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It just may be as simple as MOVING ON or changing our forward line Coach. I have posted this idea about SIX times in this season and I can't recall any support . Ridiculous ! If you need to change something look at all the factors. Our forward line is a mess and partly the way they are trained obviously and also our shanking of the ball affects our accuracy. All those shots that went out of bounds on the last quarter were poor attempts because the player was not directly facing the goals when kicking or he didn't try an snapshot style of kick at goals to give the ball a Chance. Sutrky all the Coaches must know this. Why don't they get Garry Lyon David Neitz and David Schwarz in for a think tank snd a hard truth ideas session and come up with a strategy. The next thing is to follow up with draft snd trade selections for finishers who have excellent skills to maximise our huge no if forward entries that are just wasted. We are too spendthrift with our quantity over quality attitude. Finally a personal plea to Greg Stafford PLEASE RESIGN ASAP and save our dynasty hopes. You must be sick of this mess anyway. .

Stafford needs to be moved on and this is about the third time I have said in this forum. New forward ideas needed and yes a couple of classy finishers.

Here here Another appalling attacking effort that did every thing to ensure we lost the game. poor connection poor forward effort in no isolation and ghastly attempts at passing to a leading pass. Also multiple times we crashed into each other and lost the ball. Enough poor set goal kicks to ensure we didn't kick enough goals. Every time we did something good one or two players spoilt our efforts by committing changers. A game we should have won yet we didn't play well enough and that's probably why we didn't ultimately win.

That's quite obvious with your c..p selections. Please go back drinking and don't embarrass yourself with such ridiculous selections with not an ounce of common sense or footy logic.

Had had more injuries than most in his last 2 years and lucky not to be outed by the MRO a few times. Would put him on a games played base contest with bonuses for 3 years and tske a chance. Or pay $800 per year for 3 and upset all and sundry.

3rd Forward is Fritta's to lose He May be 4,5 or6 depending upon where Kossie fits!!

He can if he comes stop the ridiculous habit of Kossie flying for impossibles or unrealtistics!! Goody can impose that on Kossie and he can kick 50 instead of 40 per season!!

Laurie ( although out nearly all first year injured) has taken 2 years and about a dozen VFL and 2 AFL games to mature and I am genuinely excited about his potential. (Think Sam Mitchell style) ie not fast but clean and good on both sides of his body. Will be very hand today if subbed early enough I hope!). Nearly 2 seasons slower than Judd but who cares if they are given a chance to make it now under our system. MJ could be same. Doubt whether we can give all players 6 years like Maxy but thank g.d we did. A Roos/Goodwin win and TJ and Lammie so far credit for Bill L.!!

And never seen MJ play in the flesh!!!

Good point DD and for what it's worth I am in the Picket Fence camp on MJ. He will be a very very good player for us in the future. Just give him time as my earlier post suggests.

Hawkins was a diff type yes but we were a basket case on 09,10, 11 thru to 2015. He didn't breakout really until the 2011 GFinal last quarter and still kicked badly that day as Stevie J got a handpass goal from Tommy in the early stages of that last term to almost seal the Pies fate. MJ May never be a brute but as was mentioned Josh Kennedy is his prototype and never stopped him! He even should have been rubbed out about 3 times and got lucky ( Once vs us in Perth diff rules over there!!! ).

Solved play Laurie who will be perfect as the sub in these conditions. Tmac JVR Fritta Gawny Trac all good in the air and ground. Plus all the smalls and mids up forward and Centre. we have almost over anslysed for experts. Let's leave it to the amateurs like Goody and his six pack!!!

If you read my text I also referred to rain in addition!!'

Agree Grumpy if we had the GF team we would be a bit taller and prob too tall. Happy with Juddy Chin Hunter and JVR. Providing the three small/ mediums dot do a Kossie and fly unrealistically ( not one mark yet I can remember since he started his attempts at MOTC ) Century) is he due tonight? Happy if Goody bans him trying. Much better at ground level and JVR and Jacko about even. If JVR can clunk more then 2 he will have scored 3 goals probably!!! Advantage us !!!

Won't they ?

Think they were still talking about the effects also of rain mate. Strong westerlies will prob bring the rain quicker.!!!

I think you are overestimating the Lever influence. Sure Jake is the No 1 King down back with plenty of help from Maysie. But To say he he has the same influence in the workings and strategy onfield in our Forward line is overstating his role. And that is a good thing. It doesn't make sense that Jake is the Captain of our forward line. I regard Jake as one of our best players and leaders and ge may be our next Captain after Gawny. He does a fine job down back and that's enough to ensure control there. Great that he is with us another 4 years and let's go out and beat those Pies on Thursday.

We also have to remember every recruit is different. Just as about 90% of D/Landers were ready to throw Bailey Laurie on the scrap heap about a month ago he has looked in about 3/4 games ( some D/Lers we're vocal on his being given the promotion saying how did it happen) small sample but very effective and looking comfortable and up to the AFL standard. Another slow developer was Chin but ha has save for a game or two looked very much an AFL player. We are a little, some a lot too often writing off players and it has proven that our steady as she goes can produce AFL players. And the Judd McVees are more a rarity from the lower parts of the draft. What a beauty he is. Naturally we expect our high draft picks to mature quicker and that is fair enough. Rjay has 2 knocks on Jeffo both only points in my opinion not reasons he hasn't the skill to make the grade. One is that he is introverted. That may be holding him back in his first year but next year he will have another 5plus kg on his frame and will no longer be the "baby" in the group That Will be the 2023 Draftees and he will also be in pushed from under by wanting to develop to a higher level than the newcomers. It's a mental thing. If he thinks about his game as Picket Fence says he does I will back him to be more out going and noticedin 2024. The fact that he was selected on a "needs basis" and for this same reason James Cook was also and looking at him he was introverted. He was a total failure as a CHF/FF recruit so MJ has the same two reasons for failure as Cook. No mention of the fact that we were a basket case in Cook's years and refer to the last 7/8 years of very successful drafting and trading so let's back JT and Lambie on their record plus our development program has been high class since the same period. Also Casey has developed into a reliable and consistent base for our list I the same period with the likeness in game style etc. the same as for our AFL heroes. Nothing is a given but most would agree that MJ has shown at times his undoubted class and skill and this is a great base to build a career upon and Avery good reason he was a No15 First Round Draft pick. That he is a boy/ man at our footy Club going through a first year is similar to first year at High School after being the big boy or kahuna at State School. Perhaps Fritta or Tmac could take him on as a sort of a project to work with him from pre season on and fast track his ability and game smarts etc. Let us remember Juddy smf more recently Bill Laurie and that breakout lamp in the dark sensational 2015 Cattery breakout game from Maxy. MJ is not near that yet but maybe in the scond half of 2024 he will play that breakout and be on his way then in 2025 he joins JVR in the big time regularly and our forward setup is as Goody JT and well over a quarter of a million Dees fans are salivating about now. It just takes patience and trust plus development and time. We gave Sam Weideman 4 years after his 2018 breakout and showed patience but it didn't work but Chin Tmac Sparrow and Laurie are proof that a little time especially for key position forwards is worthwhile and the rewards are definitely there. T. Hawkins says Hi!

Well BBO why did you ask the question when 95% of football followers know what the figures on attendances are?

Laurie May get a run but will surely be in the 23 on his form last Sunday.

If it's Joel Smith he has already got a week off as he is prob not going to play with Casey unless they drop him. Salem's last quarter and a half was good and he should be kept in the team IMO.

Welcome Back Luci hope your holiday was great. But you have completely misread my post. "Argument" may not be the best description of my point. A recent post by a DLander recently this season alluded to our attendances by saying some of our crowds figures were boosted by the bigger Clubs and in their opinion did not reflect that our supporters were part of the excellent attendances we were getting. If you read BBO's question I believe he could be more asking about MFC % of fans in our figures to detract rather than highlight our very credible attendance figures in 2023. My point is that all Clubs play each other and one of the major issues are the Alice Springs fixture plus the Blundstone Arena Kangaroos game. BTW I still think we should maintain that game as a football development and tourism event for the NT people's benefit. This years crowd was affected notably by the tension and racial drinking issues in that City. Actually we easily got half or more of the 8,000 Blundstone crowd if you compare the game Nth vs Suns last week which was only 4,000. But it still robs us of say 10,000 or more than if we played at Marvel. (Granted this is an away game in any case but just making a point). For the record we are sitting at the stage of being the nearest to theTop 4 Big Clubs Pies Blues Tigers and Bombers and are 5th/6th now ahead of all other Victorian and Interstate Clubs in the AFL. Compared to our membership we are doing extremely well and increasing season by season accordingly. Cats will undoubtedly increase from next year as their redeveloped home ground can take 40,000 and May be the AFL will be fair and send ALL Clubs their to GHMBA Stadium, especially if the GFC can raise their profits for each home game to near or greater than if they play at the G. The Caro's and and Sam McLure's of the world should study these figures and understand where we are in the very competitive market of AFL plus only about 12,000 off our MCG home target of 50,000 per game in our 2020 Strategic Plan. Well done Dees fans and if the crowd next Thursday is more than 93,500 (approx) we will have attracted our ONE millionth fan to our games for 2023. No mean feat no matter which way you look at it Caro and Sam?

That's probably why Disco Should play next Thursday night and Laurie also. Don't flirt with form. Tommo is always the unlucky one. He is reliable though and a great one on one player. Disco has pace and youth for future. Half back is his role I reckon.

Don't start that argument. It's the same as each team plays each other over a season. We are now becoming a bigger Club season by season.

Massive Overreaction. There was no force or malice intended in the push. Jake was just very unlucky.