1 hour ago, adonski said:

Hope we land him

Wouldn't mind having another crack at Isaac Smith too

The Isaac Smith who's about to turn 37 and retired two years ago?

Seems like the Pies will replace him with Jack Buller, ascending 24 year old with the size to ruck. The kind of player we should be targeting if we had a competent list management team.

So IMV we need more speed in our forward half.

Given King's desire to play fast, attacking footy, I'm not entirely convinced we need Mihocek.

But let's say we got him, our forwardline could look like this:

Chandler Mihocek xxxx

JVR (2nd ruck) Fritta Melksham

xxxx has to be someone with speed and ideally x factor (think McCreery), and ideally the 7th forward is also another with speed.

Pair that with occasional forward play from Kozzy and that's enough speed.

Without Mihocek, I think our forwardline has more balance to play a faster game.

Chandler Melksham xxxx

JVR Fritta xxxx xxxx

I wonder if King's conversation yesterday and no doubt his other conversation with list management since he landed the position and up to trade week, will change our list strategy position.

They need to be AFL standard, but IMV we've needed more pace and x factor in our forward half for years.

I really like Mihocek as a player, but I don't love him in the same forward line as Melksham. It has to be one or the other.

2 minutes ago, poita said:

I really like Mihocek as a player, but I don't love him in the same forward line as Melksham. It has to be one or the other.

Agreed. Which is why it's a funny list management approach for me.

6 minutes ago, poita said:

I really like Mihocek as a player, but I don't love him in the same forward line as Melksham. It has to be one or the other.

3 minutes ago, Adam The God said:

Agreed. Which is why it's a funny list management approach for me.

Chances are neither player will play more than 16-18 games next year due to age, injury and management so I'd say there will be numerous games that it will be one or the other, and you're building a good forward line depth chart.

If it was just about any other player I'd say "No - too old." But Mihocek is such an honest footballer. I really like him.

No Mihocek and Melksham in the same forward line makes sense. For me, Mihocek every single day of the week.

Worth a punt. Just make sure his foot is ok.

29 minutes ago, Adam The God said:

Agreed. Which is why it's a funny list management approach for me.

They need him more than us and yet willing to let him go.

Two 33 year olds in our forward line is not good for forward pressure.

34 minutes ago, poita said:

I really like Mihocek as a player, but I don't love him in the same forward line as Melksham. It has to be one or the other.

I think Mihocek would spell the end for Melksham, but I don’t see that as a bad thing. Melksham has had a good year by his standards and has kicked less goals then Mihocek, plus he’s not growing any taller or getting any quicker

Edited September 16Sep 16 by BW511

27 minutes ago, Bring-Back-Powell said:

Chances are neither player will play more than 16-18 games next year due to age, injury and management so I'd say there will be numerous games that it will be one or the other, and you're building a good forward line depth chart.

Add McAdam into that mix and we are paying for 3 forwards with the hope of getting one on the part at a time. Nuts.

Pies list management has been streets ahead of ours lately. Only willing to offer a one year contract to a player who has busted his guts for them tells me they think he’s shot.

A fit BM would be great for us but we can’t afford to be paying $1.5m to another forward to spend most of his time on the injury list.

I’d rather see us build for the future.

49 minutes ago, Adam The God said:

So IMV we need more speed in our forward half.

Given King's desire to play fast, attacking footy, I'm not entirely convinced we need Mihocek.

But let's say we got him, our forwardline could look like this:

Chandler Mihocek xxxx

JVR (2nd ruck) Fritta Melksham

xxxx has to be someone with speed and ideally x factor (think McCreery), and ideally the 7th forward is also another with speed.

Pair that with occasional forward play from Kozzy and that's enough speed.

Without Mihocek, I think our forwardline has more balance to play a faster game.

Chandler Melksham xxxx

JVR Fritta xxxx xxxx

I wonder if King's conversation yesterday and no doubt his other conversation with list management since he landed the position and up to trade week, will change our list strategy position.

They need to be AFL standard, but IMV we've needed more pace and x factor in our forward half for years.

Can you please not connote speed of ball movement into the forward line with having speedy forwards. Being a good forward in a team that moves the ball quickly is about exploiting space and using the urgency and intensity of what is happening up the ground to get space from your opponent.

JVR is not slow, but he also asks nothing of his opponents and doesn’t know how to exploit space to get the ball.

Our best forward for a few years now is Jake Melksham and I hope that sinks in with people what it means to be a forward.

mihocek would walk into the side and be our second best forward

he's mobile, plays tall, and smart around goal

given his later start of an afl life, he could play for more than two ro three more seasons

is he effectively a free agent as a result of his age, and being out of contract?

41 minutes ago, rpfc said:

Can you please not connote speed of ball movement into the forward line with having speedy forwards. Being a good forward in a team that moves the ball quickly is about exploiting space and using the urgency and intensity of what is happening up the ground to get space from your opponent.

JVR is not slow, but he also asks nothing of his opponents and doesn’t know how to exploit space to get the ball.

Our best forward for a few years now is Jake Melksham and I hope that sinks in with people what it means to be a forward.

I'm not deliberately conflating speed of ball movement with speed of players, but you have to take into account forward half pressure and other personnel already in the team (Melksham and Fritta).

I don't mind this at all. Can take a grab and kick a goal. My only concern would be his age but Gunston has shown that age is only a number.

14 minutes ago, Adam The God said:

I'm not deliberately conflating speed of ball movement with speed of players, but you have to take into account forward half pressure and other personnel already in the team (Melksham and Fritta).

Well I would trade Fritsch but that is a different conversation. Our defensive structure is important when we get it down there - but I am happy to lose 10 Inside 50s if we make more of the I50s we do get. I think we have dined at the alter of repeat entries and come up hungry the last few years…

If we get him, we'll have to pay and offers overs.

So get ready to lose your [censored] when he gets a 3 year deal. Doubt he would leave otherwise

The most Tim Lamb move ever. Hope Steven King has the ability to reject that proposal to him.

If maggot Media like it, I'm against it.

Tim Lamb should listen to King before he does anything further. I still think Lamb has done an awful job with 99% of his picks. We could do better than Lamb.

Someone else from Collingwood. Haven’t we learnt our lesson yet.

Neeld Dawes Kennedy Lumumba and as Dodos Demons reminded me, Grundy say hello.

Rule no. 1 no one from Collingwood

Rule no. 2 no one from Collingwood

Rule no. 3 no one from Collingwood

Edited September 16Sep 16 by Its Time for Another

14 minutes ago, Willmoy1947 said:

If maggot Media like it, I'm against it.

Any chance that one of your future posts in any number of threads won't be fixated on the 'big and bad' media?

23 minutes ago, Its Time for Another said:

Someone else from Collingwood. Haven’t we learnt our lesson yet.

Neeld Dawes Kennedy Lumumba say hello.

Rule no. 1 no one from Collingwood

Rule no. 2 no one from Collingwood

Rule no. 3 no one from Collingwood

You forgot Grundy too.

I like the idea of bringing in Michoek as sort of a playing coach to teach Van Rooyen, Petty and Jefferson and Kentfield forward craft, and maybe Melksham becomes a super sub type who comes on late in the games to give us something with his experience, but is a valuable coach on the bench for the other 3/4

3 minutes ago, Ted Lasso said:

maybe Melksham becomes a super sub type who comes on late in the games

I think I read that Greg Swann wants to do away with the sub as one of his raft of rule changes.

If that is the case, you wouldn't waste a player by having them sitting on the bench for the first three quarters.