Pick 12

[Keepin up with the Joneses 48]

Hmmm pick 12 eh.

Suppose we'll draft either a tall skinny forward who can't kick or a pint sized midfielder who can't handball. But they'll be elite if we just give them 5 years or so to develop, after all they'll just be kids and we all need to exercise patience

if you think I'm pizzed off you'd be on the money

Harsh but extremely fair. You forgot that they will be a bottom age player that will take longer than 5 years.

[daisycutter 28,709]

Harsh but extremely fair. You forgot that they will be a bottom age player that will take longer than 5 years.

Yeah that's what bothers me about Jaeger O'Meara. he can't play till 2013 and he's short for a mid. I don't want a 10 year plan and I think we have overdone the drafting at the expense of trading (be it players or picks). We just seem to be getting younger and younger.

[old dee 23,109]

Hmmm pick 12 eh.

Suppose we'll draft either a tall skinny forward who can't kick or a pint sized midfielder who can't handball. But they'll be elite if we just give them 5 years or so to develop, after all they'll just be kids and we all need to exercise patience

if you think I'm pizzed off you'd be on the money

DC there is a lot more than 2 of us in this band!

Use the draft pick to trade for a seasoned player, anyone who is older than 23 and can get the ball and use it.

How many more skinny choir boys do we need?

[dee-luded 2,958]

The most important thing is to fix what we do have and fix the way the guys play together first. Get that right and we can finish in the 8 regardless of who we pick up. The problem this year wasn't the youth coming through - Tapscott, Blease, Strauss, Nicholson, Howe all made a good mark - but the step backwards the leaders made and the mid range players. The likes of Bartram, Dunn, Petterd, Macdonald, Maric were meant to be holding down a spot in the 22 but clearly weren't. Moloney, Jamar, Rivers, Jones all performed well, Sylvia was poor without being horrible but obviously Green and Davey were disgusting.

It's a bit hard for the 'Fillers' to hold spots when the Obvious player development Is well under way. The young players who are hitting some form, are given spots when they show improvement, at the expense of the 'shorter term options'.

So those Mid range players weren't too bad.

But as you've said, the Leaders of our club were taught Under a 'Soft' football model.

We don't have many blood & guts footy players.

[PeterJames 46]

Yeah that's what bothers me about Jaeger O'Meara. he can't play till 2013 and he's short for a mid. I don't want a 10 year plan and I think we have overdone the drafting at the expense of trading (be it players or picks). We just seem to be getting younger and younger.

Jaeger has played a couple of good games in the WAFL, will be ready to go once he can play. Should serious try everything possible to get him.

[Guest Gareth Keenan]

Yeah that's what bothers me about Jaeger O'Meara. he can't play till 2013 and he's short for a mid. I don't want a 10 year plan and I think we have overdone the drafting at the expense of trading (be it players or picks). We just seem to be getting younger and younger.

This is the short-sighted impatient attitude that annoys me.

You don't want O'Meara because he'll take longer, but what is the alternative?

You'll never be able to trade those picks for a current-day Andrew Swallow or a Brendon Goddard.

They will cost more.

The most you may get would be a Dal Santo or a Daniel Wells.

B grade players, not A (or A grade, not A+ grade, if you like).

But O'Meara in all likelihood could be A grade talent.

What would prefer?

B grade now, or A grade in a couple of years?

We're not exactly at the precipice, fighting for a flag.

[rpfc 27,657]

Yeah that's what bothers me about Jaeger O'Meara. he can't play till 2013 and he's short for a mid. I don't want a 10 year plan and I think we have overdone the drafting at the expense of trading (be it players or picks). We just seem to be getting younger and younger.

There is no 'seem' about it.

I would like us to get some old heads in, I would even trade in our next captain.

Goddard, Cornes, and Thompson.

If Scully leaves we will have some currency, if he stays scratch one of the names off the list. Probably Goddard as he would be unattainable without the comp picks.

Cornes would be the most attainable - a second round pick would get it done IMO. He may even be delisted, but I am not up with the latest news from SA.

Thompson, I am hoping, would look favourably on us if he is looking for a new challenge. But I don't know if possible. He would require Pick 12 most likely, and maybe a set of steak knives...

Goddard would be a tough get. Maybe both priority picks would have to be given, maybe Spencer would have some worth to them.

And if we get these three, we can rookie Fevola - a compromise to the 'Get Fev' camp.

So I would get rid off our first four picks.

But I'm reckless. A risk taker.

And fed up.

[Guest Gareth Keenan]

Interestingly rpfc, I was listening to the triple M pregame coverage in the car, and Warren Tredrea was talking about the possibility of one or both of the Cornes boys going to GWS.

He made the comment that on-field they show leadership, but they're not the type to sit down at training with the young guys and go through tape with them, to help with their development.

In short, they lead on-field, but the rest of the time they're all about themselves.

Doesn't sound like the leadership I'd be hoping for if we were to recruit one of them.

[rpfc 27,657]

Interestingly rpfc, I was listening to the triple M pregame coverage in the car, and Warren Tredrea was talking about the possibility of one or both of the Cornes boys going to GWS.

He made the comment that on-field they show leadership, but they're not the type to sit down at training with the young guys and go through tape with them, to help with their development.

In short, they lead on-field, but the rest of the time they're all about themselves.

Doesn't sound like the leadership I'd be hoping for if we were to recruit one of them.

Maybe, I don't know what is on offer in the market.

But I will take on-field leadership if that is what they give. And I only want Kane.

Let Brad be nice off the field to the boys and let some real onfield leaders show the way when it matters.

[daisycutter 28,709]

This is the short-sighted impatient attitude that annoys me.

You don't want O'Meara because he'll take longer, but what is the alternative?

You'll never be able to trade those picks for a current-day Andrew Swallow or a Brendon Goddard.

They will cost more.

The most you may get would be a Dal Santo or a Daniel Wells.

B grade players, not A (or A grade, not A+ grade, if you like).

But O'Meara in all likelihood could be A grade talent.

What would prefer?

B grade now, or A grade in a couple of years?

We're not exactly at the precipice, fighting for a flag.

I gave TWO reason, age and size. I just said these aspects bother me, I didn't say they rule him out.

I want a BIG bodied midfielder preferably not another 180-183 average build mid

[twist 0]

taken from the bigfooty phantom (early run)

16: Jackson Paine (Sandringham Dragons) 194cm, 87 kg.

Interesting tall with a lot going for him. He's got the height you want in a genuine kpp, and while he's not Jon Patton, he's already looking like developing a strong body. Hands good above his head, particularly one-out, is perfectly capable of ripping apart a weaker opponent once he gets on top. While I'm not sure about his raw pace, for such a big bloke he is very balanced and turns quickly - he lays a lot of tackles, and a kpf who can do that is like gold these days in the age of forward presses - too often the talls just lumber around helplessly and don't contribute much. Works hard, lots of 1%ers. He's also a surprisingly good crumber, from his own marking or from other people's. Very good bloke to have isolated one-out in the goalsquare while the rest of the defense stresses about keeping an eye on Watts. For all his size (and he'll be a monster when he fills out) in my book he's a smarts and finesse player rather than relentless runner who blows his opponents up or a pure strength/speed lead-mark-shoot type, and as such I think he and Watts will complement each other well.

The other string to his bow is his ability to play as a 'gorilla' defender. He was just exceptional there against VC in the pre-champs trial match, and I reckon this aspect of his game is really underestimated. With a bit of experience he could be a genuine dual-position kpp swingman, and there aren't all that many of them going around.

He will be lucky to get drafted even as a Rookie.

[La Dee-vina Comedia 16,534]

We need to add midfielders that can break lines. Players that can run and carry and more importantly hit targets. We need outside speed that can find the footy and hit targets.

This

[old dee 23,109]

There is no 'seem' about it.

I would like us to get some old heads in, I would even trade in our next captain.

Goddard, Cornes, and Thompson.

If Scully leaves we will have some currency, if he stays scratch one of the names off the list. Probably Goddard as he would be unattainable without the comp picks.

Cornes would be the most attainable - a second round pick would get it done IMO. He may even be delisted, but I am not up with the latest news from SA.

Thompson, I am hoping, would look favourably on us if he is looking for a new challenge. But I don't know if possible. He would require Pick 12 most likely, and maybe a set of steak knives...

Goddard would be a tough get. Maybe both priority picks would have to be given, maybe Spencer would have some worth to them.

And if we get these three, we can rookie Fevola - a compromise to the 'Get Fev' camp.

So I would get rid off our first four picks.

But I'm reckless. A risk taker.

And fed up.

Me too rpfc.

And just as fed up.

I am over five plans, I want a one year plan for 2012.

Add some experience and get 11 - 12 wins while some of the choir boys develop.

[Dappa Dan 2,188]

i'll say it again. it's about how you develop your players.

That may or may not be true... One thing's for certain though, MFC are crap at it... so better to get the best talent we can, since we're not going to be able to make the goldsacks/maxwells of this world premiership players.

[Guest Gareth Keenan]

I gave TWO reason, age and size. I just said these aspects bother me, I didn't say they rule him out.

I want a BIG bodied midfielder preferably not another 180-183 average build mid

I see what you're saying, but I'd take a Marc Murphy over a Daniel Jackson.

Obviously that comparison is skewed towards my argument, but it still stands.

[The Chazz 4,077]

There is no 'seem' about it.

I would like us to get some old heads in, I would even trade in our next captain.

Goddard, Cornes, and Thompson.

If Scully leaves we will have some currency, if he stays scratch one of the names off the list. Probably Goddard as he would be unattainable without the comp picks.

Cornes would be the most attainable - a second round pick would get it done IMO. He may even be delisted, but I am not up with the latest news from SA.

Thompson, I am hoping, would look favourably on us if he is looking for a new challenge. But I don't know if possible. He would require Pick 12 most likely, and maybe a set of steak knives...

Goddard would be a tough get. Maybe both priority picks would have to be given, maybe Spencer would have some worth to them.

And if we get these three, we can rookie Fevola - a compromise to the 'Get Fev' camp.

So I would get rid off our first four picks.

But I'm reckless. A risk taker.

And fed up.

I have seen Thompson mentioned a few times, is that Scott Thompson from Adelaide? If so, is that the same guy that we had on our list for a couple of years, and he decided that he was home sick so Adelaide picked him up? Why would he decide that he is willing to move back to Victoria to join the Club that he had an opportunity of being a one-club player with?

Has there been reports that he is wanting a shift to a Melbourne club?

[Little Goffy 12,833]

The dream for me is all about Matthew Buntine.

Flexible def/mid, skills, good user, reads play, can shut down opponent, 187cm.

At pick 12 we would be lucky.

Sam Docherty also likely to be at around the pick 12 mark.

Speedy defender/rebounder, good skills, composed.

Later on, my preference seems to go for guys who have fun names to say.

Mihocek (191cm, def/util)

Raikiwasa (191cm, def/util)

Tipungwuti (171cm speculative late pick)

Plus, Can we get Myles Sewell just to help Casey out? He'd also work his guts out for a chance at AFL level which might wake some others up.

[dee-luded 2,958]

# I'd use our Pick 1 & pick 2 in the draft.

# If Scully wants out to GWS, try to get Gaff in a deal. (I don't think we'll get O'Meara with some rumours astronomical) & we need mids with some meat on them.

# I'd go hammer & tong @ Boak to see if we can dislodge him for a trade, > Jamar or others. Or.. a Dangerfield

# Look at a trade with Davey for ??? Salopek? or other mature mid type.

# I wouldn't mind a deal for a topup small forward like the Saints did with Schneider.

** I'd like to see us busy with rookies, if there's talent around the leagues?

[Hiram Cowfreak 75]

Sumner and Tim Mohr for me, then some funny names later

[dee-luded 2,958]

Sumner and Tim Mohr for me, then some funny names later

Timmy's an interesting one as we have many tall & med tall defenders, to fit into our team & schedule of games, to get them experienced???

[dee-luded 2,958]

I have seen Thompson mentioned a few times, is that Scott Thompson from Adelaide? If so, is that the same guy that we had on our list for a couple of years, and he decided that he was home sick so Adelaide picked him up? Why would he decide that he is willing to move back to Victoria to join the Club that he had an opportunity of being a one-club player with?

Has there been reports that he is wanting a shift to a Melbourne club?

I'd rather Boak, or Dangerfield. Out of the SA boys.

[BLWNBA 378]

Albeit being early I like the sound of Jackson Paine. He's being touted as a 194cm forward who also has the capability of playing in the midfield, seems to be being touted in the same manner as Goodes or Pavlich (in terms of gamestyle and physical attributes.)

I'm not sure if I'd want to use pick 12 on him though, and it seems as though he'll be a second round selection at best.

[Jordie_tackles 354]

Albeit being early I like the sound of Jackson Paine. He's being touted as a 194cm forward who also has the capability of playing in the midfield, seems to be being touted in the same manner as Goodes or Pavlich (in terms of gamestyle and physical attributes.)

I'm not sure if I'd want to use pick 12 on him though, and it seems as though he'll be a second round selection at best.

Bio from the BF Trial Phantom, had us at #16 though

16: Jackson Paine (Sandringham Dragons) 194cm, 87 kg.

Interesting tall with a lot going for him. He's got the height you want in a genuine kpp, and while he's not Jon Patton, he's already looking like developing a strong body. Hands good above his head, particularly one-out, is perfectly capable of ripping apart a weaker opponent once he gets on top. While I'm not sure about his raw pace, for such a big bloke he is very balanced and turns quickly - he lays a lot of tackles, and a kpf who can do that is like gold these days in the age of forward presses - too often the talls just lumber around helplessly and don't contribute much. Works hard, lots of 1%ers. He's also a surprisingly good crumber, from his own marking or from other people's. Very good bloke to have isolated one-out in the goalsquare while the rest of the defense stresses about keeping an eye on Watts. For all his size (and he'll be a monster when he fills out) in my book he's a smarts and finesse player rather than relentless runner who blows his opponents up or a pure strength/speed lead-mark-shoot type, and as such I think he and Watts will complement each other well.

The other string to his bow is his ability to play as a 'gorilla' defender. He was just exceptional there against VC in the pre-champs trial match, and I reckon this aspect of his game is really underestimated. With a bit of experience he could be a genuine dual-position kpp swingman, and there aren't all that many of them going around.

[BLWNBA 378]

Bio from the BF Trial Phantom, had us at #16 though

16: Jackson Paine (Sandringham Dragons) 194cm,

The other string to his bow is his ability to play as a 'gorilla' defender. He was just exceptional there against VC in the pre-champs trial match, and I reckon this aspect of his game is really underestimated. With a bit of experience he could be a genuine dual-position kpp swingman, and there aren't all that many of them going around.

Yeah noticed he'd played down back a fair bit too. A player like this I reckon would fit in really well in forward line, and in turn could help us get our own Buddy-Roughhead combo. The fact that he can play down back only adds to his value as well. I haven't seen him play myself, but I have been pretty taken on what I've read about him. Good-size, pack busting abilities, and been living in Patton's shadow.

But do we thing GWS would over look him?

If we we're after Butcher though and successful I doubt we'd go for him though. Personally I'd much rather seek to draft a mature mid and go after this kid.

[Brayshaw Self 847]

Bio from the BF Trial Phantom, had us at #16 though

16: Jackson Paine (Sandringham Dragons) 194cm, 87 kg.

Interesting tall with a lot going for him. He's got the height you want in a genuine kpp, and while he's not Jon Patton, he's already looking like developing a strong body. Hands good above his head, particularly one-out, is perfectly capable of ripping apart a weaker opponent once he gets on top. While I'm not sure about his raw pace, for such a big bloke he is very balanced and turns quickly - he lays a lot of tackles, and a kpf who can do that is like gold these days in the age of forward presses - too often the talls just lumber around helplessly and don't contribute much. Works hard, lots of 1%ers. He's also a surprisingly good crumber, from his own marking or from other people's. Very good bloke to have isolated one-out in the goalsquare while the rest of the defense stresses about keeping an eye on Watts. For all his size (and he'll be a monster when he fills out) in my book he's a smarts and finesse player rather than relentless runner who blows his opponents up or a pure strength/speed lead-mark-shoot type, and as such I think he and Watts will complement each other well.

The other string to his bow is his ability to play as a 'gorilla' defender. He was just exceptional there against VC in the pre-champs trial match, and I reckon this aspect of his game is really underestimated. With a bit of experience he could be a genuine dual-position kpp swingman, and there aren't all that many of them going around.

Why is he being talked about as a second round pick in this diluted draft though?