Jamar and Rivers gone

[Whispering_Jack 28,009]

Firstly, let me say that I don't believe the rumour although it could be based on some of the facts that have already been speculated on in various parts of the media.

Secondly, if we do get rid of a ruckman then the news is that apparently, Mumford of Geelong is out of contract and the Cats have salary cap problems. They may be willing to do a trade.

There, you can add that to the rumour file!

[titan_uranus 22,501]

Port will be getting pick 9 from Hawthorn for Burgoyne, and are desperate for a ruckman. I definitely think they'll trade that pick on in order to acquire one.

That's assuming the Burgoyne deal goes ahead. That's not guaranteed.

The overall situation, if the Everitt deal goes ahead as well, would be:

In: Everitt, Westhoff

Out: Rivers, Jamar

Upgrade pick 18 to pick 9

Whether you like that or not depends how highly you value Rivers and Jamar. Personally we'd lose out of this. I rate Rivers very highly, and Jamar was beginning to show a bit, and Westhoff is a dud.

[WonnaJurah 5]

That's assuming the Burgoyne deal goes ahead. That's not guaranteed.

The overall situation, if the Everitt deal goes ahead as well, would be:

In: Everitt, Westhoff

Out: Rivers, Jamar

Upgrade pick 18 to pick 9

Whether you like that or not depends how highly you value Rivers and Jamar. Personally we'd lose out of this. I rate Rivers very highly, and Jamar was beginning to show a bit, and Westhoff is a dud.

Which Westhoff is Justin?

[The Backyard Charizard 1,178]

Justin is the older one.....

The skinny lookin' geezer who never seems to shave properly.....

[Dannyz 2,319]

Trade Tracker isn't secretly Yze_Magic is it?

[WonnaJurah 5]

Justin is the older one.....

The skinny lookin' geezer who never seems to shave properly.....

He was good in 1st year,cant remember seeing him much this year

[Dannyz 2,319]

Trade Tracker isn't secretly Yze_Magic is it?

[The Backyard Charizard 1,178]

Played 50 games for Port....

Has kicked 76 goals

Had a pretty big first year in 2007.... Where he played 16 games and kicked 34 goals.....

But I still think this is not a good deal for Melbourne..... Unless Rivers is not as highly required/respected as I am made to be aware....

Port can keep their cult figure "The Hoff"

[frawley for captain 0]

this would actually be ok with me.

Pick 9 and 11!

That would be Talia (replace rivers)

Butcher/Panos, key forward

Everitt is pretty good for pick 18 and westhoff can play ruck, 199cm

[Tatu 416]

I will only say this once.

Jamar and Rivers are off to Port Adelaide.

In return pick 9 and Justin Westhoff, you can expect an annoucement as soon as tonight or tomorrow morning. This is locked.

I hear Everitt is coming to Melbourne for pick 18 which looks certain to happen but I can't comfirm this one.

would prefer to keep Rivers, than obtain Westhoff.

[Guest Digga]

No idea if this is true or not.

Lets say some how it is.

Getting pick 9 is fantastic.

18 if sort of useless anyone as there are standouts.

Lets not forget with both these players we get 5 years or so on each player to improve them to whay rivers and jamar were and we get pick 9.

But who knows it could be all crap.

would prefer to keep Rivers, than obtain Westhoff.

Bad luck deals can't be lob-sided just for us.

Edited October 3, 2009 by Digga

[The Backyard Charizard 1,178]

No idea if this is true or not.

Lets say some how it is.

Getting pick 9 is fantastic.

18 if sort of useless anyone as there are standouts.

Lets not forget with both these players we get 5 years or so on each player to improve them to whay rivers and jamar were and we get pick 9.

But who knows it could be all crap.

Like your english?? Joke

[Al`s DEMONS 0]

I'll wait for official confirmation before I take it from a first poster.....no offence mate

remember the fat cat

[hiredgoon 0]

this would actually be ok with me.

Pick 9 and 11!

That would be Talia (replace rivers)

Butcher/Panos, key forward

Everitt is pretty good for pick 18 and westhoff can play ruck, 199cm

I don't understand the theory behind replacing Rivers with Talia being a good thing. Rivers is a near superstar getting back to form and we get rid of him for an unproven kid? Bad trade if true.

[The Backyard Charizard 1,178]

I find it hard to believe that an announcement would be made on a Sat night or Sunday..... Doesn't this strike anyone as a strange time to announce something??

"you can expect an annoucement as soon as tonight or tomorrow morning. This is locked."

[leucopogon 1,468]

I don't think this is true. If it is though, I think it would be madness. As another poster (forget who) posted on another thread, what's the point of just collecting draft picks at the expense of our few mid-20's players with a bit of AFL experience under their belts? The kids are going to need a few older heads in the 22 to lead them into the fray and help them develop into the future leaders of the club. I see no point whatsoever in this trade.

Remember that draft picks below about pick 5 are pretty hit and miss. Anyone remember Nick Smith, wasn't he a top 20 pick, and Lamb?

Hang onto Rivers I say, he's the defense captain of MFC going forward I reckon.

Westhoff is basically the same build as Jurrah only nowhere near as exciting. He and pick 9 is too much of a gamble for these two Demons.

[frawley for captain 0]

I don't understand the theory behind replacing Rivers with Talia being a good thing. Rivers is a near superstar getting back to form and we get rid of him for an unproven kid? Bad trade if true.

i'd hardly call Rivers a superstar, in my opinion he is fourth in line behind Frawley, Garland and Warnock.

Talia is the u18 AA CHB

[Rogue 585]

Where do I sign?

Indeed.

Jamar for 8 or 9 is very fair, although we'd then want to find a mature ruck somewhere.

I think Rivers is over-rated atm and I thought Westhoff was promising, although I haven't seen much of him others say he's not much good.

isnt Andrejs Everitt supposed to be a highly rated young ruckman? wouldnt he be handy? or is he overrated? i dont know much about him

According to an article I read, Everitt pinch-hit in the ruck for one game and this has helped his prospects with other Clubs.

I thought he was a tall-but-not-KP defender. In that case we might feel Rivers has less value to us than he otherwise might.

[cooko 124]

i would prefer to hold onto rivers and Jamar

If we ditch Jamar we will have to deal with PJ in the team and i am over that unless we are tanking..

..rivers is a gun.. our back line is becoming the best it has been in a long time.. we need to keep rivers as the other tall with warnock..it doesnt make sense getting rid of him when he is becoming good

plus we keep trading away players.. what message does that send to our team? no wonder davey was so keen on a 4 year deal.. if we are ditching anyone over the age of 25 id be worried too!!

[Mono 454]

Trade Tracker isn't secretly Yze_Magic is it?

Could be. But Bruce isn't part of the trade.

[LITTLE STINGA 1]

To good to be true. Rivers hasn't had a kick in years, is slow and injury prone and clearly the most over rated player on Demonland and Jamar who even though he was more promising this year he still rarely gets out on the park and has done nothing his entire career. I would do that trade just for pick 9 Westoff would just be a sweetener. I don't rate him but he averages about a goal and a half a game so he's worth another chance. Play Martin where he should be at CHB and if we can get Mumford problem solved and we suddenly have 4 picks in the top 11 I would definately like that.

[Mono 454]

..... and if we can get Mumford problem solved and we suddenly have 4 picks in the top 11 I would definately like that.

Cats more likely to keep Mumford and ditch Blake (who I wouldn't touch with a barge pole).

[Supermercado 2,617]

Last year there were similar posts going around saying how it was confirmed that we're agreed a deal for the big Setant, and yet there he was in the pre-season kicking his Carlton teammate in the plums.

Seeing the McLean rumour a day early and it turning out to be true was the first time ever I've seen something so wild speculated about on the internet before coming true.

[The Backyard Charizard 1,178]

Cats more likely to keep Mumford and ditch Blake (who I wouldn't touch with a barge pole).

Agree 100%

The Cats are a bit [censored] off at Blake for how he handled himself after the GF win.... His comments regarding Steven King etc...

And Bomber Thompson has openly said that they are looking forward to The Mummy continuing to develop..... They rate him pretty highly down there...

[The Backyard Charizard 1,178]

Trade tracker is posting as we speak.... Maybe he has some more outlandish statements?