3 minutes ago, The Cult of Disco Turner said:

Look, I didn’t want to have to do this, but it is time to take a stand.

If Trac leaves I’m gonna have no choice but to unfollow OnTrac5 and find a new purveyor of quick, easy, high protein weeknight dinner recipes.

It hurts me, but if Trac is no longer a Demon I simply cannot and will not support his chicken fajitas or pesto chicken flatbreads anymore.

(Thank you for your attention to this matter)

Yep. Back to the chiko rolls and dim sims. He can shove his fajitas up his [censored].

I'm perplexed by all those who are hurt and sad on here.

We're a bottom 6 team now two years in the running. With this guy at the forefront butchering passes, missing easy set shots, trying to shrug 5 and then dragging our image through the dirt.

If we want change, then things need to change.

He was brilliant at his peak when he went chips in on the team and game plan and his fitness. He's not been the same since he emerged as a top 5 player.

He might rediscover it elsewhere because he cares too much about what people think not to put in an extraordinary effort at a new club. But it wouldn't have happened with us. Ergo, moving him on is clearly the best thing for us.

I'm excited to see what we can make of it and how it can change the balance and focus of the team.

Edited 9 hours ago9 hr by fr_ap

On 24/09/2025 at 20:04, The Jackson FIX said:

I understand that.

But clubs can’t control the quality of a draft pool.

And I’m yet to see a club throw in more because their first rounder doesn’t yield as quality a player as it might have in previous years.

My opinion only, but the value of a first rounder seems to fluctuate more in supporters’ eyes than it does in the eyes of list management teams in trade negotiations.

The Jake Lever trade! You definitely have seen a club throw in extra on-paper draft pick value because the draft in question was expected to be weak.

We really looked like we paid significant 'overs' for Lever but in the end, no regrets.

4 minutes ago, Little Goffy said:

The Jake Lever trade! You definitely have seen a club throw in extra on-paper draft pick value because the draft in question was expected to be weak.

We really looked like we paid significant 'overs' for Lever but in the end, no regrets.

Pick 10 2017 and a future first 2018 for Lever. Are you insinuating the 2018 draft was weak? The first round was brilliant

2 hours ago, Demonsone said:

Lots of questions need to be asked of how we manage to stuff up our only Norm Smith Medalist! I’m disappointed in Trac also as the other leaders are not jumping ship and instead of being part of the solution he wants out, the selfless has gone!

Fagan spoke about brotherhood amongst the playing group, hope King can develop this and feel for him losing a player like Trac, why would he want to keep him now, what message is that sending to the group, it’s not team it’s Me, Me, Me,

As others have mentioned Trac is best described as a meecenary. He doesn’t buy into britherhood. He is playing for himself and life after footy.

Now I’m not saying that the MFC is innocent in all of this but what is it we did wrong by him? The whole Kings birthday incident was not our fault. We just saw Jezza go back out on field in the GF. For all we could have known he may have been risk amputation… what if that had happened? Is Geelong suddenly to blame given Gezza insisted to play on. As you also saw Starcevich chose to exit the game on his own accord he said he could have played on.

Trac leaving is a good thing IMV. I can’t wait to hear the stories we will hear about him once he is gone

16 minutes ago, Greg Schneider said:

Pick 10 2017 and a future first 2018 for Lever. Are you insinuating the 2018 draft was weak? The first round was brilliant

For some reason that draft became a personal curiosity for me. It wasn't weak as such, but a funny 'shape'. The top dozen were looking great (and have for the most part fulfilled that promise) and then it got very even. After all, Sparrow and Jordon are among the most games played outside that top dozen or so.

I'm sure we were banking on improvement, which thankfully came, but also there were three academy picks in the first round, and Gold Coast got pick 3 as compensation for free agent Lynch, so our traded pick ended up being pick 19, Liam Stoker for Carlton.

From Pick 14 to 32, ten players are already delisted, and only five have played a hundred games, which includes Tom Sparrow. The late first round into the second round was kind of a soft belly.

Not all of that could have been predicted, but the probabilities would have been considered.

Anyway, just for amusement's sake, how much would you expect a discount to trade picks from 2001 for picks in 2003? Now that's a banger and a clanger!

1 hour ago, At the break of Gawn said:

I'm pretty indifferent on Trac staying or going. With a new reign beginning under King, I can see an upside on both sides of the equation.

I certainly won't lose any sleep about Melbourne's most expensive butcher becoming Adelaide's most expensive butcher.

What I do care about is a fair deal. Lamb will no doubt focus on Petracca's past achievements compared to his future potential when it comes to negotiations. I can't see a deal being done unless there's a player component if I'm being honest. Did you know Josh Worrell is from Vic? 😅

Hmm, Lamb trading a butcher.

The playing group is fractured. Buckley said as much and it's been rumoured for years.

Tracc will leave the club that posted he would be back in six to eight weeks while he was receiving a life saving blood transfusion without ringing him that night this season or the next.

20 minutes ago, Norm Smith's Curse said:

The playing group is fractured. Buckley said as much and it's been rumoured for years.

Tracc will leave the club that posted he would be back in six to eight weeks while he was receiving a life saving blood transfusion without ringing him that night this season or the next.

What’s the cause of the so called fracture & who’s responsible for it

9 minutes ago, Demonsone said:

What’s the cause of the so called fracture & who’s responsible for it

When did Buckley say this?

18 minutes ago, Norm Smith's Curse said:

The playing group is fractured. Buckley said as much and it's been rumoured for years.

Tracc will leave the club that posted he would be back in six to eight weeks while he was receiving a life saving blood transfusion without ringing him that night this season or the next.

I’ll wager that Trac has significantly contributed to the situation.

For what it’s worth:

1. Fracture commenced with Oliver’s hammy early 2023 AFAIK.

2. The biggest event to destabilise the list was undoubtedly Gus’s KO in the QF. Wasn’t Trac the one who let Maynard into Gus house to apologise? I’d say a lot of what we have now is due to the lack of leadership that Gus was able to bring.

3. We also had Entrecôte.

4. Multiple players with behavioural issues on the list

5. Tracs NDE and ensuing Shannon Knoll banger moment.

So this club been through quite a fair bit when I put it all on one page.

The people still there and wanting to make it better are the ones you want to keep. Those that choose to play elsewhere and take the easy road are better gone.

The other thing I’ll mention is that a lot of our players tested the waters when contracts were being renegotiated. Gus, Jack, Kozzy etc took a bit of work. I think giving Clarry and Trac those big deals whilst others were accepting unders probably rubbed some ppl the wrong way.,

Edited 7 hours ago7 hr by GS_1905

Why aren't we hearing about the good conversation between CP and the new coach, and the consequences?

13 minutes ago, GS_1905 said:

I’ll wager that Trac has significantly contributed to the situation.

For what it’s worth:

1. Fracture commenced with Oliver’s hammy early 2023 AFAIK.

2. The biggest event to destabilise the list was undoubtedly Gus’s KO in the QF. Wasn’t Trac the one who let Maynard into Gus house to apologise? I’d say a lot of what we have now is due to the lack of leadership that Gus was able to bring.

3. We also had Entrecôte.

4. Multiple players with behavioural issues on the list

5. Tracs NDE and ensuing Shannon Knoll banger moment.

So this club been through quite a fair bit when I put it all on one page.

The people still there and wanting to make it better are the ones you want to keep. Those that choose to play elsewhere and take the easy road are better gone.

The other thing I’ll mention is that a lot of our players tested the waters when contracts were being renegotiated. Gus, Jack, Kozzy etc took a bit of work. I think giving Clarry and Trac those big deals whilst others were accepting unders probably rubbed some ppl the wrong way.,

Wait what? Trac opened the door to Maynard at Brayshaw's as part of Flowergate!?!!! This thread has officially jumped the shark! Love it!!!

2 hours ago, fr_ap said:

I'm perplexed by all those who are hurt and sad on here.

We're a bottom 6 team now two years in the running. With this guy at the forefront butchering passes, missing easy set shots, trying to shrug 5 and then dragging our image through the dirt.

If we want change, then things need to change.

He was brilliant at his peak when he went chips in on the team and game plan and his fitness. He's not been the same since he emerged as a top 5 player.

He might rediscover it elsewhere because he cares too much about what people think not to put in an extraordinary effort at a new club. But it wouldn't have happened with us. Ergo, moving him on is clearly the best thing for us.

I'm excited to see what we can make of it and how it can change the balance and focus of the team.

Yep me too. All in or get out.

I know he's been seriously injured but his kicking is a hot mess.

You're not a dangerous mid fielder if you can't kick a bloody goal.

Hope we just get rid of his salary and pull one or two diamonds in the rough.

I'm more disappointed about losing McVee

I always found it odd that when we brought in Jordan Lewis to the club, there was a big narrative about star players taking less so we could better retain players.

However, Trac and Clarry are both reportedly on anywhere between 2.8-3.2 mil per year between them. Could even throw in Kozzy and we have 4.5mil a year tied up in 3 players. Since those deals have been given out, we haven't been able to recruit a big fish.

The fact that Gawn has never been our highest earner says something to me. Some players let their agents twist the clubs arm to keep them, while others did the team thing.

20 minutes ago, GS_1905 said:

I’m I’ll wager that Trac has significantly contributed to the situation.

For what it’s worth:

1. Fracture commenced with Oliver’s hammy early 2023 AFAIK.

2. The biggest event to destabilise the list was undoubtedly Gus’s KO in the QF. Wasn’t Trac the one who let Maynard into Gus house to apologise? I’d say a lot of what we have now is due to the lack of leadership that Gus was able to bring.

3. We also had Entrecôte.

4. Multiple players with behavioural issues on the list

5. Tracs NDE and ensuing Shannon Knoll banger moment.

So this club been through quite a fair bit when I put it all on one page.

The people still there and wanting to make it better are the ones you want to keep. Those that choose to play elsewhere and take the easy road are better gone.

The other thing I’ll mention is that a lot of our players tested the waters when contracts were being renegotiated. Gus, Jack, Kozzy etc took a bit of work. I think giving Clarry and Trac those big deals whilst others were accepting unders probably rubbed some ppl the wrong way.,

1 hour ago, GS_1905 said:

I’ll wager that Trac has significantly contributed to the situation.

For what it’s worth:

1. Fracture commenced with Oliver’s hammy early 2023 AFAIK.

2. The biggest event to destabilise the list was undoubtedly Gus’s KO in the QF. Wasn’t Trac the one who let Maynard into Gus house to apologise? I’d say a lot of what we have now is due to the lack of leadership that Gus was able to bring.

3. We also had Entrecôte.

4. Multiple players with behavioural issues on the list

5. Tracs NDE and ensuing Shannon Knoll banger moment.

So this club been through quite a fair bit when I put it all on one page.

The people still there and wanting to make it better are the ones you want to keep. Those that choose to play elsewhere and take the easy road are better gone.

The other thing I’ll mention is that a lot of our players tested the waters when contracts were being renegotiated. Gus, Jack, Kozzy etc took a bit of work. I think giving Clarry and Trac those big deals whilst others were accepting unders probably rubbed some ppl the wrong way.,

1 hour ago, GS_1905 said:

I’ll wager that Trac has significantly contributed to the situation.

For what it’s worth:

1. Fracture commenced with Oliver’s hammy early 2023 AFAIK.

2. The biggest event to destabilise the list was undoubtedly Gus’s KO in the QF. Wasn’t Trac the one who let Maynard into Gus house to apologise? I’d say a lot of what we have now is due to the lack of leadership that Gus was able to bring.

3. We also had Entrecôte.

4. Multiple players with behavioural issues on the list

5. Tracs NDE and ensuing Shannon Knoll banger moment.

So this club been through quite a fair bit when I put it all on one page.

The people still there and wanting to make it better are the ones you want to keep. Those that choose to play elsewhere and take the easy road are better gone.

The other thing I’ll mention is that a lot of our players tested the waters when contracts were being renegotiated. Gus, Jack, Kozzy etc took a bit of work. I think giving Clarry and Trac those big deals whilst others were accepting unders probably rubbed some ppl the wrong way.,

Tracs NDE?

Ultimately player behaviour falls at the feet of the coaching/footy dept, did Goodwin fail in this , Alan Richardson?

All clubs have some players on getting paid a lot more, didn’t impact the Swans after signing Buddy on a ten year deal

i think an element in this may be that Trac and Gus were best mates and he also grew up playing footy with Oliver. Gus’s career went down in a terrible way and the dees were shown up as too small a club to disrupt the disgraceful collingwood media bias. And he no doubt watched Oliver disappearing into wherever he went without the club intervening. Of course he then has a life threatening injury that no doubt makes him re consider everything.

So… between one thing and another Trac wants to get away and not lead the club out. It ultimately says as much about him as us imo. King has his work cut out for this team to start gelling again. I hope he’s got it in him.

MFC still is in a strong bargaining position regardless if Trac going to the Crows is good for MFC playing group, culture etc. (Thanks for nothing btw, ANB)

Trac is a top-shelf medallist. How many top shelf medallists do the crows have?

Dawson, Thilthorp, Rankine only to be considered.

Same for GC, only Matt Rowell or Noah Anderson to be considered.

or 2 x top10 draft pics not watered down, but actual top 10s

End of.

not going to happen

4 hours ago, GS_1905 said:

I’ll wager that Trac has significantly contributed to the situation.

For what it’s worth:

1. Fracture commenced with Oliver’s hammy early 2023 AFAIK.

2. The biggest event to destabilise the list was undoubtedly Gus’s KO in the QF. Wasn’t Trac the one who let Maynard into Gus house to apologise? I’d say a lot of what we have now is due to the lack of leadership that Gus was able to bring.

3. We also had Entrecôte.

4. Multiple players with behavioural issues on the list

5. Tracs NDE and ensuing Shannon Knoll banger moment.

So this club been through quite a fair bit when I put it all on one page.

The people still there and wanting to make it better are the ones you want to keep. Those that choose to play elsewhere and take the easy road are better gone.

The other thing I’ll mention is that a lot of our players tested the waters when contracts were being renegotiated. Gus, Jack, Kozzy etc took a bit of work. I think giving Clarry and Trac those big deals whilst others were accepting unders probably rubbed some ppl the wrong way.,

You have contradicted yourself yourself big time.

You made the statement that Trac has contributed significantly to our off field situation, only to then list off a few dot points which one point was basically off the back of a freak on field injury and another that you have taken a stab guess at (Maynard) because why not just blame Petracca eh?

“The reason (Maynard) was let into the house I think was because Max Gawn and Christian Petracca happened to be there and Max Gawn let him in,” Wilson said on Channel 9’s Footy Classified.

Majority of those off field matters had nothing to do with Petracca at all.

3 hours ago, MurDoc516 said:

I always found it odd that when we brought in Jordan Lewis to the club, there was a big narrative about star players taking less so we could better retain players.

However, Trac and Clarry are both reportedly on anywhere between 2.8-3.2 mil per year between them. Could even throw in Kozzy and we have 4.5mil a year tied up in 3 players. Since those deals have been given out, we haven't been able to recruit a big fish.

The fact that Gawn has never been our highest earner says something to me. Some players let their agents twist the clubs arm to keep them, while others did the team thing.

I think you will find in this day and age majority of players at every club test the market! Disruption just makes it worse!

I’m not sure on this years stats, but for everyone bucketing Trac, he has had a lot of goal assists at Melbourne and that will need to be replaced.

It is imperative we get a good deal for him.

Suns have more to offer than the Crows and there are possibly some other clubs who may have something we need!

6 hours ago, Little Goffy said:

The Jake Lever trade! You definitely have seen a club throw in extra on-paper draft pick value because the draft in question was expected to be weak.

We really looked like we paid significant 'overs' for Lever but in the end, no regrets.

The request from Adelaide was always ‘2 first rounders’ for a bloke in a position that was in vogue. In fact, their negotiations jumped around drafts, eventually landing on a first in one draft and then another first in a separate draft after they rejected a first and a second in the 2018 draft (which was considered one of the better drafts of the last couple of decades).

Adelaide ended up trading us a few later upgrades just so they could secure their arbitrary ‘2 first rounders’.

2 hours ago, Wells 11 said:

i think an element in this may be that Trac and Gus were best mates and he also grew up playing footy with Oliver. Gus’s career went down in a terrible way and the dees were shown up as too small a club to disrupt the disgraceful collingwood media bias. And he no doubt watched Oliver disappearing into wherever he went without the club intervening. Of course he then has a life threatening injury that no doubt makes him re consider everything.

So… between one thing and another Trac wants to get away and not lead the club out. It ultimately says as much about him as us imo. King has his work cut out for this team to start gelling again. I hope he’s got it in him.

There's something to this imho.

Traccs been a great player for tge Dees and as another suggests just as likely to become reinvigorated elsewhere. He just can't find that old mojo with us now. If he goes ( still more than likely ) i couldn't care less where.. Just get something Dees and move on.

What we are learning, for mine is that Tracc as a leader makes a good goalpost. The Leader we've so terribly missed is GUS.

The #5 Train is only just building up steam.

It's now day 2 ( unofficially) of the 🎪

Talk about watch this space lol

In the days following that queens birthday game( I think Lizzy was still around) I never had more respect for Trac and for the first time saw him as the natural leader to replace Max. A man that would lead by example, and literal put his body on the line for the club.

At that point he was probably only second to Max in terms of how much respect I had for him, now I have none.

It’s not that he’s leaving as I still have respect for Nibbler and JJ amongst others it’s the way he’s went about it mainly last year and clearly he never wanted to be here all season.

I do believe it’s best he goes from the clubs point of view. We need to continued our rebuild as fast as possible and we don’t have first rounder this year so we need to trade out at least one player with high value.

Writing was on the wall at hisB&F speech…

18 minutes ago, Demonsone said:

Writing was on the wall at hisB&F speech…

That slipup... 😉