3 hours ago, cookieboc said:

sometimes I wonder if both CP5 and oliver held the club over a barrel and demanded big $$ or they would look elsewhere

If so, golden handcuffs is what the Club gave them. Now they have to get the golden keys for the Club if they want to get out.

Dare I say it after today's revelations?

So many Oliver twists!

...but not the 2026.

I understand that King, Guerra, Lamb etc are all thinking about the best interests of the club, but when you lose arguably 2 of your most liked players amongst the fan base (Pickett and Gawn probably the most liked) you're going to see a dip in membership. If we start with a similar 0-5 next year with another bottom 8 finish, I can almost guarantee you we'll have the smallest membership number in Vic by the end of 2026.

On 30/09/2025 at 07:53, Demonsone said:

What’s occurred since the 21 flag within the playing group which is well documented, the failure by the footy dept to nip this in butt ,the off field issues with presidents, CEOs and the admission by Goodwin it was right to sack him and they failed to define what their purpose was after the flag is such a sad train wreck when you compare what the lions have achieved!

Clearly after almost 60 years of no cup, we were satisfied with one and have now gone back to the veil of negativity.

4 hours ago, Ted Lasso said:

Not to mention Bailey Smiths blatant homophobic mad Monday costume, that received no punishment, yet Rankine got 4 weeks for 1 word.

Homophobic?

Clarke did this when he first got to hawthorn. Cleaned out the senior popular guys, but then look at what happened with their success.

Maybe king just never rated Oliver. Anyway he's cleared out 2 players who were in the top 4 worst kicks.

Clarry has continued the banter in the GWS Instagram page.

I think what I feel most disappointed by is the fact that Clarry loves club. I don't know if I could say the same about Trac now. I think I'd prefer a heart n soul player than a player half in half out.

I do really just hope they challenged Oliver to add strings to his bow, and that he'll have a point to prove to the new coach. Or, he'll move clubs, then prove that point by tearing us a new one when we play him!

In summary:

• Trac not invested, wants to leave, we probably want to (and possibly will) keep him.

• Oliver loves club, doesn't want to leave, we want to shift him on.

• May/Judd...NFI what's the go there.

6 minutes ago, Trust The Process said:

I think what I feel most disappointed by is the fact that Clarry loves club. I don't know if I could say the same about Trac now. I think I'd prefer a heart n soul player than a player half in half out.

I do really just hope they challenged Oliver to add strings to his bow, and that he'll have a point to prove to the new coach. Or, he'll move clubs, then prove that point by tearing us a new one when we play him!

In summary:

• Trac not invested, wants to leave, we probably want to (and possibly will) keep him.

• Oliver loves club, doesn't want to leave, we want to shift him on.

• May/Judd...NFI what's the go there.

Clarry doesn’t love the club enough to evolve his role within the team, it seems.

19 minutes ago, dazzledavey36 said:

Well no ch it Sherlock!

These are our premiership heroes and its so sad that so many won't play out their careers (or most of it) with the club. l know list mgmt are 'charged' with improving the club but you need to be careful you don't go to far. Personally l wouldn't want clarry to leave and pay half his salary at the same time particularly if we don't have someone on the hook. Back him in to play a different role if he is open to it

1 hour ago, Fritta and Turner said:

I heard he likes to ruck

Typo?

Doesn't go well for Viney either because he's slower than Oliver and Trac with the same skills. People are now seeing what people have been saying for the last couple of years a one-paced, lack of skilled midfield.

Edited Thursday at 12:471 day by demon3165

The love fest is over

42 minutes ago, dees189227 said:

Clarke did this when he first got to hawthorn. Cleaned out the senior popular guys, but then look at what happened with their success.

Maybe king just never rated Oliver. Anyway he's cleared out 2 players who were in the top 4 worst kicks.

But they weren't premiership players if l recall ...

21 minutes ago, demon3165 said:

Doesn't go well for Viney either because he's slower than Oliver and Trac with the same skills. People are now seeing what people have been saying for the last couple of years a one-paced, lack of skilled midfield.

Viney given his courage has been playing banged up for many seasons despite not missing many games. Now he has to carry the heavy inside mid load mostly by himself next season. Will his aging body hang tough?

22 minutes ago, dees189227 said:

The love fest is over

What a waste that review was last year. I think what we are seeing is what Goody and his confidants worked so hard to keep together. He probably thought it was worth it but all it did was disenfranchise the rest of the team with the double standards that must have been forced to accomodate to every wish and demand of these two.

It really is a shame it had to come to this but I think in the long run we needed a King to come in - someone who doesn’t owe anything to anybody - and reset the whole place. Gonna be a few hard years I just hope that Gawny and Vines get to go when we are competing and not when we are in the dumps.

4 hours ago, waynewussell said:

If we can believe TM, several clubs will be coming for Clayton because we are prepared to pay a large portion of his wage for the next x years. At least a few may have something juicy to offer in return

Rachele from Adelaide and Humphrey and Flanders from Suns and bang, we're transformed.

If there is enough interest in Clarry because we agree to pay $700k pa of his wage, then we can leverage the competition of interest to a deal that benefits us.

800 posts since 7.00am this morning

I think I might have taught myself how to speed read

As for the mini exodus, will there be 1 or 2 more? Wouldn't surprise

Rivers, JVR & Fritsch all might be 'Approached'

Anyway, if the club is happy to burn $$$$'s in the cap, the trade off might be that we get picks (or players) coming back instead (for the partial rebuild)

May could garner a late 2nd round pick if we're prepared to pay part of his salary (Est @ $800k?)

McVee maybe an early 2nd rounder

Not sure we'll get anything for Oliver, but if we're paying half his salary for 5 years then a 2nd round pick might be an appropriate trade. Maybe even a late 1st round pick

Not too much to ask considering we might be up for $3.5Million, all-up. That's a lot of money to be given to a rival club, and that amount of money should come at some sort of price

Petracca is the most valuable and if he ends up at the Gold Coast we could get a 1st & 2nd round pick ... it's a bit of an ask but we can't give him away for nothing, considering he's the one who is seeking greener pastures

Spargo 2nd round pick? (compo)

And with all the picks* (1 x 1st Round, 6 x 2nd Round & 2 x 3rd Round approximately), I'd like to see the club let Jason Taylor have a real go with the 2nd & 3rd round picks, and see if he can unearth some gems (instead of recruiting any more experienced NQR's)

We could also package up some picks in order to obtain better placed picks (depending on whether we get hold of X amount of picks in the trade period)

Not all the best draftees are in the top 10 or 20 picked

Losing all these players forces the club into a rebuild of sorts ... and with Tassie coming into the draft in 2027, the time to rebuild is right now

*It should be remembered that we've already committed the salaries of May, Petracca & Oliver into next years cap. And that amounts to about $3.5Million

Edited Thursday at 14:311 day by Macca

50 minutes ago, demon3165 said:

Doesn't go well for Viney either because he's slower than Oliver and Trac with the same skills. People are now seeing what people have been saying for the last couple of years a one-paced, lack of skilled midfield.

You were not the only one, lol. It’s been said, you are just trying to give Viney a drive by as is your want to do.

Have at it - but he ain’t being pushed out of the club froM what I can see

17 minutes ago, John Crow Batty said:

Viney given his courage has been playing banged up for many seasons despite not missing many games. Now he has to carry the heavy inside mid load mostly by himself next season. Will his aging body hang tough?

Viney is the one of the 3 experienced mids I assumed would be depth next season. Oliver and Tracc should be playing their best footy given their age and experience and I expected the new coach to get them working on their weaknesses, while looking to maximise their strengths in the new game plan and giving Viney the bad news. I could understand one of Tracc or Oliver but not both.

2 hours ago, At the break of Gawn said:

I understand that King, Guerra, Lamb etc are all thinking about the best interests of the club, but when you lose arguably 2 of your most liked players amongst the fan base (Pickett and Gawn probably the most liked) you're going to see a dip in membership. If we start with a similar 0-5 next year with another bottom 8 finish, I can almost guarantee you we'll have the smallest membership number in Vic by the end of 2026.

To be honest I'm more likely to join again because they're actually making changes.

I hated watching the last 2 years

2 hours ago, KozzyCan said:

If people think Oliver's last few games were anywhere near his best they have forgotten just how dominant he was at his peak.

I sometimes go back and watch highlights of his performance in our 1 point loss to Adelaide in 2021. He was insane that day. Basically Chris Judd 2.0

It's amazing how far off he is from what he was then.