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PREGAME: Rd 08 vs West Coast

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1 hour ago, Adam The God said:

We'll agree to disagree, @M_9 . I can't see AJ kicking 2 goals every 3 weeks.

Including the pre-season match v Freo and his round one game AJ has kicked 2.4. (1.2 each game). They're the figures I went with.

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    1 hour ago, Macca said:

    It's more a case if 'have-to' with JVR being the part time ruck

    If it's not him, then it's Fullarton or AJ as only 1 of the 3 gets a game under normal circumstances

    It's interesting that we were happy to go with just the one tall forward (predominantly) in the last 2 games (Petty)

    We've looked far more potent (and mobile) with a mainly medium sized forward line (we've also laid a lot more tackles and locked the ball more in our forward line as well ... in the last 2 matches)

    Helps when we're no longer predominantly bombing the ball forward (as a default move)

    Back-track to the first game of the season when we played 3 talls forwards with all 3 barely touching the ball (AJ, Jefferson & JVR) ... can't imagine playing all 3 in the same team now

    Right now, playing 2 of the 3 is 1 too many

    Why are we obsessed with 195 forwards when other teams are 200+ At least fullarton has some height - don't see too many defenders outmarking him, even if he doesn't.

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    1 hour ago, Macca said:

    In the last 2 games we only played 2 talls in the forward line so we might expect the same looking ahead

    Surely JVR can ruck for 15% of the game. Doing that can get him involved in the game and I'm not sure it effects his play in the forward line anyway

    In my view, if JVR comes into the side it will be at the expense of Fullarton. Which means JVR will be expected to contest about 15% of the ruck duels

    Petty to play deeper forward than JVR if we go with that 2 pronged attack is my bet

    But AJ* might come in for Fullarton instead anyway. It's one or the other, not both

    If AJ comes in, he would be best suited deep forward with Petty out at CHF

    For balance, JVR to come in over AJ (assuming Fullarton has a spell in the ressies)

    When JVR rucks Gawn can have a spell on the bench or play deep forward with Petty out at CHF (so a rotating forward line as such)

    Reckon Disco is ahead of AJ

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    2 minutes ago, M_9 said:

    I may not have been clear. I meant if AJ played the next 15 games I'd expect him to kick around 10 goals in total.

    Including the pre-season match v Freo and his round one game AJ has kicked 2.4. (1.2 each game). They're the figures I went with.


    2 minutes ago, stinga said:

    Why are we obsessed with 195 forwards when other teams are 200+ At least fullarton has some height - don't see too many defenders outmarking him, even if he doesn't.

    Fullarton (sp?) was serviceable in his first game, which may be his ceiling. Given we have JVR, AJ and Disco all waiting to come back in - and all of whom can probably exceed serviceability (tbc), I don't think we'd lose much by dropping him.

    On the other hand, maybe a run of games (similar to what JVR and Fritta were given) could help him?

    I have no idea how selection at this club works so wont pretend to try and understand. What I will do is drink 4 fingers of ouzo, spin myself around, then throw an arrow at a dart board.

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    3 minutes ago, stinga said:

    Why are we obsessed with 195 forwards when other teams are 200+ At least fullarton has some height - don't see too many defenders outmarking him, even if he doesn't.

    Fullarton has not shown enough so his height is not an advantage. He did ok against Freo but was largely invisible against the Tigers. JVR or AJ will probably replace him

    Playing as a permanent key forward is really hard work these days. Way less space to lead into so a KPF needs a few other tricks

    Years ago, many teams had at least 2 decent forwards. Nowadays, good key forwards are scarce due to the nature of how much the sport has changed

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    7 minutes ago, D Rev said:

    Reckon Disco is ahead of AJ

    I see Turner as more of a backman as his forward craft is not that good. Still, he'll probably get a few more chances forward

    Our best tall forward is Petty but unless we recruit a decent FB, Petty is possibly destined to fill May's role (down the track)

    If we can get hold of some decent draft picks, we might be able to lure a decent (experienced) KPF in the off-season

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    Ins: Turner, JVR.....I think both are part of our best 22 and need to be back in the side.

    Outs: Fullerton, Sharp.......I'm not sure either is best 22 although Sharp as sub is ok.

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    20 minutes ago, stinga said:

    Why are we obsessed with 195 forwards when other teams are 200+ At least fullarton has some height - don't see too many defenders outmarking him, even if he doesn't.

    Oh cmon there’s more to footy than not being out marked and being tall, actually marking the ball getting a kick, physical presence & competitiveness, he’s done none.

    He deserved a go with some ok VFL form & no other options to choose from from but has been totally underwhelming

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    1 hour ago, Macca said:

    For those who watched the Casey game against the Tigers

    What role did JVR play? A roaming forward or more stay at home? And did he do any rucking?

    And did AJ play deep forward or further out from goal? (or a combination of both?)

    We had 3 tall forwards in AJ, JVR and Jefferson plus two rucks in Campbell and Verall.

    I do recall JVR marking on the wing but in the main JVR's marks were in the pocket (I think). AJ got a few almost dead in front but 2:5 let him down. Can't recall JVR rucking.

    If anything we now have too many talls/rucks at Casey. I'd prefer to see them rotated through the backline for experience rather than benched. Then again Kentfield was down back.

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    I wished Fullerton offered more

    van Rooyen has done his time and should get another crack

    Spargo or Tholstrup may make way for Melksham? Sharp also as 23rd?

    In - van Rooyen

    Out - Fullerton

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    Interesting week, lots of players vying for spots and plenty in decent form too. Huge game, win and win well and our season has a faint pulse, lose and we’re done. What we put up against WC in Perth last year was embarrassing, I hope the boys remember and it spurs them on to make a statement.

    Oprions:

    JVR, AJ Or TC for Fullarton

    Melksham for Tholstrup or Fritsch

    Turner or Adams if May is out or potentially Turner in with Riv returning to the midfield and someone else out, Sharp out as sub maybe?

    I think the Turner forward experiment should end. He looked like peak Jake Lever in the Freo game and should get the chance to show more of that.

    My guess is

    In JVR Turner Melksham

    Out Fullerton, Fritsch, Sharp

    Tholstrup to sub

    Although Ghosty just mentioned there’s a vibe around TC at training so maybe he comes in for Fullerton and JVR keeps working on his leading in the VFL. That’d be really interesting, I think TC could compete aerially as well if not better than Fullerton forward, offers a lot more in the ruck, the only downside being he’s slow, but with only two/one tall forwards for most of the game that could work?

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    2 hours ago, Dees1911 said:

    If we are playing Petty forward, why cant he and JVR share the 2nd ruck duties, so as not to put too much pressure on JVR.

    I am in the camp of letting JVR just work on his forward craft without having to go into ruck, but they need to get him to start leading at the ball carrier rather than just put hand up all the time, whether the ruck duties affect his ability to do this, I am not sure.

    Who has the club got to teach JvR how to play as a forward? Chaplin? Chocco? Mark Jackson?!

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    2 hours ago, stinga said:

    Why are we obsessed with 195 forwards when other teams are 200+ At least fullarton has some height - don't see too many defenders outmarking him, even if he doesn't.

    Because Fullerton doesn’t play as a 200cm marking fwd, you would think he was 170cm and 60kg if you watch him. Just get pushed off the mark like he is a child playing against men

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    A massive danger game this weekend. West Coast have been alright the last fortnight and lead Essendon by 5 goals at home at one stage. They showed in 3 games last year in Perth (Vs Freo, Melbourne and Richmond) that when they click they can be quite unstoppable with their attacking style of footy and Jake Waterman dominating up front.

    We essentially need to be 3 goals in front at 3 qtr time due to our inability to score in 4th quarters. We've kicked a total of 7 goals across all of our last quarters which is seriously concerning and the trend disappointingly continued last Thursday night when we had Richmond on toast early in the last quarter and looked to have killed their spirit.

    A loss would be disappointing but from from surprising.

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    5 hours ago, jnrmac said:

    I'm a fan of playing players going back to their home town. They lift a cog when playing in front of family and friends. It creates player goodwill as well. JVR, McVee, Rivers and Kolt to star this week

    This. Absolutely agree.

    I feel Kolt especially cares, so I hope he plays and isn’t starting sub.

    The curious case of JVR … maybe part of his problem is that he’s trying too hard? He appears panicked / rushed

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    I can’t see any world where our starting 22 contains both Fritsch and Melksham.

    Goody mentioned we have been playing shorter down back than we’d like so I expect Turner to play.

    Fullerton surely wont be persevered with after last weeks showing.

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    3 hours ago, deejammin' said:

    vibe around TC at training so maybe he comes in for Fullerton and JVR keeps working on his leading in the VFL

    Except that the bloody useless VFL has yet another bye for Casey this week.

    And, this should be a warning for the AFL - 19 team means that there will be the same problem making an excuse for the greedy buggers to push for a 20th term, despite the further dilution of the talent pool that would involve.

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    4 hours ago, D Rev said:

    Reckon Disco is ahead of AJ

    but are Disco and AJ vying for the same spot?

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    Forecast for Saturday in Perth 90% chance of heavy showers, drops down to between 40-60% during the game with moderate South Westerly winds

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    1 hour ago, Lil_red_fire_engine said:

    I can’t see any world where our starting 22 contains both Fritsch and Melksham.

    Goody mentioned we have been playing shorter down back than we’d like so I expect Turner to play.

    Fullerton surely wont be persevered with after last weeks showing.

    So does that mean Rivers pushes into the midfield then?

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    6 hours ago, M_9 said:

    Including the pre-season match v Freo and his round one game AJ has kicked 2.4. (1.2 each game). They're the figures I went with.

    He played Round 3 vs Gold Coast too though, so isn’t his average less than a goal a game?

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    4 hours ago, M_9 said:

    Who has the club got to teach JvR how to play as a forward? Chaplin? Chocco? Mark Jackson?!

    Good idea.

    Get Jacko to teach Van Rooyen how to lead.

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