The word on Brad Green

[rpfc 28,477]

I dont have a problem with Green being our captain because, as i've said before, i dont think a group of players should need a captain to motivate or lead them to play their best, especially when you have a million coaches & support staff who are effectivley leading the direction of the side. Changing the captian wouldnt have a measurable effect on the way a team plays.

I vehemently disagree.

No matter what team you play in, at any level, those entrusted with leading the team have an effect on all others with their demeanour, body language, and response to challenges.

It may be small in the AFL, but it is a game of inches and we are losing a few with our LG and Captain.

[rpfc 28,477]

Frawley was close to the best player at the club last year, was all Australian, and signed a long term deal with the club, but was not put in the leadership group, and you want to elevate him to captain?

Aside from Frawley being a gun player, for what reason do you want him made captain? Why would you make him Captain when the Club and players do not see him as a leader?

Rarely is the best player the best captain. Maxwell at Collingwood and Ling at Geelong are perfect examples of what MFC should be looking for.

Onfield leadership isn't performance or talent.

It is the three things I mentioned in the post above.

And co-captaincy isn't captaincy.

It isn't perfect either, but I see it as a better option than the status quo.

[DemonWA 3,934]

Agree, but is Scully reall still one of your favourite players?

great pick up! will change that now!

obviously hate the lier/traitor as much as the next passionate supporter! ha

[Sir Why You Little 37,046]

I want to see this list given the toughest pre season ever concieved. From there the true leaders will emerge. The results may suprise us all. I do not believe in co captains.

One man should be in charge, with a bunch of deputies sure, but i hate this co captaincy rubbish. It merely dilutes responsibility.

[DemonWA 3,934]

I vehemently disagree.

No matter what team you play in, at any level, those entrusted with leading the team have an effect on all others with their demeanour, body language, and response to challenges.

It may be small in the AFL, but it is a game of inches and we are losing a few with our LG and Captain.

I see where you're coming from, but i think in such a proffesional system the value becomes far less. It's the players full time job to play the game FFS they should respond to challenges becasue they are being paid to do so. Additionally i feel the coaches & support staff, have agreater effect on the groups additude and culture than the captain.

[rpfc 28,477]

I see where you're coming from, but i think in such a proffesional system the value becomes far less. It's the players full time job to play the game FFS they should respond to challenges becasue they are being paid to do so. Additionally i feel the coaches & support staff, have agreater effect on the groups additude and culture than the captain.

Leaders matter.

Onfield leaders matter.

How is this an argument?

[Jesse Christ 2,884]

I dont have a problem with Green being our captain because, as i've said before, i dont think a group of players should need a captain to motivate or lead them to play their best, especially when you have a million coaches & support staff who are effectivley leading the direction of the side. Changing the captian wouldnt have a measurable effect on the way a team plays.

LOL

Even with "a million" coaches and support staff every group still needs a leader, it is an intrinsic value in any group. You have followers and leaders. The leaders (captain) sets the tone for the followers to replicate. Support staff and coaches don't lead on the field, you need a captain to do that, son!

And you are kidding me if you say changing captain wouldn't affect the way we play. Who would you rather follow into battle; Spartacus or Steve Erkel?

[old dee 23,792]

LOL

Even with "a million" coaches and support staff every group still needs a leader, it is an intrinsic value in any group. You have followers and leaders. The leaders (captain) sets the tone for the followers to replicate. Support staff and coaches don't lead on the field, you need a captain to do that, son!

And you are kidding me if you say changing captain wouldn't affect the way we play. Who would you rather follow into battle; Spartacus or Steve Erkel?

Whats with another avatar change mate?

[DemonWA 3,934]

And you are kidding me if you say changing captain wouldn't affect the way we play. Who would you rather follow into battle; Spartacus or Steve Erkel?

Mate, i think you've slightly missed the point.

We're not talking about picking a choice for Captain between Brad Green or Ron Barassi. We're talking about changing captains from Green to any of the other listed players on our current list. Ragrdless of who gets the mantle of skipper, its the same guys running out on teh park (give or take a few). Changing captain from Green to Moloney, or Green to Trengove etc wont have a measurable effect on the way the team plays. These guys that we tout as posiible skippers for next year are leading from the front allready. We're putting their hat in the ring becasue they are doing what we want our captain to do, and others are following, without the title.

[Jesse Christ 2,884]

I'm just keeping it real.

[Jesse Christ 2,884]

Mate, i think you've slightly missed the point.

We're not talking about picking a choice for Captain between Brad Green or Ron Barassi. We're talking about changing captains from Green to any of the other listed players on our current list. Ragrdless of who gets the mantle of skipper, its the same guys running out on teh park (give or take a few). Changing captain from Green to Moloney, or Green to Trengove etc wont have a measurable effect on the way the team plays. These guys that we tout as posiible skippers for next year are leading from the front allready. We're putting their hat in the ring becasue they are doing what we want our captain to do, and others are following, without the title.

If I have missed the point, you don't even have a clue what the point is.

Changing captain won't change our fortunes around 180- as it won't for any team. The lift in the teams output may only be marginal, but in sport even a 1% improvement is massive. It could mean the difference between losing a tight one and getting over the line.

I don't mean to offend you, mate- but it is glaringly obvious you have never played a team sport. Because if you did you would understand the importance of the right captain with the right attitude.

[DemonWA 3,934]

If I have missed the point, you don't even have a clue what the point is.

Changing captain won't change our fortunes around 180- as it won't for any team. The lift in the teams output may only be marginal, but in sport even a 1% improvement is massive. It could mean the difference between losing a tight one and getting over the line.

I don't mean to offend you, mate- but it is glaringly obvious you have never played a team sport. Because if you did you would understand the importance of the right captain with the right attitude.

dear oh dear, straight through to the keeper AGAIN! you dont need to be captain to be a leader

Name for me who the right captain is from our list, if not Green. Becasue my entire point revolves around this; Leaders are leaders and "captain" is just a title. Cousins was the leader at westcoast, even when Judd was given the mantle as skipper. Beamer is the leader of out team, Green is the captain. Formailisng beamer as captain wont change the way the team plays because they allready follow the lead of #22 anyway.

Wanting Green to stand down as captain is completly for the fans & media. I dont believe it changes the onfield performace when we allready have leaders anyway, not to mention a new coaching group with a strong message about the way they want the guys to play.

Edited October 13, 2011 by DemonWA

[Jesse Christ 2,884]

See we will bump heads on this forever, as you don't believe it changes the onfield performance and I do.

Young players look to the captain. The impressionable ones may think it's ok to replicate some of their negative actions out on the field. You may not see it as a big thing, but having a captain out there that sets the right example is huge in bringing about a winning culture.

The Cousins/Judd scenario was different- that was a decision based on appeasing media/possibly fans.

I stand by my comment that you have never played a team sport son. If you had you would understand the importance of your captain.

[DemonWA 3,934]

See we will bump heads on this forever, as you don't believe it changes the onfield performance and I do.

Young players look to the captain. The impressionable ones may think it's ok to replicate some of their negative actions out on the field. You may not see it as a big thing, but having a captain out there that sets the right example is huge in bringing about a winning culture.

The Cousins/Judd scenario was different- that was a decision based on appeasing media/possibly fans.

I stand by my comment that you have never played a team sport son. If you had you would understand the importance of your captain.

I've played team sports all my life and i find it somewhat patronising that someone with a user name "SloonieMcFloonieloone" would refer to me as son.

Captain is just a title. Leaders will lead with or without this said title.

[Jesse Christ 2,884]

Sorry if I come across as patronizing to you.

You are right. Captain is just a title. Leaders do lead with or without said title. But the key point you are missing is that those that need a captain- usually the impressionable younsters- will look to this captain and sometimes mimic his actions. Good, bad or whatever.

This is why you need a good captain who exudes confidence. Not a sook who giggles when the heat is on.

It all boils down to what kind of example you want to set to the non leaders. And before you say leaders can lead without the title again- it is the player with the title of captain which consciously or subconsciously sets the tone for the followers more so than any other leader on the field without said title.

[McQueen 17,864]

Sorry if I come across as patronizing to you.

You are right. Captain is just a title. Leaders do lead with or without said title. But the key point you are missing is that those that need a captain- usually the impressionable younsters- will look to this captain and sometimes mimic his actions. Good, bad or whatever.

This is why you need a good captain who exudes confidence. Not a sook who giggles when the heat is on.

It all boils down to what kind of example you want to set to the non leaders. And before you say leaders can lead without the title again- it is the player with the title of captain which consciously or subconsciously sets the tone for the followers more so than any other leader on the field without said title.

Just like Luke Hodge in the '08 Granny.

[Scully_to_Watts 0]

Have a think about this....

Brad Green off the Half back.

His spoiling with his gloves, gliding across packs like Clint Bizzel and his superb foot skills delivering it out.

Anyone like the idea?

[Jesse Christ 2,884]

Just like Luke Hodge in the '08 Granny.

What happened there I was out of town in 08?

[Jesse Christ 2,884]

Have a think about this....

Brad Green off the Half back.

His spoiling with his gloves, gliding across packs like Clint Bizzel and his superb foot skills delivering it out.

Anyone like the idea?

Is he tall and agile enough to be a spoiler now? I like him forward. Not the worst idea I have heard, however.

But I would hate to have a sooky captain captaining in the backline!

[DemonWA 3,934]

What happened there I was out of town in 08?

Hodge lead the way but Mitchell was the captain

[McQueen 17,864]

What happened there I was out of town in 08?

Probaly easiest to follow this link to a great write up.

The clip of him coughing up blood in the prelim the week beofre is embedded in this page http://www.nbamate.c...dge-is-the-man/ (spewing, it's been removed)

The point i was trying to make is that it is not always the captain who has the most influence over a game. Hodge in my opinion is by far the best Captain going around and if one of our boys can emulate him we'd be well on the way to a flag.

Edited October 13, 2011 by Kick it LONG

[rpfc 28,477]

Hodge lead the way but Mitchell was the captain

Yeah, and look who is now captain...

Titles are titles, as you say, but the still meaningful when those with the title do, or in this case, don't live up to said title.

You look to your captain when things aren't going well and what we say from Brad was awful body language, a dereliction of duties to Moloney, and pathetic messages after awful losses.

The 'aww shucks' grin and nervous joking in the aftermath of 186 was a terrible message, or non-message, to send on the most important day of your captaincy.

Brad has failed and will not be given the honour again.

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You know what...I have no real idea of what is or isnt going on with respect the Green situation. I am going to speculate that ...

Quote says it all. Thanks for awesome post.

[Jaded No More 68,950]

Now he has a year to prove that he has another one in him, otherwise I believe retirement is very near.

[Sir Why You Little 37,046]

Now he has a year to prove that he has another one in him, otherwise I believe retirement is very near.

Absolutely Correct.