Cam Bruce gone?

[Viney12 196]

Any chance Bruce and his manager summised that he had only 1 possibly 2 years (if lucky) in the AFL.

He was offered a 1 yr deal at MFC - Younger list, struggling coach, risk of another tough bottom quartile finish, another tough year ahead

He was offered a 1 yr deal at HFC - List ready to challenge again with the possibility of winning a flag.

What do you do?

He took HFC as the one chance to possibly feature in a flag. Ok did not pay off with his injuries

What he missed at MFC in 2011?

1.Instability off field in FD and Board

2, Terrible injury/suspension list

3. an opportunity to participate in 186

4. Sacking of the Coach.

5. Certain delisting after season's end

Cant say I blame him for having a shot at glory.

"Bruce believes his amazing durability at Melbourne, as well as sixth place in this year's best-and-fairest award, meant he would be treated better by the Demons."

From here

and

''It was the major reason for the decision,'' he said. ''The lack of confidence started to affect my thought processes and that was the reason for the change.'' Bruce added that he was confident he had ''quite a few years left''.

From here

Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/has-cam-bruce-gone-mad-20110403-1csry.html#ixzz1bHHOlY00

[Yoda 33]

My memory of Cam leaving is that one of his reasons was the poor treatment of Junior who was dumped well before there was any pu

Yep, there's nothing like pu to put a different perspective on things

... and 'dumping well before there is any pu' would take quite some effort I imagine.

[Viney12 196]

Wrong! He was laughing at the prospect of Cam being a FITNESS adviser. The 'not tough enough' comment came later. Read Flemo56's comment again Yoda.

I think he was laughing at his own joke of "Trakky Dakks Fitness Advisors"

I don't think anyone could knock Cameron for his fitness - that was a strong attribute of his

[rpfc 28,735]

"Bruce believes his amazing durability at Melbourne, as well as sixth place in this year's best-and-fairest award, meant he would be treated better by the Demons."

From here

and

''It was the major reason for the decision,'' he said. ''The lack of confidence started to affect my thought processes and that was the reason for the change.'' Bruce added that he was confident he had ''quite a few years left''.

From here

Read more: http://www.theage.co...l#ixzz1bHHOlY00

I have to agree with Viney12 here, RR.

The guy was a Demon stalwart and left because we were only offering a year. He got a year with riders, didn't meet the riders and that is that.

If he gets another year I would be surprised - at Hawthorn he is taking a spot on the list, at Melbourne he would still be taking the place of a rookie.

And that, as I said when he left, is the difference that will determine his career.

He left to lengthen his career and he shortened it by a year.

Irony.

[Bobby McKenzie 2,385]

I think he was laughing at his own joke of "Trakky Dakks Fitness Advisors" I don't think anyone could knock Cameron for his fitness - that was a strong attribute of his

It's quite strange people knocking Cam for wearing tracksuit pants before the action. Keeping legs warm on a freezing winter's day is surely clever and logical thinking. Swimmers do it, athletes do it without ridicule. All footballers should too but tradition prevents them. Or lack of individual thought.

[beelzebub 23,382]

But then BB you could never accept Cameron no matter what he did on the field. I wonder if, with your single minded attitude you ever gave him Demonland votes. I guess in your eyes he was just useless. Sad.

There were very few games he impacted in a positive ( nett) way. So many focus on his close in effforts , and there were many. He undid everything the second he thought ( oxymoron surely ) to dispose of it. His ability to put his own team mateds under the pump sure made him one of the best players for the opposition.

He had one really good year and then all poise and class got knocked ourt of him, literally. Bob..what sad is you stil think he was great..and not a liability on the field.

Make no mistake. Football , like any competitve sport inevitably comes down to success, to winning. That he could run around al day is just marvee , yet how many times did he come off looking absollutely drained. ?? At least Trapper did.

Ill sum up Cam shall I.. Probably a good bloke ( totally irrelevant) Great ethos at training. Probably played to 95-100 of ability. Probably put in 80-90% on game-effort. Ability to win ball, good. Ability to use ball bad. Had a very healthy self evalution come worth. Was obviously quite good at getting paid. In terms of rationalising his motives... full of sh!T !!

That anyone would consider him anything more than a so -so capable player , well thats up to them. Im under no illusions. Cam was very fortunate to have existed at the club during an era when his ego was indulged.

[Yoda 33]

It's quite strange people knocking Cam for wearing tracksuit pants before the action. Keeping legs warm on a freezing winter's day is surely clever and logical thinking. Swimmers do it, athletes do it without ridicule. All footballers should too but tradition prevents them. Or lack of individual thought.

They should also wear scarves to keep their necks warm and have a hot water bottle handy with their name and an emergency contact number on it.

[daisycutter 29,711]

Um 3 pages already. Didn't we have a much bigger thread on exactly this a year ago

What is the point of regurgitating the same pu?

[Viney12 196]

It's quite strange people knocking Cam for wearing tracksuit pants before the action. Keeping legs warm on a freezing winter's day is surely clever and logical thinking. Swimmers do it, athletes do it without ridicule. All footballers should too but tradition prevents them. Or lack of individual thought.

I think in reality "trakky dakks" was more of an affectionate terms for Bruce, more so than a derogatory one Bobby

[Bobby McKenzie 2,385]

There were very few games he impacted in a positive ( nett) way. So many focus on his close in effforts , and there were many. He undid everything the second he thought ( oxymoron surely ) to dispose of it. His ability to put his own team mateds under the pump sure made him one of the best players for the opposition.

He had one really good year and then all poise and class got knocked ourt of him, literally. Bob..what sad is you stil think he was great..and not a liability on the field.

Make no mistake. Football , like any competitve sport inevitably comes down to success, to winning. That he could run around al day is just marvee , yet how many times did he come off looking absollutely drained. ?? At least Trapper did.

Ill sum up Cam shall I.. Probably a good bloke ( totally irrelevant) Great ethos at training. Probably played to 95-100 of ability. Probably put in 80-90% on game-effort. Ability to win ball, good. Ability to use ball bad. Had a very healthy self evalution come worth. Was obviously quite good at getting paid. In terms of rationalising his motives... full of sh!T !!

That anyone would consider him anything more than a so -so capable player , well thats up to them. Im under no illusions. Cam was very fortunate to have existed at the club during an era when his ego was indulged.

Summing up. I have seen great players like Barassi, Mithen, Williams, Flower, McMahen , Cordner, Spencer,Tassie Johnson etc, etc,etc, etc. I think I know ability when I see it. NO, I am NOT saying he was a good as those mentioned BUT he was a very classy player. The ball use is a myth started by the infamous Yze Magic. The gullible fell for it. 72% effective disposal for a career is good is it not? Top ten for a decade is not too bad is it? Game on effort for Bruce was 100%.You are a hard marker mate. BTW he was drained physically and emotionally every game. Another unfair and untrue comment that he was never tired after a game insinuating he had not put in.

[beelzebub 23,382]

Um 3 pages already. Didn't we have a much bigger thread on exactly this a year ago

What is the point of regurgitating the same pu?

yep..and ill put pen away now. enough pixels wasted already.

[Bobby McKenzie 2,385]

They should also wear scarves to keep their necks warm and have a hot water bottle handy with their name and an emergency contact number on it.

Showing your ignorance about keeping muscles warm before the action Yoda. No comedian career for you I'm afraid.

[Bobby McKenzie 2,385]

yep..and ill put pen away now. enough pixels wasted already.

Hooray!!

[Viney12 196]

Summing up. I have seen great players like Barassi, Mithen, Williams, Flower, McMahen , Cordner, Spencer,Tassie Johnson etc, etc,etc, etc. I think I know ability when I see it. NO, I am NOT saying he was a good as those mentioned BUT he was a very classy player. The ball use is a myth started by the infamous Yze Magic. The gullible fell for it. 72% effective disposal for a career is good is it not? Top ten for a decade is not too bad is it? Game on effort for Bruce was 100%.You are a hard marker mate. BTW he was drained physically and emotionally every game. Another unfair and untrue comment that he was never tired after a game insinuating he had not put in.

Cam Bruce handballs to Melbourne Player, loops up a high handball, Melbourne player stands and waits for the ball to come to him, takes the ball = effective possession for Bruce and also = said Melbourne player waiting for ball being crunched

It is not a myth, his disposal was ordinary

Early in his career it was actually reasonably good

However he lost confidence with his disposal and never got it back

(pinpointed moment when he lost it? the woeful miss against WCE right on half time that would've put us up, running into goal, approx 35m out - should've slotted it, instead kicked a horrid helicopter that missed by miles). That was the beginning of the end of Cam's reasonable disposal

[DemonWA 3,936]

I can handle bashing Scully for leaving us, but all of the harsh words regarding Cam are out of line IMO.

Wonder if people will say the same harsh things about Jr when he only plays a few games next season for the Giants?

[Bobby McKenzie 2,385]

Cam Bruce handballs to Melbourne Player, loops up a high handball, Melbourne player stands and waits for the ball to come to him, takes the ball = effective possession for Bruce and also = said Melbourne player waiting for ball being crunched

It is not a myth, his disposal was ordinary

Early in his career it was actually reasonably good

However he lost confidence with his disposal and never got it back

(pinpointed moment when he lost it? the woeful miss against WCE right on half time that would've put us up, running into goal, approx 35m out - should've slotted it, instead kicked a horrid helicopter that missed by miles). That was the beginning of the end of Cam's reasonable disposal

Bad example the miss on goal from 35 metres out. He would have plenty of mates here from all clubs. Anyone can shank a kick.

[Yoda 33]

Showing your ignorance about keeping muscles warm before the action Yoda. No comedian career for you I'm afraid.

I'm a retired Jedi Knight, Bob. Comedy's just a hobby. Friday they have open mic at the main pub here in the Degobah System.

Edited October 20, 2011 by Yoda

[Dee Fan 3,247]

Cam Bruce handballs to Melbourne Player, loops up a high handball, Melbourne player stands and waits for the ball to come to him, takes the ball = effective possession for Bruce and also = said Melbourne player waiting for ball being crunched

It is not a myth, his disposal was ordinary

Early in his career it was actually reasonably good

However he lost confidence with his disposal and never got it back

(pinpointed moment when he lost it? the woeful miss against WCE right on half time that would've put us up, running into goal, approx 35m out - should've slotted it, instead kicked a horrid helicopter that missed by miles). That was the beginning of the end of Cam's reasonable disposal

Remember that game that kick and agree with you it was also probably the only good game Chris Johnson ever played for the club.

[Dee Fan 3,247]

Bad example the miss on goal from 35 metres out. He would have plenty of mates here from all clubs. Anyone can shank a kick.

Bobby he was by himself, fully balanced, running nicely in to goal, no pressure and he stuffed it up.

[nutbean 8,838]

Cam rolled the dice and went with a deal that he thought would let him play longer and in finals. Not to be. So be it.

I found him a good footballer nothing more. His disposal over the middle to end part of his career did let him down. It is not a myth. We supporters go to games and watch - 72% meh. We watched - we saw.

So he will do a Robbo - unhappy with the club - went away for a couple of seasons - now back in the fold. And I for one will thank him for his contribution when the dust settles ( but i will not have rose coloured glasses as to what his contribution was)

[Bobby McKenzie 2,385]

Bobby he was by himself, fully balanced, running nicely in to goal, no pressure and he stuffed it up.

Robbie, repeat, anyone can shank a kick. Slight slipping of feet etc. Saw Jeffrey Farmer hit the post from a free in the goal square on one occasion. 10 metres out, straight in front!!!! Did you remember that?

[Watt and Howe? 16]

GWS anyone?

[Damo 3,373]

Summing up. I have seen great players like Barassi, Mithen, Williams, Flower, McMahen , Cordner, Spencer,Tassie Johnson etc, etc,etc, etc. I

You must go a long way back Bobby, because you cant be saying David Cordner was better than Cam Bruce!

[rpfc 28,735]

Cam's 'helicopter' kicks were an endearing source of amusement for me and my friends as we watched him play. And the guy could run all day. His form before the Guerra tackle in 05 was the stuff of myth or legend - it was that good.

And in a decade I am sure all will be forgotten about his departure from the Dees.

But...

The criticism that rings true in my mind are his inconsistent kicking and the 'hospital' handpassing that Viney12 described - they were quite awful...

[Viney12 196]

Bad example the miss on goal from 35 metres out. He would have plenty of mates here from all clubs. Anyone can shank a kick.

My point being Bobby was that was the moment when his disposal went down hill

After that kick he seemed to lose all confidence when disposing of the ball

EDIT: In fact, I remember the way he dropped the ball during that kick. Horridly awkward and different to his usual style

From there on in he used to drop the ball onto his boot the same way

Edited October 20, 2011 by Viney12