16 hours ago, Willmoy1947 said:

By the way DZ, just say Clayton falls out with GWS and they have a cancel clause, do we still have to pay off the $650?

Or are we covered?

Wasn't it reported that we basically paid our bit in a lump sum to get it off our books asap. Even if our cap is affected by it for a few more years. Same thing with Goodwin I think.

After the debacle with the Treloar trade to the Dogs, the AFL simplified the rules around this stuff. Essentially if you are traded to another club and the first club agrees to pay part of the contract. Their portion is put into it's own contract. So the new club can renegotiate things down the line it won't affect the agreement with the first club.

Same thing happened when we traded Grundy to Sydney. Collingwood were still left on the hook for their bit because they had a contract with Grundy, not us. Sydney were happy to pay him what we were so we didn't have to cover it at all.

23 hours ago, Diamond_Jim said:

An aside but how did we miss singing "That's Petracca" while we had him...

Fans would sing about players they loved (or hated), things that happened on the pitch (or off it), adapting melodies from popular songs or full chants from other teams while simply tweaking the lyrics to suit the subject. One of many, many such examples: Dean Martin’s That’s Amore became a tribute by Brighton fans to Bobby Zamora.

From a great article in the Age about why the Barmy Army are streets ahead of Aussie cricket fans when it comes to match day singing.

https://www.theage.com.au/sport/why-don-t-aussie-sporting-crowds-sing-like-the-brits-do-blame-the-beatles-20251229-p5nqh1.html

Not too late.....

When you’re kicking for goal

And you can’t even score, that’s Petracca

When your brand is a mess and your girlfriend is stressed that’s Petracca

Fans will sing, kick the thing, stats are great, try your hardest

What’s the point, when its done, if you kick and can’t hit a target….  

1 hour ago, Wrecker46 said:

I’ve liked everything King has done so far besides the handling of Clarry.

Why did the players the line up for round 1 and it was a blank canvass but tell Clarrie a legend of the club he will be playing for Casey?

Do you actually know what was in that conversation? I dont. I thought he was told that he'd probably be playing a new position. I hope King didn't go out of his way to raise the possibility of Casey games. But in all honestly ANY player should know theyre not guaranteed senior games and I doubt King was guaranteeing Oliver that he'd get no senior games.

3 minutes ago, Go Ds said:

Do you actually know what was in that conversation? I dont. I thought he was told that he'd probably be playing a new position. I hope King didn't go out of his way to raise the possibility of Casey games. But in all honestly ANY player should know theyre not guaranteed senior games and I doubt King was guaranteeing Oliver that he'd get no senior games.

I too would like to know the basis of King supposedly telling him he'd be playing at Casey. Why would he say such an inflamatory thing unless they had an acrimonious meeting. Which of these is more likely:

1. He said 'you may have to play a new role'. OR:

2. He said 'you may have to play a new role and if you don't like it you'll be at Casey'. ?

   
   Surely he'd say 1. first. And if Oliver replied 'but I'm hopeless at playing any other role, or just won't' why would King mention Casey? - surely he'd make apporpriate soothing coaching noises 'we can work through that etc etc) I'd be surprised if any experienced coach would issue the Casey 'threat' even if Oliver gave a very offensive response to 1. Why should I (as an ignorant outsider) assume King would not cool things down.

   
   So my feeling is that IF they did have an acrimonious meeting, then King wanted him gone for other reasons (which I don't know about, but some here seem to). If King wanted him, he'd have kept the conversation cordial.

That's very, very good @jnrmac ! I'll see your Petracca song and raise you a DDJ (Double Dad Joke).

Sherlock Holmes is out skindiving with his faithful associate when Watson exclaims "My goodness Holmes, what's that weird creature over there?".

The detective has a look and replies "It's a yellow manta ray, my dear Watson".

Just then Dean Martin swims by and says "And that eel next to it? That's a moray".

1 hour ago, sue said:

I too would like to know the basis of King supposedly telling him he'd be playing at Casey. Why would he say such an inflamatory thing unless they had an acrimonious meeting. Which of these is more likely:

1. He said 'you may have to play a new role'. OR:

2. He said 'you may have to play a new role and if you don't like it you'll be at Casey'. ?

   
   Surely he'd say 1. first. And if Oliver replied 'but I'm hopeless at playing any other role, or just won't' why would King mention Casey? - surely he'd make apporpriate soothing coaching noises 'we can work through that etc etc) I'd be surprised if any experienced coach would issue the Casey 'threat' even if Oliver gave a very offensive response to 1. Why should I (as an ignorant outsider) assume King would not cool things down.

   
   So my feeling is that IF they did have an acrimonious meeting, then King wanted him gone for other reasons (which I don't know about, but some here seem to). If King wanted him, he'd have kept the conversation cordial.

Oliver even posted a photo shopped image of himself in a Casey jumper on his Facebook page

15 hours ago, picket fence said:

Yeah coz I will keep the flame ALIVE

🎆🎉

I am 100 percent with you mate! We simply stuffed up getting rid of a champion footballer!

Just now, Go Ds said:

Do you actually know what was in that conversation? I dont. I thought he was told that he'd probably be playing a new position. I hope King didn't go out of his way to raise the possibility of Casey games. But in all honestly ANY player should know theyre not guaranteed senior games and I doubt King was guaranteeing Oliver that he'd get no senior games.

Exactly

It's either:

a) Coach outlines new game plan and tells player what he needs to do to fit in to it. Player spits dummy and leaves. or;

b) Coach tells trouble maker about the new 'no DH policy' and player leaves.

Doesn't matter which. I'm happy. The club moves on.

6 minutes ago, jnrmac said:

Exactly

It's either:

a) Coach outlines new game plan and tells player what he needs to do to fit in to it. Player spits dummy and leaves. or;

b) Coach tells trouble maker about the new 'no DH policy' and player leaves.

Doesn't matter which. I'm happy. The club moves on.

As much as we love Clarry he had issues. And from the outside those issues were affecting other players including Trac as reported. A great player, but at the same time hasn't been that great lately for us at least.

King has a vision, playing Clarry in only the mid was not part of it, we needed change in that area. It appears Clarry didn't like that idea and asked to be traded and we helped him move on.

Will we be a better "Team" from this, I hope so. While he get back to his best at GWS, who knows. Is it done, yes....

18 minutes ago, jnrmac said:

Exactly

It's either:

a) Coach outlines new game plan and tells player what he needs to do to fit in to it. Player spits dummy and leaves. or;

b) Coach tells trouble maker about the new 'no DH policy' and player leaves.

Doesn't matter which. I'm happy. The club moves on.

Yeah but many can't or won't move on!

48 minutes ago, Wrecker46 said:

Oliver even posted a photo shopped image of himself in a Casey jumper on his Facebook page

Why would do just that if he wasn't told this??

5 hours ago, picket fence said:

The video evidence of him trying to get back much earlier and having an arguement with Selwyn Griffiths I think it was!

No it was actually a lot of other video evidence of him off field at the time.

It had very little to do with football, infact during that time i doubt he would have even known what a football was…

32 minutes ago, picket fence said:

Yeah but many can't or won't move on!

Got no choice really. Opening Round should be the end of it. Actually now would be better.

3 hours ago, GS_1905 said:

I agree our midfield is currently our biggest weakness, closely followed by the forward line... the bet that was made was on Langford, Windsor & XL to come through and that will take another 2-3 seasons before we will be able to tell one way or another.

Love Riv, Viney and the support crew in Steele, Sparrow but they are just solid B/C graders and unfortunately will not be enough for us to be competitive (make the 8). Whilst Kozzy is a star himself, it will be interesting to see if he alone can make a difference. My guess is that he'll likely attract a tag and based on what i have seen, he doesn't tend to do well with that type of attention.

That is why you need at least A graders in every midfield to be competitive and probably 3-4 to have a real chance of winning a flag. With the way the game is trending though, you also need a solid rebound capability and that means HB flankers and im surprised we didnt invest more into that part of the ground as well.

GS_1905, Key Backs - Steven May, Harrison Petty, Tom McDonald, Daniel Turner, Jake Lever and Jed Adams

Back flankers - C Jiath, Xavier Taylor, Blake Howes, Xavier Lindsay, Trent Rivers, Jake Bowey, Christian Salem, Andy Moniz- Wakefield

Mids - Jack Steele, Jack Viney, Kysaiah Pickett AA, Caleb Windsor, Ed Langdon, Jai Culley, Harvey Langford, Tom Sparrow, Trent Rivers, Koltyn Tholstrup.

Fwd’s - Brody Mihocek, Jacob van Rooyen, Bailey Fritsch, Jake Melksham, Shane McAdam, Aidan Johnson, Kade Chandler, Harry Sharp, Mathew Jefferson, Luker Kentfield, Latrell Pickett and potentially Thomas Mathews

Rucks- Max Gawn AA, Max Heath, Tom Campbell, Kalani White (JvR, AJ, TC spares, Kalani building craft and strength)

Jack Steele is a 2x AA and will be given a lot of rope, a fit JV is a brute tackling machine, Kozzie AA, Langdon B+, Rivers should go to B+ as could Langford and Windsor.

Do we have enough A+’s, B and B+ players on our list, well Kingy has thrown down the gauntlet and said that all positions are open and will be decided during the preseason and practice games, GS personally I have a strong belief that this group of 20-25 years olds will rattle the cages this year and that is exactly what he wants to happen. Losing CP5 and C13 weakened us But allows a lot of new opportunities for our youngsters and the new game plan to develop and be accepted more readily.

1 hour ago, picket fence said:

Why would do just that if he wasn't told this??

While it is possible Oliver posted an image of himself in a Casey jumper to indicate that King made a "Casey threat', it's hardly proof. Oliver may have just thought that was a way of emphasising he did not want to play a new role - "I guess I'll be Casey bound - see pic". It doesn't mean there was a direct threat from the coach.

But if it was true such a threat (implicit or explicit) was made, it is more likely that an experienced coach really wanted to get rid of him rather than that he erred in how he handled Oliver in the meeting.

5 hours ago, KozzyCan said:

Wasn't it reported that we basically paid our bit in a lump sum to get it off our books asap. Even if our cap is affected by it for a few more years. Same thing with Goodwin I think.

To comply with Aus Accounting Standards all payments were recorded as being paid in our last financial year (although the payments are going to happen in the future.) I think we should have a liability some where in our books for the outstanding amounts, I think.

2 hours ago, sue said:

While it is possible Oliver posted an image of himself in a Casey jumper to indicate that King made a "Casey threat', it's hardly proof. Oliver may have just thought that was a way of emphasising he did not want to play a new role - "I guess I'll be Casey bound - see pic". It doesn't mean there was a direct threat from the coach.

But if it was true such a threat (implicit or explicit) was made, it is more likely that an experienced coach really wanted to get rid of him rather than that he erred in how he handled Oliver in the meeting.

Sue, if this was threatened, then it was a MAJOR blunder by an inexperienced coach, not an experienced one, can you imagine Chris Fagan saying this??

7 hours ago, jnrmac said:

Not too late.....

When you’re kicking for goal

And you can’t even score, that’s Petracca

When your brand is a mess and your girlfriend is stressed that’s Petracca

Fans will sing, kick the thing, stats are great, try your hardest

What’s the point, when its done, if you kick and can’t hit a target….  

Get the man a gig at the Brill (Building)

He’s no dill…

6 hours ago, darkhorse72 said:

King has a vision, playing Clarry in only the mid was not part of it, we needed change in that area. It appears Clarry didn't like that idea and asked to be traded and we helped him move on.

I just think this is a complete Furphy. The club (led by Richardson and Green?) had had enough, and with a new coach wanted to put a broom through the place, with Oliver first to be shown the door. The "play in different positions" is maybe how it was presented, at least publicly, but it was always just a way of everyone saving face. Not to mention, going through the motions of maintaining some semblance of trade value for him. (A waste of time as it turned out, no-one wanted to touch him.)

7 hours ago, Bobby McKenzie 2 said:

I am 100 percent with you mate! We simply stuffed up getting rid of a champion footballer!

He hasn’t been a champion player for nearly 3 years now

11 hours ago, Demons11 said:

He hasn’t been a champion player for nearly 3 years now

Can't believe the animosity by some here denigrating Clarry, so again 4 B& F 2 time coaches award 3rd in Brownlow and yeah impact dropped last 2 years but still STILL his numbers for many metrics in those years remained ELITE!

This farewell for Oliver - at 101 pages and counting - is longer than Dame Nellie Melba's and KISS's farewells combined. I think I can easily summarise the gist of what has been discussed over the last 101 pages:

• yes he was - no he wasn't

• yes he is - no he isn't

• yes he will - no he won't.

  I think that about covers it.

  But just for @picket fence, he WAS a champion, one of the greatest Dee's ever. But sadly the last two years have shown how far he has fallen, and the fact that the Club was prepared to pay him to play elsewhere really says it all.

  Time to move on i believe - just like Clarrie has.

Oliver is an indicator of the club performance.

He was traded to improve club performance. From a financial perspective the report at the AGM seems to indicate it has been handled well. How other (all) players perform will be the measure of how well this was handled.

this is a complex issue which requires far mor nuanced explanantion which requires far greater knowledge of facts than we have access to. I trust and support the club but certainly hope it works out well for both us and Oliver.

Ok I have to be careful here, spoke to an old mate and he um came in contact with a GWS Players dad, He met the said player later who said that Clarry looks in sensational shape and his fitness levels are through the roof! Take it or leave it! I hope this equates to him having a fine season and the chance for my lazy hundred bucks on the Brownlow bears fruit!

58 minutes ago, picket fence said:

Can't believe the animosity by some here denigrating Clarry, so again 4 B& F 2 time coaches award 3rd in Brownlow and yeah impact dropped last 2 years but still STILL his numbers for many metrics in those years remained ELITE!

Picket nobody is happy about Clarrie's demise and we'd all love to have a 2021 version of him playing but since his hammy he really hasn't been the player he was and I doubt if he'd stayed at MFC he could have got back there.

I was very happy when both he and Trac returned to full preseasons last year and thought we were a genuine chance to make an impact in finals but I was very wrong and while Trac was good (but not by his highest standards) Clarrie was ordinary. It's also true that many of my friends warned me that Clarrie and Trac were very poor for the change room but I dismissed their concerns thinking that was not really important. I was wrong. Last year when I watched Captain's runs it was very apparent how Clarrie particularly and Trac were not "part of the group". Clarrie would engage with nobody but Fritta and Trac just went about his business with little or no interaction with other players.

You can kid yourself that this sort of thing doesn't matter. You can convince yourself that "if we'd won the close ones" we'd be much better than we appear but the reality is that over two years we were bog ordinary. Clarrie and Trac were no good for the change room and no good for the club. Goody, who I still love, was well past his used by date, another judgement I got very wrong.

Getting rid of these three and refreshing the list and the coaching staff give us a really good chance to reset. Like you, Clarrie was an absolute favourite of mine and I'll be forever grateful for his enormous contribution to the club but I also recognise we gave him many chances which he declined to take. If he "shoves it down our throats" this season then it will be just more evidence of how he really failed to apply himself over the last couple of years and will justify his trade.

As a side observation I've never seen Fritta train the way he is this PS. He's in everything and training like his future depends on it. Joining the dots I think not having his best buddy Clarrie there has removed a bit of a screen for him to go at less than 100%. I'm picking Fritta (along with Windsor) to be most improved this year based on training form and that's a big prediction given his very high standard.