The Mini Draft

[Deemort 28]

The 2nd pick in the MD has not even been confirmed, if it was a certainty an hour and a half ago it would've been confirmed by now. Just saying if it was Adel pick 10 and a compo and they get back pick 14, and ours is pick 12 and a compo and we want 25 back and they go for their deal, thats weird.

[Dockett 32 1,239]

Yeah but the problem is, they are 2 years away from even getting onto our list. Then they will need some time to get accustomed to the game at AFL level. If we are serious about winning a premiership, we need to commit with a group at some point, not just continue to bring in kids. If we kept on doing that, the current group of young kids will be about to retire, before we decide to have a dip.

You and Paul Roos seem pretty much aligned on the idea of a Total Rebuild being almost impossible for the reasons you have annunciated. Looks like it took our board a while to figure it out though. Anyhow maybe the penny has finally dropped and whilst we may have been somewhat interested in the GWS fun show, as we haven't paid overs, opportunities and our priorities could still be elsewhere. I look forward with interest to clubs with salary cap issues promptly resolving them, then I look forward with interest to free agency next year, then I look forward with to the first lot of Gold Coast Suns young guns coming out of contract also next year.

Am glad we still have plenty of cash in our pockets and worthwhile items to trade in this unending game.

P.S Hope if we go after those so far mentioned i.e. Lisle / McCarthy we would be talking only 3rd maybe 2nd rounders. Doesn't appear they would be future premiership winners from what I have seen so far.

[Deemort 28]

Never mind!

GWS will burn when there VIC kids want to come home. They will all be wanting to come to the Dee's.

Be patient Melbourne!

We are the competions biggest threat! And they know it.

hahahaha like the last 45 years!!

[H_T 3,049]

Our mid first round pick could end up being potentially pick 12/13 if you include ladder positions and all other PP's and CP's being activated for next years draft, after first round pick would then be around pick 15-20. Hardly world beaters. Putting it into context, we got Bate and Dunn with similar picks in 2004. The MFC and supporters are putting too much importance on these picks.

Tend to agree. Unless of course they're used in pretty decent trades to obtain quality. But history tells us that the elite don't fall often at these numbers, if at all. Then again, it's apparently a quality field next season.

[old55 23,687]

The 2nd pick in the MD has not even been confirmed, if it was a certainty an hour and a half ago it would've been confirmed by now. Just saying if it was Adel pick 10 and a compo and they get back pick 14, and ours is pick 12 and a compo and we want 25 back and they go for their deal, thats weird.

The lowest GWS pick INSIDE 25 is 14.

Melbourne also offered pick No.12 but wanted a draft selection inside the top 25 in return.

Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/suns-land-omeara-crows-in-box-seat-for-crouch-20111012-1lkew.html#ixzz1aXsa0phX

[GM11 782]

Interesting the assumption that Adelaide will take Crouch.

They probably will, but I'm sure they expressed interest in Kennedy a while back.

Would be worth trying to get third spot just on the chance Crouch is still there.

[daisycutter 29,711]

Our mid first round pick could end up being potentially pick 12/13 if you include ladder positions and all other PP's and CP's being activated for next years draft, after first round pick would then be around pick 15-20. Hardly world beaters. Putting it into context, we got Bate and Dunn with similar picks in 2004. The MFC and supporters are putting too much importance on these picks.

this^^^

[PaulRB 6,411]

I think that the mini-draft next year will be more likely to reap better results for our compo picks as the main draft, being stronger and uncompromised, will have few clubs prepared to trade away a top ten pick for a U 17 yr old... hence our compos will have greater currency. MN and TH have been reading Micks new book...

[Redleg 41,409]

Firstly, I don't get the idea of it being a fair "auction" if GWS themselves determine what's the best bid. Who works out whether 10 and give back 14 is better than 12 and give back 25?

Secondly, isn't the complicating factor that these compo picks are determined by finishing order in the year they're taken? That makes the picks much more speculative. If Adelaide finish bottom next year and we finish, say, 7th, isn't their compo pick then worth a lot more?

As to first point what is wrong with the seller determining his price. Isn't that what usually happens?

As to second point the compo picks were the pick after where you finished but we also had a mid ladder compo. Maybe GWS thought Crows would finish much lower than Dees next year.

[daisycutter 29,711]

I think that the mini-draft next year will be more likely to reap better results for our compo picks as the main draft, being stronger and uncompromised, will have few clubs prepared to trade away a top ten pick for a U 17 yr old... hence our compos will have greater currency. MN and TH have been reading Micks new book...

maybe, but then we have to wait till 2014 before we can play him (at the earliest).

we need class sooner than later

[Mac7 309]

Maybe the MFC, the ones who are professional and do this for a living, just didn't think he was worth throwing everything at. I trust that they know whats best and what he is worth.

A lot on here seem to watch some YouTube clips and get caught up in the media frenzy over a kid who still has a year before he can even play!!

Edited October 12, 2011 by Mac7

[Deemort 28]

Interesting the assumption that Adelaide will take Crouch.

They probably will, but I'm sure they expressed interest in Kennedy a while back.

Would be worth trying to get third spot just on the chance Crouch is still there.

Didn't they try to get crouch in the 5 way deal that was knocked back by the AFL. They will take him if the get pick 2.

[old dee 23,870]

As to first point what is wrong with the seller determining his price. Isn't that what usually happens?

As to second point the compo picks were the pick after where you finished but we also had a mid ladder compo. Maybe GWS thought Crows would finish much lower than Dees next year.

Redleg there is not too many spots below us.

18 th GWS

17 th Port

16 th GWS

15 th

14 th

13 th

12 Dees

That leaves 3 spots for Adelaide, Not much in it IMO

[H_T 3,049]

As to first point what is wrong with the seller determining his price. Isn't that what usually happens?

What someone is willing to pay, invariably becomes the market rate.

we need class sooner than later

We do need class. Midfield class. Hopefully it comes sooner, rather than later.

[beelzebub 23,382]

As to first point what is wrong with the seller determining his price. Isn't that what usually happens?

As to second point the compo picks were the pick after where you finished but we also had a mid ladder compo. Maybe GWS thought Crows would finish much lower than Dees next year.

I do.

[old dee 23,870]

What someone is willing to pay, invariably becomes the market rate.

We do need class. Midfield class. Hopefully it comes sooner, rather than later.

Don't restrict yourself to the midfield H_T

There are 4 -5 other spots that need a large injection of class

[Redleg 41,409]

What someone is willing to pay, invariably becomes the market rate.

Yes but as I said it is the seller who says I will accept or decline the offer.

[Redleg 41,409]

Redleg there is not too many spots below us.

18 th GWS

17 th Port

16 th GWS

15 th

14 th

13 th

12 Dees

That leaves 3 spots for Adelaide, Not much in it IMO

I don't understand what you are saying.

[old dee 23,870]

I do.

Me too BB but there is not much in it.

[beelzebub 23,382]

Me too BB but there is not much in it.

you reckon ? I think we'll finish a lot higher that that lot..seriously

[old dee 23,870]

I don't understand what you are saying.

Sorry for being obscure.

IMO we will be no higher than 12th that only leaves 3 spots below us for Adelaide.

Not a lot better deal if GWS think a future Adelaide pick is better than one from the MFC.

Does that explain it?

[H_T 3,049]

Don't restrict yourself to the midfield H_T

There are 4 -5 other spots that need a large injection of class

Duly noted. But priority nevertheless.

[old dee 23,870]

you reckon ? I think we'll finish a lot higher that that lot..seriously

BB what constitutes "a lot"

3 places, 5 places, 8 places?

[GM11 782]

Didn't they try to get crouch in the 5 way deal that was knocked back by the AFL. They will take him if the get pick 2.

No.

They tried to get pick 2 in the mini draft. They don't have to take Crouch with it.

They probably will take him, but no one is locked into any particular position.

[Deemort 28]

Redleg there is not too many spots below us.

18 th GWS

17 th Port

16 th GWS

15 th

14 th

13 th

12 Dees

That leaves 3 spots for Adelaide, Not much in it IMO

I'm lost, why are we penciled in for 12th next year?