Jack is exactly what we need over the next few years (and beyond) - hard at the contest, strong bodied, great endurance, good developing skills and leadership potential.

Why the hell would we risk that on some sort of bluff calling game? Let's get real.

We WILL take him with our first pick if another club below us bids. Plain and simple.

If we 2nd last and GWS nominate Viney then we will need to decide between the 2

If we finish last, we can have both......

If we finish last, we can have both......

Well that's not gonna happen...

Not sure if we need him, but we are sure as hell going to sign him, regardless of how the cards may fall.

Viney is just another guy on the end of the shovel.

What we really need is about three wheelbarrows, players that can receive from Jones, Mckenzie,Viney and the other battlers.

Players that can run and carry with pace, mark overhead, hit the scoreboard, hit targets with both feet, from a distance, a bit of midfield height would be helpful as well.

Edited June 21, 201213 yr by bluey

When lamenting our woes my Brother recently asked me, "When was the last gun midfielder we had ?". I said, "It would have to be Todd Viney, who made our Team of the Century". He replied, "FFS, we're just about to draft his Son". "Yes, it's been a while".

I note that some are saying that we call the other minnows bluff. How about we just accept that we're going to draft a very highly rated progeny that may just be the best mid we've had in a while ? Lord knows he won't go astray.

When lamenting our woes my Brother recently asked me, "When was the last gun midfielder we had ?". I said, "It would have to be Todd Viney, who made our Team of the Century". He replied, "FFS, we're just about to draft his Son". "Yes, it's been a while".

I note that some are saying that we call the other minnows bluff. How about we just accept that we're going to draft a very highly rated progeny that may just be the best mid we've had in a while ? Lord knows he won't go astray.

Didn't Woey win a brownlow?

Didn't Woey win a brownlow?

Yeah, so what ?

Didn't Woey win a brownlow?

Woewodin had a good couple of years & an outstanding year where he won the Brownlow. A gun mid he weren't.

Yeah, so what ?

In my opinion, he was a gun in our midfield in that year. He won the league B&F.

That's what.

In my opinion, he was a gun in our midfield in that year. He won the league B&F.

That's what.

He played about 75 decent games and was a battler by the time he was 27.

Setting the "gun" bar that low is part of the reason we've been wading in mediocrity for 3 generations.

He played about 75 decent games and was a battler by the time he was 27.

Setting the "gun" bar that low is part of the reason we've been wading in mediocrity for 3 generations.

Maybe we should all lower our expectations then.

In my opinion, he was a gun in our midfield in that year. He won the league B&F.

That's what.

One year, though. It'd be nice to have a midfielder that was "a gun", rather than "a gun once".

When lamenting our woes my Brother recently asked me, "When was the last gun midfielder we had ?". I said, "It would have to be Todd Viney, who made our Team of the Century". He replied, "FFS, we're just about to draft his Son". "Yes, it's been a while".

I note that some are saying that we call the other minnows bluff. How about we just accept that we're going to draft a very highly rated progeny that may just be the best mid we've had in a while ? Lord knows he won't go astray.

Todd was a really good player, but he wasn't "a gun". He was on the cusp of B grade and A grade. Hard at it, yes. Leader? Absolutely. But his kicking would often let him down, which prevented him from being a star. I'd go as far as saying we haven't had a gun mid in my life-time (I'm 25 and wasn't old enough to see Robbie Flower play). If Jack's kicking is any better than his dad's, he might go the distance.

He's back:-

Viney back after busted jaw

Grimes reminds me of woey

Grimes reminds me of woey

Not me. Completetly different.

Todd was a really good player, but he wasn't "a gun". He was on the cusp of B grade and A grade. Hard at it, yes. Leader? Absolutely. But his kicking would often let him down, which prevented him from being a star. I'd go as far as saying we haven't had a gun mid in my life-time (I'm 25 and wasn't old enough to see Robbie Flower play). If Jack's kicking is any better than his dad's, he might go the distance.

I tend to agree with you Adam, but considering he won two B&F's, made All Australian, and was named in Melbourne's Team of the Century, which had access to a dozen premiership teams I was happy to give him the nod. But I wouldn't argue against those that say he falls short, as I have some sympathy with that view.

Yeah, terrific CV. A premiership would have helped his cause. Loved him as a player though, except his kicking.

Tingay would have been up there if he hadn't accidentally glassed himself

Todd was a really good player, but he wasn't "a gun". He was on the cusp of B grade and A grade. Hard at it, yes. Leader? Absolutely. But his kicking would often let him down, which prevented him from being a star. I'd go as far as saying we haven't had a gun mid in my life-time (I'm 25 and wasn't old enough to see Robbie Flower play). If Jack's kicking is any better than his dad's, he might go the distance.

I reckon Todd's kicking improved a lot as his career went on

anyone know how viney went today?

The last 'gun' mid we had was Travis Johnstone. Regardless of his fading in and out of games he was amazing, and was one who I used to come to the footy to watch as a 7/8/9/10 year old. He was a true gun but was lazy, if he had the work ethic he cudda become one of the greats of the club.....but we all know what happened here.

Woey wasn't really a gun. Even though he won a Brownlow he is much like Adam Cooney...HOW???

Viney has all of the attributes and with the potential talent in this draft pool looks like, if we get it right (TOUCH WOOD), we will have multiple 'gun' mids!

I don't think Travis Johnstone was a A grade midfielder. He had the tools but didn't have the work ethic IMO.

Trapper's best was as good as you'll ever see.

When he was on, he was on. A rare occurrence unfortunately.

Not sure why people are worrying about Jack, he's a definite upgrade on McKenzie and these types.

Travis Johnstone is still unarguably the best midfielder to play for our club in my lifetime. He's underrated by Melbourne supporters who are bitter he didn't live up to what they hoped for, but also shows the lack of superstars we've had at the club in the last few decades.