8 minutes ago, burnthefushias said:

Having said that, the list is better than what we're dishing up

Agree with your post, but not entirely in agreement with this. Yes, we have some good/great players. But the trouble is that their work is being undone by the half-dozen who are yet to confirm themselves as AFL-capable.

Success on field isn't so much about your best players, but your worst.

12 minutes ago, YesitwasaWin4theAges said:

Meanwhile Rich have won 5 games for the year and have completely turned their list over.

Take notes Dees

Just now, Heart Beats True said:

Not quite as dumb as keeping a coach of an underperforming team just because the players “love him”. Surely you are joking 😂

Underperforming is subjective. We can go around in circles if you like, but the fact is if Goodwin goes we are going full rebuild.

We are not that far off and all the wrist slitting is way over the top.

Sure, the non call to Clarry was deplorable but our poor forward craft cost us the game (faux surprise). If not for Koz I don’t know where the majority of the goals we do score would have come from.

27 minutes ago, bing181 said:

That's right, because no matter how good or bad the players are it comes down to the coach. Your premise is basically that next week we could put the Casey team on the field and when they lose it's Goodwin's fault.

Except it's not the Casey team is it? It's a pretty much full strength squad that can't even defeat a beat-up Carlton side.

Blind Freddy can see the inadequacies of the coaching, yes our players make skill errors and poor decisions; they are also coached to play a certain way which does nothing to mitigate their negatives and accentuate their positives. Do you think we will be clearing out senior players this offseason? Do you think if we just keep persevering the wheel will turn in 2026?

1 minute ago, Doug Reemer said:

Tholstrup is no good. Someone on here tell me what his strength is?

If I was Laurie or Woewoden, I’d be on the phone to my manager asking who is interested.

3 minutes ago, Doug Reemer said:

Tholstrup is no good. Someone on here tell me what his strength is?

If I was Laurie or Woewoden, I’d be on the phone to my manager asking who is interested.

4 minutes ago, Doug Reemer said:

Tholstrup is no good. Someone on here tell me what his strength is?

If I was Laurie or Woewoden, I’d be on the phone to my manager asking who is interested.

Might be why McVee hasn't signed

29 minutes ago, Jaded No More said:

It’s all about confidence. He tries so hard and to his credit his attacked that contest, took a good pack mark and kicked the goal when the game was there to be won. He’s played 6 games, one of which he was subbed off in the first quarter with a broken hand.

The season is done, what’s the use of not giving him exposure at this level? He’s contracted and he will be at the club next year, so let’s see what he can do with more confidence. That last mark and goal would be massive for his belief.

He should've had another shot straight after, was tripped in a tangle of legs but unsurprisingly the call was play on.

I agree he has to keep playing, the worst thing for his co fidence now would be to drop him. And what would be the point anyway? He needs to build synergy with JVR if anything is to come of them, we must bring in another ruck so JVR doesn't have to go into the middle and can focus on his forward craft. He's also the only forward that knows how to lead, not that it does him much good in our forward line.

Edited July 19Jul 19 by Dr. Gonzo

3 minutes ago, BigBadBustling said:

but the fact is if Goodwin goes we are going full rebuild.

No it’s not, might be your opinion but it’s not fact.

need to stop the denial an stop blaming umpires, we are in serious trouble and Goodwin along with he’s assistant coaches and footy dept are failing, they have destroyed the list and pushed us over the cliff , change is needed as he can’t fix it!

Disgraceful performance

Carlton are a rabble .

Umpire standard is Disgraceful

After all that, every 2nd disposal of ours is either turn over or fumble.

Lucky for kossie, otherwise we might as well be Fitzroy.

We don't have enough kickers from the backline to split defensive zones.

We don't have the speed to roll and go from D50 to break games open.

We are just so stagnate from our defensive half.

Bowey is the only player that can kick and slice through a defensive zone on a consistent basis, no one else.

That's where the game is at these days every other top 6 team has 3-4 playera that can slice through a zone with speed and foot skills.

Edited July 19Jul 19 by YesitwasaWin4theAges

10 minutes ago, BigBadBustling said:

No DD, our players (with their deplorable skills) got us close enough to win that game tonight. 1 thing stopped them. Don't be 1 of 'them'! Agreed our skills need work, but that's not why we lost. You're better than that!

So sick of alleged supporters bagging our players when they've clearly been stitched up. Or are you turning a blind eye to the umpiring? And why? Look at the stats. You'd be happy with your team's effort with those numbers, no? Which stat won the game? Think long and hard!

Got us close to a team that was missing McKay, Walsh, Silvagni, McGovern, Newman, Cottrell who are all in their best 22.

We sunk to their level and didn't capitalise on our opportunities once again because we're mentally weak and crumble when the pressure gets too much.

Every game pretty much has a one sided umpiring bias. You're acting as we are the first club to be umpired poorly this year.

We've got far bigger issues with this playing group then purely blaming a loss on umpiring. If you can't see that then you are part of the problem.

2 minutes ago, Demonsone said:

need to stop the denial an stop blaming umpires, we are in serious trouble and Goodwin along with he’s assistant coaches and footy dept are failing, they have destroyed the list and pushed us over the cliff , change is needed as he can’t fix it!

Ok, throw your coaches hat on for a second. The high free paid against Petracca. How are you coaching him to work around that? "Christian, that was rubbish, you can only tackle around the waist or you'll give away a free kick."

I really don't know what the muppets on here expect the players to do. They've won almost every stat tonight and yet are getting bashed by the supporters. 1 stat however was clearly lopsided, and yet they cannot fathom where the game was lost. Is this an intelligence problem?

11 minutes ago, bing181 said:

Success on field isn't so much about your best players, but your worst.

I couldn't agree more. The dearth of mid twenties players on the list is a blight on our management team

10 minutes ago, BigBadBustling said:

Underperforming is subjective. We can go around in circles if you like, but the fact is if Goodwin goes we are going full rebuild.

We are not that far off and all the wrist slitting is way over the top.

Based on what facts exactly?

Do you even know the difference between stating a fact that hasn't even occured to making a statement based on opinion.

29 minutes ago, DeeNA said:

I actually feel bad for Kossie. Choosing money over success couldn’t have been an easy decision.

It was us or Freo. I don't think success entered the equation.

What stage are you at?

The five stages of grief, as outlined by Elisabeth Kübler-Ross, are: denial, anger, bargaining, depression, and acceptance. These stages are a framework to understand common emotional reactions to loss, but they are not necessarily linear or experienced by everyone. Grief is a personal experience, and individuals may experience these stages in different orders, or not at all, and may even revisit stages. Here's a breakdown of the five stages:

1. 1. Denial:

   This stage involves a temporary refusal to accept the reality of the loss. It can manifest as disbelief or shock. 

2. 2. Anger:

   As the reality of the loss sinks in, anger may arise. This can be directed at oneself, others, or even a higher power. 

3. 3. Bargaining:

   In this stage, individuals may try to negotiate with a higher power or fate, often in an attempt to regain what was lost. 

4. 4. Depression:

   This stage involves feelings of profound sadness, hopelessness, and withdrawal as the reality of the loss fully sets in. 

5. 5. Acceptance:

   This is not necessarily a happy stage, but rather an acknowledgement of the loss and a movement towards integrating it into one's life. 

Important Considerations:

• Not linear:

  Individuals may cycle through these stages, experience them in different orders, or not experience all of them. 

• Personal experience:

  Grief is a highly personal journey, and there is no right or wrong way to grieve. 

• Other emotions:

  Other emotions such as sadness, guilt, and anxiety can also be part of the grieving process. 

• Seeking support:

  It's important to seek support from friends, family, or a therapist if you are struggling with grief. 

• Beyond death:

  The five stages can also apply to other types of loss, such as the end of a relationship or job. 

I don’t care how impactful the umpiring was.

This result was utterly predictable and represents everything that is wrong with us.

More inside 50s. More scoring shots. Far closer to our first choice side than them. Yet a slow start, wasted chances, inaccuracy all combine, and we lose a close one. To a side devoid of confidence and going no better than us.

I’m sick of the “it’s all Goodwin” vs “it’s not Goodwin at all” stuff. If you hold either view, you’re wrong. It’s a whole of club problem. Goodwin’s clearly struggling - when the same mistakes occur each week from the same players, it’s unfathomable to suggest that isn’t even in part on the coach. But similarly, to isolate Goodwin from the rest of the club is nonsensical. We have a list full of players who cannot deal with pressure (physical but more so mental). We have players who don’t appear able to fix longstanding and obvious mistakes. And we, most of all, have a list that has been built to fail. Far too many players who do not possess AFL level skill, or cannot demonstrate it due to a lack of physique or intensity.

1 minute ago, Queanbeyan Demon said:

What stage are you at?

The five stages of grief, as outlined by Elisabeth Kübler-Ross, are: denial, anger, bargaining, depression, and acceptance. These stages are a framework to understand common emotional reactions to loss, but they are not necessarily linear or experienced by everyone. Grief is a personal experience, and individuals may experience these stages in different orders, or not at all, and may even revisit stages. Here's a breakdown of the five stages:

1. 1. Denial:

   This stage involves a temporary refusal to accept the reality of the loss. It can manifest as disbelief or shock. 

2. 2. Anger:

   As the reality of the loss sinks in, anger may arise. This can be directed at oneself, others, or even a higher power. 

3. 3. Bargaining:

   In this stage, individuals may try to negotiate with a higher power or fate, often in an attempt to regain what was lost. 

4. 4. Depression:

   This stage involves feelings of profound sadness, hopelessness, and withdrawal as the reality of the loss fully sets in. 

5. 5. Acceptance:

   This is not necessarily a happy stage, but rather an acknowledgement of the loss and a movement towards integrating it into one's life. 

Important Considerations:

• Not linear:

  Individuals may cycle through these stages, experience them in different orders, or not experience all of them. 

• Personal experience:

  Grief is a highly personal journey, and there is no right or wrong way to grieve. 

• Other emotions:

  Other emotions such as sadness, guilt, and anxiety can also be part of the grieving process. 

• Seeking support:

  It's important to seek support from friends, family, or a therapist if you are struggling with grief. 

• Beyond death:

  The five stages can also apply to other types of loss, such as the end of a relationship or job. 

Can I be both depression and acceptance? 🤣

1 minute ago, dazzledavey36 said:

Got us close to a team that was missing McKay, Walsh, Silvagni, McGovern, Newman, Cottrell who are all in their best 22.

We sunk to their level and didn't capitalise on our opportunities once again because we're mentally weak and crumble when the pressure gets too much.

Every game pretty much has a one sided umpiring bias. You're acting as we are the first club to be umpired poorly this year.

We've got far bigger issues with this playing group then purely blaming a loss on umpiring. If you can't see that then you are part of the problem.

Read that back to yourself Dazzle. Especially the umpiring bias bit.

Wake the F up. If you're acknowledging games are basically fixed - yet still bashing your own players, you're part of the problem.

Start sticking up for your club and it's players FFS, rather than turning a blind eye to this rorting.

While the umpiring was definitely awful, and prob did cost us the game, blaming it is missing the point. That was a bad game of football, Carlton were awful going into their fifty and fumbly in the midfield. Their backline was the only part of their setup that played well. We should have beaten them with ease, but we managed to be even worse going inside fifty - we either missed targets on the lead or bombed it long in the hope of....I don't know what, in some situations they seemed to be hoping the Carlton backline would just drop it so we could crumb a goal.

The bit I really want to highlight though was that first quarter. We were trying to play some sort of possession game and switch the ball of half back, and we made dumb decision after dumb decision. So many times we tried a kick which didn't work, and had us exposed in the other direction. Whatever the coaches are trying to train in either isn't taking, or the players just aren't up to it. We're sadly not going anywhere without significant player changes or finding a gameplan that will work with the players we have.

1 minute ago, demoncat said:

Can I be both depression and acceptance? 🤣

I'm at least in acceptance of my denial!

What a joke of a club!!

We had our senior coach come out and say that we have never been more stable !!.

Interim President

Interim CEO

No home training base.

Worst finish in 5 years.

What other club would look at us serious??

I'm all for supporting, but how as a fan base can we keep taking this amateur performance from key leaders masking as professional, this is why the Geelong and Collingwoods stay relevant, because it is not tollerated.

Where as we say it's ok we broke premiership drought and let's just be [censored] for another 50 years !!!

3 minutes ago, Queanbeyan Demon said:

What stage are you at?

The five stages of grief, as outlined by Elisabeth Kübler-Ross, are: denial, anger, bargaining, depression, and acceptance. These stages are a framework to understand common emotional reactions to loss, but they are not necessarily linear or experienced by everyone. Grief is a personal experience, and individuals may experience these stages in different orders, or not at all, and may even revisit stages. Here's a breakdown of the five stages:

1. 1. Denial:

   This stage involves a temporary refusal to accept the reality of the loss. It can manifest as disbelief or shock. 

2. 2. Anger:

   As the reality of the loss sinks in, anger may arise. This can be directed at oneself, others, or even a higher power. 

3. 3. Bargaining:

   In this stage, individuals may try to negotiate with a higher power or fate, often in an attempt to regain what was lost. 

4. 4. Depression:

   This stage involves feelings of profound sadness, hopelessness, and withdrawal as the reality of the loss fully sets in. 

5. 5. Acceptance:

   This is not necessarily a happy stage, but rather an acknowledgement of the loss and a movement towards integrating it into one's life. 

Important Considerations:

• Not linear:

  Individuals may cycle through these stages, experience them in different orders, or not experience all of them. 

• Personal experience:

  Grief is a highly personal journey, and there is no right or wrong way to grieve. 

• Other emotions:

  Other emotions such as sadness, guilt, and anxiety can also be part of the grieving process. 

• Seeking support:

  It's important to seek support from friends, family, or a therapist if you are struggling with grief. 

• Beyond death:

  The five stages can also apply to other types of loss, such as the end of a relationship or job. 

I'm at 5.

We’re awful. Even when they fight and win a hard contested footy they don’t have the skills to execute. And 2026 is going to be a repeat of what we saw tonight