he looks as if he will be Gawn for a little while anyway.

Ruck plan #2 will come into play

I'm not certain that Max was part of ruck plan # 1 in the first place. He's young, raw and big and ruckmen take a while to develop. Despite the optimistic outlook for the injury, I would expect the club and its medical people (assuming we have appointed a full time clib doctor) to take a conservative approach to the injury to minimise the possibility of a recurrence.

Don't expect him back any time before the end of April.