Dean Bailey ... I apologize

[Striker475 696]

It's amazing how the team plays when they have external motivation. Like the Adelaide win, t

it show again that the coach can't get them going. i'll wait until Bailey gets the players to play well before i give him a pat on the back.

And if we pull it out of the bag (somehow) this week?

[Dee Fan 3,247]

I think last night's effort was sensational and the endeavour shown by the players was tremendous, I was truly excited by the game but let's get things in to perspective.

1 I don't rate Essendon and think they are hugely overrated

2 We were put under the spotlight and if the players had any pride at all they would do what they did last year

3 We had a couple of good ins as well as some good outs

All in all it was a great night but before we start popping the corks let's see what happens in the next two to three games. If I remember correctly there were a few on here ripping in to the naysayers after the Adelaide game and they quickly retreated the following week. I can understand that some get excited after a win but remember the reverse is the case to others after a humiliating loss.

I hope Bailey is the coach next year but only if he can show he has the capabilities and game plan to win us a flag not because he can get a win or two over a bubble team like Essendon.

[Guest milpod]

Great night for Dean Bailey last night, we now know what these kids are capable of. What we need to learn more about is if they can do it regularly.

And if they can play like that away from the MCG (Adelaide, Perth or the Cattery) Imagine that game style played in front of a hostile interstate crowd.

Bailey still has 12 matches to show his stuff, the jury is still out, but i loved his fist pump last night-He is now a True Demon.

I do hope he coaches beyond this year, these are his boys. He will win flags with these kids if he can get them to believe Full Time.

Come on Bails....."Just Do It".

He was great on SEN this morning, the podcast is worth hunting down.

It was a great interview.Listen carefully at the end,even the panel were impressed.I know i was.

Last night wasn't the best win,it just had an intangible about it.I witnessed so many positives last night.Sure we will be flogged again,probably more then once,before the season is done.But I have HOPE again.And HOPE is what football clubs use as currency,literally.

He has whether through necessity or injury played the kids.Have wax and wane this year re coach.After the most emotive display i've ever seen for/from a coach regards players.I'm for contract extension.That is all the supporters need to see.TRUE PASSION.

Edited June 4, 2011 by milpod

[Diablo Deemon 220]

For all the sack Bailey supporters here is some facts for you I made in another thread.

Friday night we had 1160 games experience at an average of 52.73 games experience.

Gold Coast on Saturday had 1309 games experience at an average 59.5 games experience.

We have been decimated by injury and suspension last week against Carlton

At 637 games experience or an average of 58 games experience. We played Essendon with even less experience this week.

Again I don't know if Bailey is the one to take us to a flag but I can't stand by and listen

to ill informed, baseless and reactionary guff like 'the coach must go' 'blame the coach' nonsense.

We are not Richmond and we are not Essendon supporters we don't eat our own.

While the coach and team cant use injury and suspension as an excuse surely an educated supporter can see

the impact it can have.

Couple more posters around here are yet to pop their heads up and admit they got carried away on the sack Bailey Bandwagon.

More apologising needed

waiting.....

[kallioota 0]

I may not yet be convinced you are the right man to coach the football club beyond 2011, but I liked what I saw from you last night.

When you punched the roof of the dugout in a mixture of both elation and anger, and when you waved that cameraman away and told him to "get fu!%ked", when you hugged Beamer and Jonesy and a few other players on the ground after the win ... I thought ... this is a man who cares about the Melbourne Football Club. I thought ... this is a man who will stand up and fight back when he's pushed around.

Like some other posters, I have questioned your temperament and ability to "fire up" and show some raw emotion and passion throughout your tenure. I believe these qualities are an essential ingredient of success at this level of sport. I won't be doing that anymore. And I'll cop it sweet for having made the accusation.

You showed heart, Dean. You showed ticker. And for that you deserve your shot until the end of the season to earn another contract.

this is a man under pressure that cares that he still has a job next year .

they have come out and said the turn around was from a talk that jim gave.

still a [censored] coach cant wait till next season and l hope with out DEan.

but we have a good run home

[45HG 1,539]

In the second half we had 1048 games experience at 49.9 games apiece.

[Tatu 416]

it is only one week - lets see this effort sustained.

The effort needs to be sustained by the players, not Bailey. Clearly the talent is there, we just don't know if it will turn up every week.

I think we should keep Dean in some sort of roll.

[Guest Artie Bucco]

I fully expect us to NOT maintain this standard.

We may come out and maintain it against Collingwood, but it will drop off soon.

That's what young teams & players do more than anything - they struggle with consistency.

Part of the reason why Trengove & Scully are such marvels.

[Harrisonrules 273]

Couldn't agree more.

Plenty of flogs on this board running very ugly agendas.

A lot based on little to no fact and very poor insight into footy.

Reckon plenty proponents of the sack Bailey get Viney in and other crap ate hook line and sinker the majority of media driven conjecture.

On last nights performance we have a less experienced side than Gold Coast.

So floggo's step up if you can dish it you can take it.

Line up take a number and write your act of contrition.

Don't rush in all at once.....

It's ok to give your opinions. Everybody has different ones. But can you not see that you have said nothing that enlightens, just trash others.

[Range Rover 1,935]

It's ok to give your opinions. Everybody has different ones. But can you not see that you have said nothing that enlightens, just trash others.

+1 Calling people flogs and simpletons (as an earlier poster did) only demeans yourself.

[rpfc 27,646]

But can you not see that you have said nothing that enlightens, just trash others.

Ironically, I think that is the gist of what DD is saying others say about the coach.

Whether you are claiming that he has lost the players, or proliferating the rumour that Bailey will step aside and Viney will be placed as caretaker in a matter of weeks - it's trashing Bailey.

[praha 10,369]

I refer the OP to our 100 point thrashing of Adelaide through the subsequent 40+ point beltings we received for the following three weeks.

[Guest Artie Bucco]

Cudi, I'll refer you to post #34.

It's not really a reflection on the coach.

[TheVoice 33]

I may not yet be convinced you are the right man to coach the football club beyond 2011, but I liked what I saw from you last night.

When you punched the roof of the dugout in a mixture of both elation and anger, and when you waved that cameraman away and told him to "get fu!%ked", when you hugged Beamer and Jonesy and a few other players on the ground after the win ... I thought ... this is a man who cares about the Melbourne Football Club. I thought ... this is a man who will stand up and fight back when he's pushed around.

Like some other posters, I have questioned your temperament and ability to "fire up" and show some raw emotion and passion throughout your tenure. I believe these qualities are an essential ingredient of success at this level of sport. I won't be doing that anymore. And I'll cop it sweet for having made the accusation.

You showed heart, Dean. You showed ticker. And for that you deserve your shot until the end of the season to earn another contract.

Great post.

[mmc 18]

Bailey was good on SEN this morning. Was perhaps a little more animated than usual. Suggested to Dermie that some of the forwards had made good use of the ice bath after the game and when questioned about game plans and pressing, came up with a few examples of times where we'd pressed effectively.

I wonder, and hope, if Bailey and co. are looking to the 'post-press' era and trying to think of the next game plan? I'd welcome any thoughts on what that might be. I think we might have seen glimpses of something that could beat a good press last night - move the ball quickly and preferably by foot, to one-on-one's if necessary, backing our player to be better than his opponent (like Watts' mark in the goal square), and always playing the percentages - punching from behind whether forward or back, kicking long to the boundary line when options have dried up, hard running for four quarters...

The more I think about it, the more I wonder whether or not I have seen a better footy team than the Essendon 2000 team. They were rough bastards, they led and ran like maniacs, and their position kicking and marking in front of their faces at speed was great.

Clean up the skills, get some games into the younger players and we'll squash the press.

Good point- all the successful sides of the better part of the last decade have thought ahead- Hawthorn for one were criticised no end for their game plan in 2007, but that worked out alright for them. people also forget that last year, midway through the season, COLLINGWOOD LOST TO BRISBANE IN BRISBANE. Mike Sheehan wrote numerous articles about how Collingwood's style of play was 'boring' and 'ineffective'- it worked out alright for them. Bomber thompson nearly lost his job at Geelong (in 2005?), and ross lyon's first year as coach coincided with the saints missing the finals for the first time in four years.

we are coming back from a lot further than these teams, so its natural that Bailey has been cut some slack over the past three years. my point is that a coach will establish a game plan, hopefully one that is directed to the 'post-press' era, and we will be criticised for carrying it out ineffectually initially (as we are seeing now). But given the state of our list, only time will tell if Bailey's grand plan will work or not. admittedly, Matty Knights' grand plan didn't work out so well for him, showing that there's a fine line...

[daisycutter 28,692]

All Bailey needs to do is extract consistency of effort from players and to give the top 8 a nudge or even scrape in and he will be re-appointed.

I don't think anybody would doubt that statement

Thats a reasonable yardstick for the rest of the season.....lets wait and see

[tonatopia 278]

I may not yet be convinced you are the right man to coach the football club beyond 2011, but I liked what I saw from you last night.

When you punched the roof of the dugout in a mixture of both elation and anger, and when you waved that cameraman away and told him to "get fu!%ked", when you hugged Beamer and Jonesy and a few other players on the ground after the win ... I thought ... this is a man who cares about the Melbourne Football Club. I thought ... this is a man who will stand up and fight back when he's pushed around.

Like some other posters, I have questioned your temperament and ability to "fire up" and show some raw emotion and passion throughout your tenure. I believe these qualities are an essential ingredient of success at this level of sport. I won't be doing that anymore. And I'll cop it sweet for having made the accusation.

You showed heart, Dean. You showed ticker. And for that you deserve your shot until the end of the season to earn another contract.

I too, am not sure he can deliver a premiership, but if we can put in a good performance against the pies, i will support him as coach for season 2011. If we make finals, he deserves a shot at 2012.

Lets see.........

[tonatopia 278]

Couldn't agree more.

Plenty of flogs on this board running very ugly agendas.

A lot based on little to no fact and very poor insight into footy.

Reckon plenty proponents of the sack Bailey get Viney in and other crap ate hook line and sinker the majority of media driven conjecture.

On last nights performance we have a less experienced side than Gold Coast.

So floggo's step up if you can dish it you can take it.

Line up take a number and write your act of contrition.

Don't rush in all at once.....

[/quote

Remember, against carlton, he had a disfunctional forward structure and a weak game strategy. Howe should have been playing 3 weeks ago, bate and newton should not have played against the blues, and worst of all, it was the fourth insipid performance of the season.

I think bailey is more of a believer than a general. That is a good quality for development, but it wont win a flag.

[The Big Ticket 94]

Remember, against carlton, he had a disfunctional forward structure and a weak game strategy. Howe should have been playing 3 weeks ago, bate and newton should not have played against the blues, and worst of all, it was the fourth insipid performance of the season.

I think bailey is more of a believer than a general. That is a good quality for development, but it wont win a flag.

Now you're just digging up silly reasons of why Bailey isn't the coach for us, none of which have any merit whatsoever

[Sir Why You Little 34,952]

He has 12 matches to decide which one he really is.

Edited June 5, 2011 by why you little

[Crompton's the man 635]

He has 12 matches to decide which one he really is.

Twelve matches true

But isn't it interesting how he suddenly looks a better coach when he gets some good players back into the team.

It's almost enough to make you think, isn't it?

[dee-luded 2,958]

It's amazing how the team plays when they have external motivation. Like the Adelaide win, t

it show again that the coach can't get them going. i'll wait until Bailey gets the players to play well before i give him a pat on the back.

It doesn't show anything of the sort!

It does show that he's determined to play the kids, and has waited patiently for the pressure,,,, to make them draw their own 'line in the sand', as a Baby Demons group.

Edited June 5, 2011 by dee-luded

[Sir Why You Little 34,952]

Twelve matches true

But isn't it interesting how he suddenly looks a better coach when he gets some good players back into the team.

It's almost enough to make you think, isn't it?

Sure, but Footy is a transient...your footing is never solid as far as available cattle.

I actually want Dean to be there next year, But he has to get them prepared right, we can all see what those kids can do....now Dean must enhance and control it.

I reckon that fist pump on the siren will be something the players will really enjoy.