I'd like to see a full Laurie game for curiosity more than anything

With that being said, I'd suspect Sharp gets rightfully rewarded with a full game after his impressive last quarter against the Swans

1 minute ago, Red and Bluebeard said:

Pedantic point: We beat them in Alice by 3 points in 2020 https://www.saints.com.au/matches/2859

I forgot about that. That's another black mark on that podcast and in particular Birch's 'analysis'.

They actually implied Saints hadn't played there (but i was dubious which is I added the i dont tkink caveat) and as a result didn't point out an obvious flaw in Birch's 4-6 rationale - ie, the dees might well have lost 6 of their games at Traeger Park, but one of their wins was against the Saints (who may have lost 100% of their games there?)

31 minutes ago, Dingo said:

I lived in Bentleigh and used to go to the Bentleigh Club too!

Follow up- Metro Consstructions building 3/4 Bedroom Homes on the site

15 minutes ago, Roost it far said:

We love pedantic around here

Well actually…

I have some concerns regarding the future of Jack Viney.

No inside word here, just a bad feeling

Good call bring Laurie in and giving Sharp a full game

Reward for effort

#Selection Integrity

Fantastic to have settled back line and fwd line for once!!

Keep the momentum going Demons!

29 minutes ago, binman said:

I forgot about that. That's another black mark on that podcast and in particular Birch's 'analysis'.

They actually implied Saints hadn't played there (but i was dubious which is I added the i dont tkink caveat) and as a result didn't point out an obvious flaw in Birch's 4-6 rationale - ie, the dees might well have lost 6 of their games at Traeger Park, but one of their wins was against the Saints (who may have lost 100% of their games there?)

We lost our first 3 there to Port Adelaide when we were average, so after that we've gone 4-3 so recent history isn't too bad other than the shocker v Freo.

I share the concerns of everyone here about Jack Vuney’s health but reading between the lines of the club statement is it not possible that his omission has more to do with match preparation and fitness than lingering symptoms? The statement says the “objective things are tracking well” I assume that’s the medical recovery but that “Jack wasn’t quite ready for a the demands of an AFL game” I assume that refers to the more subjective amount of contact training and full training he’s been able to do. Maybe it’s rose coloured glasses but I read that as a good sign that we think the team is working well and want Jack cherry ripe before he returns, rather than something ominous medically. Fingers crossed.

Also he’s flying with the team to do training in Alice, isn’t it a bad idea for someone experiencing symptoms from concussion to fly?

Edited Friday at 08:442 days by deejammin'

2 hours ago, DubDee said:

Does Viney have a history of concussion issues?

If not, we may be jumping the gun with worrying about his career. The club are rightfully being extremely conservative with our VC

Early in his career, Jack had repeated concussions as his habit was to drive into contests with his head over the ball. These concussion instances were short-spaced apart as there were not the protocols we have today. At the time, the club said they had to retrain Jack's attack on contested ball otherwise his career would be cut short. Jack did learn to turn his body going into contests. But still...

I hope Demonlanders don't mind if I quote Claude.ai to ask about delayed impact of repeated concussions from earlier in a sporting career:

Yes, repeated concussions in contact sports can definitely have delayed impacts that emerge later in an athlete's career or even after retirement. This is well-documented in medical research.

The primary concern is Chronic Traumatic Encephalopathy (CTE), a progressive neurodegenerative disease associated with repeated head trauma. CTE symptoms typically don't appear until years or decades after the initial injuries and can include memory problems, confusion, impaired judgment, aggression, depression, anxiety, and eventually progressive dementia.

Second Impact Syndrome is another serious concern, where a second concussion occurs before the brain has fully healed from a previous one. This can lead to rapid and severe brain swelling, potentially causing permanent disability or death.

Other delayed effects can include:

• Post-concussion syndrome with persistent headaches, dizziness, and cognitive difficulties

• Increased risk of depression and anxiety disorders

• Sleep disturbances

• Increased susceptibility to future concussions (the brain becomes more vulnerable after each injury)

• Cognitive decline affecting memory, attention, and processing speed

The risk increases with the number of concussions sustained, their severity, and how closely spaced they are in time. Sports with higher rates of repetitive head impacts - like football, hockey, boxing, and rugby - show higher rates of these long-term effects.

15 minutes ago, Dee in a Kilt said:

Early in his career, Jack had repeated concussions as his habit was to drive into contests with his head over the ball. These concussion instances were short-spaced apart as there were not the protocols we have today. At the time, the club said they had to retrain Jack's attack on contested ball otherwise his career would be cut short. Jack did learn to turn his body going into contests. But still...

I hope Demonlanders don't mind if I quote Claude.ai to ask about delayed impact of repeated concussions from earlier in a sporting career:

Sad that he is still getting concussion symptons whilst training 3 weeks after the event. Wish him the best.

1 hour ago, DubDee said:

Good call bring Laurie in and giving Sharp a full game

Reward for effort

#Selection Integrity

kynan brown, adam’s and sestan say hi

2 hours ago, Adam The God said:

The most surprising thing in this thread is that people have been bothering to listen to a footy podcast produced by The Age.

2 hours ago, binman said:

I won't be making that mistake again I can assure you.

Few points:

1. There are two The Age pods a week - Monday and Thursday

2. The quality depends on who the podees are - is terribly variable (Niall is arrogant, Birch provides a modicum of insight occasionally only, McClure diabolical and Wilson is Wilson)

3. The Thursday tips pod is usually Andrew Wu and Peter Ryan. When it's just these two - it's pretty listenable.

Edited Friday at 09:372 days by Queanbeyan Demon

21 minutes ago, jaydenh10 said:

kynan brown, adam’s and sestan say hi

Hi guys!

can’t fit them in with a fit list unfortunately

None of them banging down the door and better than the 22

7 minutes ago, DubDee said:

Hi guys!

can’t fit them in with a fit list unfortunately

None of them banging down the door and better than the 22

Banging the door down, absolutely yes.

Better then anyone in our current 22 line up, no.

4 hours ago, dees189227 said:

Gee it's a worry viney is missing again

A worry NO its more than that... Jack Viney missing a 4th game from concussion should scream..

NO MORE... Think Gus, J..V He has young family. Has made some $$ So Jack ..can u risk another hit this season???

Um nar, great player ( even though I have been critical at times)

Um time to think beyond the present

NO MORE

Paid u dues great career!🤩

Edited Friday at 09:582 days by picket fence

Not to be dramatic but informed, I went on to ask Claude.ai "If an AFL player had a number of concussion instances over 9 years ago, he recently had another incident in which he only presented symptoms 4 days after the game and it is has now been 4 weeks and he still has not cleared protocols, does this have any significance or does it reflect significantly improved head trauma protocols these days?"

The response:

This situation likely reflects both factors - the improved protocols and the potential significance of his concussion history.

The delayed symptom onset (4 days later) is particularly noteworthy. While concussion symptoms can sometimes emerge hours after impact, a 4-day delay is less common and may suggest either a more complex injury or that his brain is more vulnerable due to his previous concussions from 9 years ago. Each concussion can make the brain more susceptible to future injuries and potentially slower to recover.

The extended recovery time (4+ weeks) could indicate:

• His brain needs longer to heal due to cumulative effects from previous concussions

• The current injury may be more severe than initially apparent

• His brain's baseline recovery capacity may have been compromised by the earlier trauma

• Age-related factors (assuming he's older now than during his previous concussions)

However, the modern AFL concussion protocols are indeed much more rigorous than they were 9+ years ago. The AFL has significantly tightened their return-to-play guidelines, particularly after high-profile legal cases and growing awareness of CTE risks. Today's protocols involve:

• More comprehensive baseline testing

• Stricter symptom monitoring

• Independent medical assessments

• Graduated return-to-play protocols

• Extended observation periods

So while his prolonged recovery time might partly reflect his concussion history making him more vulnerable, it's also very likely that 9 years ago he would have been cleared to play much sooner under the less stringent protocols of that era - potentially before his brain had fully healed.

The combination of both factors makes this a cautious approach that prioritizes his long-term brain health over short-term playing availability.

1 hour ago, Queanbeyan Demon said:

Few points:

1. There are two The Age pods a week - Monday and Thursday

2. The quality depends on who the podees are - is terribly variable (Niall is arrogant, Birch provides a modicum of insight occasionally only, McClure diabolical and Wilson is Wilson)

3. The Thursday tips pod is usually Andrew Wu and Peter Ryan. When it's just these two - it's pretty listenable.

I don't care about other teams. That's why I just listen to the Demonland podders.

1 hour ago, picket fence said:

A worry NO its more than that... Jack Viney missing a 4th game from concussion should scream..

NO MORE... Think Gus, J..V He has young family. Has made some $$ So Jack ..can u risk another hit this season???

Um nar, great player ( even though I have been critical at times)

Um time to think beyond the present

NO MORE

Paid u dues great career!🤩

Brayshaw retired due to scans revealing uncorrectable brain damage. Totally different scenario to Viney, who is unable to pass his tests.

To compare the two, you would need Viney to undergo a brain scan.

7 minutes ago, Chook said:

Brayshaw retired due to scans revealing uncorrectable brain damage. Totally different scenario to Viney, who is unable to pass his tests.

To compare the two, you would need Viney to undergo a brain scan.

My guess is he’s had a brain scan

6 minutes ago, Roost it far said:

My guess is he’s had a brain scan

If so, then they would already know if there is structural damage. The lack of immediate retirement says there hasn't been (which is a good thing).

5 minutes ago, Chook said:

If so, then they would already know if there is structural damage. The lack of immediate retirement says there hasn't been (which is a good thing).

Fingers crossed

27 minutes ago, Chook said:

Brayshaw retired due to scans revealing uncorrectable brain damage. Totally different scenario to Viney, who is unable to pass his tests.

To compare the two, you would need Viney to undergo a brain scan.

I expect that he had one during the first week. Not everything shows in a CT however.

As it seems everyone goes for AI these days (is natural intelligence a thing of the past?🙄) here is what I found asking CT vs MRI vs PET for concussion

In assessing concussions, CT scans are used to rule out serious injuries like bleeds and skull fractures, while MRI is more sensitive for detecting subtle structural changes and axonal injuries, and PET scans are used to assess brain metabolism and function. CT scans are typically used as a first line of imaging, and MRI may be used if CT findings are inconclusive or if concussion symptoms persist. PET scans are not typically used for routine concussion assessment but can be used to assess brain function and metabolism. 

Here's a more detailed breakdown:

• CT Scan:

  CT scans are quick and efficient, making them ideal for quickly assessing for major injuries like bleeds, hematomas, and fractures. They are helpful in ruling out more serious traumatic brain injuries, but they may not detect subtle structural changes associated with concussion. 

• MRI:

  MRI is more sensitive than CT for detecting subtle changes in the brain, including axonal injuries (DAI) and small bleeds, which may be missed on CT. It can also provide more detailed information about brain tissue structure. However, MRI is not typically the first choice for concussion assessment, as it is not usually required unless there are concerns about other brain injuries or if concussion symptoms persist. 

• PET Scan:

  PET scans assess brain metabolism and function, providing information about how brain cells are using glucose and oxygen. They can detect changes in brain activity that may not be visible on CT or MRI, and they are useful in research studies and some cases of chronic traumatic encephalopathy (CTE) diagnosis. However, PET scans are not routinely used for concussion assessment. 

In essence:

• CT scans are used to rule out serious injuries. 

• MRI is used to assess for more subtle structural changes and axonal injuries. 

• PET scans are used to assess brain function and metabolism. 

• Neuroimaging in Traumatic Brain Imaging - PMC - PubMed Central

  Neither PET nor SPECT imaging is used routinely in the acute management of head trauma. Both have limited availability especially ...

  National Institutes of Health (NIH) (.gov)

• Imaging Technologies Used to Diagnose a Concussion

  24 Jan 2019 — The largest difference between a PET scan, CT scan, MRI scan, and a SPECT scan, is that a PET scan can address and unde...

  Cognitive FX

• Do You Know the Differences Between a CT, MRI and PET Scan?

  22 Feb 2017 — A PET scan is used to diagnose cancer, heart disease, and some brain disorders. It supplies information that's differen...

  Mallinckrodt Institute of Radiology

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This is for informational purposes only. For medical advice or diagnosis, consult a professional. AI responses may include mistakes.

I wonder, given the very slow progress, whether he has also had MRI and or PET?

Yet again the filth's play being governed completely diff to the opponent.

The Filth- Kick off the ground on right angles to the boundary, no one near it. Throw in.

The Hawks - kick of the ground in congested loose ball contest goes forward 25 meters perpendicular to the boundary line, bounces about 4 or 5 times before finally rolling over the line .... deliberate.

14 minutes ago, Demon Dynasty said:

Yet again the filth's play being governed completely diff to the opponent.

The Filth- Kick off the ground on right angles to the boundary, no one near it. Throw in.

The Hawks - kick of the ground in congested loose ball contest goes forward 25 meters perpendicular to the boundary line, bounces about 4 or 5 times before finally rolling over the line .... deliberate.

I’m really not sure Hawthorn can complain about umpiring