GWS have already stated they will definately be bidding for Viney.

I dont think he is in the best 2, but they are bidding, its on record.

and of course we can take ANYTHiNG they say as gospel . Yep...for sure

GWS have already stated they will definately be bidding for Viney.

I dont think he is in the best 2, but they are bidding, its on record.

and of course we can take ANYTHiNG they say as gospel . Yep...for sure

GWS have already stated they will definately be bidding for Viney.

sauce?

GWS have already stated they will definately be bidding for Viney.

I dont think he is in the best 2, but they are bidding, its on record.

On record? Signed off on a lawfully binded contract?

The more I read into it, the less I'm convinced anyone else is bidding. These uber-professional organisations don't have time for petty mind games I would've thought.

I'm now more interested in these secret deals that a few posters have been talking about. Would be great to have a prior agreement to trade our pick 3 to the GWS for the first pick in the mini draft, allowing us to get Viney with our 2nd round.

Can someone, perhaps Jose, Old55 or RP can tell me what the field of ELIGIBLE 17 year olds will be like, and where they would rate in the draft proper. I can be convinced...

I'm now more interested in these secret deals that a few posters have been talking about. Would be great to have a prior agreement to trade our pick 3 to the GWS for the first pick in the mini draft, allowing us to get Viney with our 2nd round.

Can someone, perhaps Jose, Old55 or RP can tell me what the field of ELIGIBLE 17 year olds will be like, and where they would rate in the draft proper. I can be convinced...

Secret deals, what a load of rubbish, we are all talking about what ifs, here is another what if, what if our team continues its current form wins 5-6 more games and we finish 13th/14th then we don't have to wqorry about giving up pick three. Jack Viney will be a Demon next year

Im actually starting to think that neither GWS or GC will seriously bid for him with their prized 1st and 2nd picks. I would think there are more tempting offering for both of these clubs. Id be starting to think that maybe a club other than these two maybe tempted depending upon their needs to possibly try to grab him as some sort of bargain in the 5-10 range but then we could exercise pick 12. Leaving 3 and 4 free to use as desired elsewhere. This might possibly compromise some folks thinking in terms of Boak.

The more i think about it...some sort of deal involving pick 3 seems likely. I dont think we will be any worse of for it, it might just secure most of what we want out of this draft. Keep in mind I doubt we will get everythig we're plannnig on , but then how oftern do you get it.

In a prefect Demon world we would get Jack for 23. I just cant see the gods ( or devils ) aligning to allow such a cushy ride.

With still 10 games to go and a Demons side appearing to play with more cohesion and understanding of the game plan I can see us catching up to both Port and the Bulldogs. The Bulldogs do not play GWS or GC again nor Melb or Port so they are playing only those teams ahead of them on the ladder at the moment. And they only have one genuine "Home" game from now till the end of the season - againist Sydney at Etihad - all other home games against teams which play regularly at Etihad.

As for Port, it doesn't play Gold Coast again and plays these teams that Melb does not play again - Geelong, Essendon, Hawthorn, West Coast.

And isn't Port missing its whole leadership group at the moment? If we beat them in Darwin in three weeks time the No 3 Pick is no certainty.

Im actually starting to think that neither GWS or GC will seriously bid for him with their prized 1st and 2nd picks. I would think there are more tempting offering for both of these clubs. Id be starting to think that maybe a club other than these two maybe tempted depending upon their needs to possibly try to grab him as some sort of bargain in the 5-10 range but then we could exercise pick 12. Leaving 3 and 4 free to use as desired elsewhere. This might possibly compromise some folks thinking in terms of Boak.

The more i think about it...some sort of deal involving pick 3 seems likely. I dont think we will be any worse of for it, it might just secure most of what we want out of this draft. Keep in mind I doubt we will get everythig we're plannnig on , but then how oftern do you get it.

In a prefect Demon world we would get Jack for 23. I just cant see the gods ( or devils ) aligning to allow such a cushy ride.

12 or whatever pick it is will be a compo pick and not use for F & S, if another club bids he falls through to our next draft pick which will be a second round pick.

GWS have already stated they will definately be bidding for Viney.

I dont think he is in the best 2, but they are bidding, its on record.

They may have said this to squeeze a deal out of us. That's exactly what I would do if I was them - tell everyone "we'll bid for Viney" and then do a secret deal with MFC to not bid - that guarantees them a benefit they wouldn't otherwise get.

I hope we take a 'Wines' & a 'Hogan' (U-17 thru GWS), or 'Stringer' ( who I can see as a tall Mid as well as forward), with our 1st & comp picks.

Wines, sounds to me like the "Craig Bradley" type we've been needing for years at this club.

Stringer sounds like a "Koutifides" type, with a bit more strength forward.

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Type to show some balls Dees, & call they're bluff.

GCSuns will surely take Whitfield, Stringer or Wines.

Apparently GWS giants needs the ruck. Brodie Grundy, or they will also go for a Wines or Stringer.

IF by chance they GWS/GCS did nominate Viney, then they would have to wear it & we get to draft Wines, Stringer, an O'Rourke @ around 13, and a Matthew Haynes or a Sam Colquhoun with our 2nd Rnder...

# If neither clubs call his name, we get him @ our 2nd Rnd Pick.

So Melbourne are bluffing ?

Yes.

Secret deals, what a load of rubbish, we are all talking about what ifs, here is another what if, what if our team continues its current form wins 5-6 more games and we finish 13th/14th then we don't have to wqorry about giving up pick three. Jack Viney will be a Demon next year

I'll give you another 'what if' - what if we win 5-6 more games but PA win 3-4 more games and WB and BL win 2-3 more games?

We will finish 16th...

I'll give you another 'what if' - what if we win 5-6 more games but PA win 3-4 more games and WB and BL win 2-3 more games?

We will finish 16th...

Yep we will and Jack Viney will still be a Demon next year

Yes.

Speculation.

On what you saw today ?

Good grief man. Even Wines speaks in awe of Viney. And Viney was clearly rusty coming off a 6 week break from a broken jaw. Viney is exactly the inside quality mid we need. Based on their history you'd choose Viney.

I absolutely love Toumpas' class, movement and poise. Being the SA captain he'd add to the quality type of people we're developing. And there's no doubt that Garlett is really special. I don't know where he fits in from a draft perspective, but he looks better than Yarran who went at 6.

I have absolutely no doubt we'll pick Viney and never regret doing so.

With still 10 games to go and a Demons side appearing to play with more cohesion and understanding of the game plan I can see us catching up to both Port and the Bulldogs. The Bulldogs do not play GWS or GC again nor Melb or Port so they are playing only those teams ahead of them on the ladder at the moment. And they only have one genuine "Home" game from now till the end of the season - againist Sydney at Etihad - all other home games against teams which play regularly at Etihad.

As for Port, it doesn't play Gold Coast again and plays these teams that Melb does not play again - Geelong, Essendon, Hawthorn, West Coast.

And isn't Port missing its whole leadership group at the moment? If we beat them in Darwin in three weeks time the No 3 Pick is no certainty.

Spot on. There is big chance we will finish above 16th i reckon

GWS will not take the risk if MFC pick up the phone.

T.Viney: Hi kevin you little toss bag Todd viney here Jack's dad.

K.Sheedy:OHHH hi Todd how can i help.

T.Viney: I am just calling to tell you i will break both your legs and jam that big ugly head were it dont fit if you bid on my boy.

K.Sheedy: UMMM im sorry todd gubby said it not me.

T.Viney:Fix it Kevin. Now.

K.Sheedy:Sorry for the trouble todd it will not happen again.

T.Viney: Good and send my love to Tom BEEP BEEP.

Edited June 30, 201213 yr by BIG JIM

It's all guesswork and hot air.

Seems pretty certain we'll pick Viney wherever we have to. Hard to get something for nothing. Second round is not what he's worth, so I'd be happy to have a potentially great player who is just what we need and is super keen to join us.

I'd rather that than another kid who leaves at the first chance when a lot of $ is put in front of them.

To paraphrase Paul Keating, "Never stand between a greedy high draft pick and a big bag of money".

If there is better at 3/4 and there is, we should take them, its plain and simple.

The only situation we dont benefit in, is if we take Viney at 3, so we take him second round.

If not, we let Kev have him and we get Whitfield/Grundy or Thoumpas.

If there is better at 3/4 and there is, we should take them, its plain and simple.

The only situation we dont benefit in, is if we take Viney at 3, so we take him second round.

If not, we let Kev have him and we get Whitfield/Grundy or Thoumpas.

What if 6 weeks from the draft - we see him as a top 3 prospect?

What I want to know is whether it is absolutely iron-clad that if GWS bid for JV first round and we say we'd take someone else first round and JV second round, that it's then compulsory for GWS to take him with their first pick? Is there any wriggle room at all for the AFL to allow GWS to bid for him, then take someone else with their first round and then JV with their second round pick?

Is there any risk at all that Vlad could wave it through retrospectively as another "stroke of genius"? Or is that a bridge too far even for Vlad?

Has it ever happened before that a FS pick has been successfully "outbid" by another club?

Whatever happens, I think Viney will be a Dee with our 2nd round pick.

GWS & GC arnt going to risk bidding there picks. They will try and get something out of us though.

GC and GWS only have 1 first round pick? Correct me if I'm wrong, because I'm pretty sure I am but why would they take him away from us when they could be missing out on a much better player in terms of what the club needs! Baffles me this bidding, its all foxing, plain and simply foxing

Whatever happens, I think Viney will be a Dee with our 2nd round pick.

GWS & GC arnt going to risk bidding there picks. They will try and get something out of us though.

I don't trust Sheedy 'jd'. He knows how to hold a grudge . He will want something and may want to do some sort of backroom deal . GC are possibly not a great concern .

This is assuming we finish 16th , of course . That may not happen but it's the most likely scenario .

Edited June 30, 201213 yr by Macca