2 hours ago, Roost it far said:

I’d scrap father sons as well, the club dad played for can outbid other teams but again only if they hold a higher draft pick.

i love the romantacism of father-son selections

it's a very different kettle of fish to the nga malarkey

On 04/12/2024 at 17:22, Lucifers Hero said:

The current rules require the player or at least one parent to be born in 'Asia' or 'Africa' (or have an indigenous background) for a club to have priority access.

Name another sport that has such bizzare rules

8 minutes ago, whatwhat say what said:

i love the romantacism of father-son selections

it's a very different kettle of fish to the nga malarkey

Sure but it’s a truly professional sport now. It makes little sense to me that Brisbane can win the flag and then get a free hit at a top 3 pick because his dad played there. Sure if they can outbid a team with their first pick then go for it. Make the team earn the player to help lessen the overt advantage.

2 hours ago, Roost it far said:

I’d scrap father sons as well, the club dad played for can outbid other teams but again only if they hold a higher draft pick.

How can you take someone with a higher draft pick? The way the draft works you would have used your pick before the player gets bid on.

24 minutes ago, Roost it far said:

Sure but it’s a truly professional sport now. It makes little sense to me that Brisbane can win the flag and then get a free hit at a top 3 pick because his dad played there. Sure if they can outbid a team with their first pick then go for it. Make the team earn the player to help lessen the overt advantage.

I think with F/S they should increase it to minimum 150 or even 200 games, but I hope it stays at some level.

The NGAs will be important to grow the game in minority groups and when used in the right way, is an important tool in growing the game. The issue has been that the AFL bring in rules and then flip flop and change things regularly. It sounds like they are getting back to making them more fair and also fit for purpose, with teams having to register players to their academies 2-3 years before they are eligible to be drafted.

I think with the F/S and NGA they should scrap the 20% reduction if the club decides to trade out their pick that would have been used. Otherwise it’s just double dipping. How many times have we seen the Suns get the player and a first round pick the following year.

So for example Collingwood have traded out their first round pick this year knowing they have a top 10 pick coming through. If anybody bids on him in the first round then they must match the full points value.

My point is that it’s great clubs develop players from “minority” groups although I think the AFL as a whole is massively dropping the ball on indigenous football and participation. So much of it is being left to local, state and others to fund and develop. Anyway on NGA’a and father sons the system I would propose would be that clubs keep developing these guys, I’d also be adding a strong indigenous pathway to and through clubs. Then when the player is of draft age all clubs can pick him but the club where he trained must use their pick in that round if another club selects the player. So in the case of Mac Andrew GC select him at 5 but then Melbourne say, nope, we’ll take him with our first pick at 15(or whatever it was) If Melbourne had already traded their pick from that round then they would need to trade back into that round to select Andrew. If they couldn’t do that and only had a pick in round 2 then they miss Andrew. That way each club is still paying something of value for every player selected. It simplifies the points system and spreads the talent further. GC’s list is reaching talent overload.

21 minutes ago, Roost it far said:

So in the case of Mac Andrew GC select him at 5 but then Melbourne say, nope, we’ll take him with our first pick at 15(or whatever it was) If Melbourne had already traded their pick from that round then they would need to trade back into that round to select Andrew.

that's pretty much the way it used to work

think of heeney - we had pick 2, nominated heeney, bloods matched with pick 18

it was after this that the 'points based' system was introduced, which is why when we bid on callum mills the following year with pick 3 the bloods had to match that value with a succession of later picks and mills was officially pick 3 (and why oliver was pick 4)

it has now become an absolute farce where clubs - particularly gc17 - are banking points via late picks and then selecting 3 players in the top 10 with picks accumulated from the 3rd round on

they've changed that this year to make it harder to match by devaluing the pick points value

1 minute ago, whatwhat say what said:

that's pretty much the way it used to work

think of heeney - we had pick 2, nominated heeney, bloods matched with pick 18

it was after this that the 'points based' system was introduced, which is why when we bid on callum mills the following year with pick 3 the bloods had to match that value with a succession of later picks and mills was officially pick 3 (and why oliver was pick 4)

it has now become an absolute farce where clubs - particularly gc17 - are banking points via late picks and then selecting 3 players in the top 10 with picks accumulated from the 3rd round on

they've changed that this year to make it harder to match by devaluing the pick points value

For mine the simplest system is usually the best. I’ve never bothered trying to grasp the intricacies of the points set up. The mere fact they change it so regularly suggests it’s a poor system to me. Seriously how much longer are we bankrolling GC? They’ll eventually win a flag and headquarters will scream success, the other 99.9% of non Collingwood fans will just be glad Collingwood don’t win. Like, no one cares. Did they ever stop to think about that? The fact that making franchises cheapens the comp in every way except I guess monetarily. Being on holiday really allows me to wax lyrical on here, I take it you’re all loving the extra posts

Edited 23 hours ago23 hr by Roost it far

15 hours ago, Roost it far said:

I find the whole nga thing a bit ridiculous. For mine bar Tassie, as a whole new club, once a player is eligible to be drafted he should join the draft and the club that he trained with should be able to outbid any other bidding teams but only if they hold a higher draft pick. The advantages to northern teams is getting a bit lopsided now.

The NGA's were seemingly only brought in because clubs were whinging about the Northern academies. I agree with the sentiment but the AFL's solution was to basically compromise the draft even further. It's lead to the mess we're in now where the first round is now blowing out until pick 30 leaving rebuilding clubs like North and West Coast in an even bigger hole.

Imo the AFL should ditch the NGA's and put way stronger restrictions on the Northern academies. It is ridiculous that Gold Coast are able to draft 2-3 top twenty quality picks every year through their academy. Right now matching a pick in the draft comes with discounts and encourages teams to trade back their draft position and collect junk picks and futures to improve their position even further. Imo if you are jumping the queue to get an academy or F/S selection you should be made to pay a premium, not a discount.

On 12/05/2025 at 23:15, WERRIDEE said:

Could this be our team next year?

B: Lever, May, McVee

HB: Windsor, Derksen, Bowey

C: Langdon, Langford, Lindsay

HF: Sparrow, Petty, Petracca

F: van Rooyen, Ugle-Hagan, Spargo

FOLL: Gawn, Rivers, Viney

IC: Jackson, Sinnema, White, Chandler

SUB: Tholstrup

I expect Oliver to look for a trade, Fritsch also and if Jackson comes it's more likely to replace Pickett.

NO

The puns will right themselves if he gets drafted and makes the best 23. I can hear Huddo saying "Get the popcorn out" after he kicks his first goal

Great surname for footy

Edited 18 hours ago18 hr by John Demonic

On 13/05/2025 at 13:40, spirit of norm smith said:

Dees will need to hold onto the elite talent and bring in the elite kicks. Not necessarily the elite talent but players who don’t give it away. Unpressed turnovers killed us v hawks on the weekend.

James Strauss and Adem Maric, as I recall, were both drafted because they were touted as “elite kicks”. Unfortunately neither could show if this was true, as neither could win the ball.

Edited 18 hours ago18 hr by monoccular

10 minutes ago, monoccular said:

James Strauss and Adem Maric, as I recall, were both drafted because they were touted as “elite kicks”. Unfortunately neither could show if this was true, as neither could win the ball.

Strauss broke his leg and never ever recovered as a player. It was one of the worst breaks seen. Maric never worked hard enough or had the discipline for AFL footy. Recruiting has come along way since 2008!!

Sinnema gets the footy, that’s not a worry. However just keep in mind ,he’s a runner, he’s an outside player.

11 hours ago, Roost it far said:

I’d scrap father sons as well, the club dad played for can outbid other teams but again only if they hold a higher draft pick.

I understand what you are thinking but a club cannot outbid them with a higher pick as naturally if the pick is higher it has already been used.

On 26/04/2025 at 07:25, manny100 said:

Archie Walsh son of Peter Walsh eligible for Dees as FS.

Plays for Port Adelaide. Tracking well.

Trained at Dees in Feb..

See article in today's HUN regarding AFL draft prospects from SANL.

Might be a chance. Gone under the radar.

MID/HB.

Not for this thread but no where else to put

Got a thread https://demonland.com/forums/topic/61559-archie-walsh-2025-fs-potential/

5 hours ago, hank said:

NO

OK how about this?

B: Lever, May, McVee

HB: Salem, McDonald, Bowey

C: Windsor, Oliver, Langdon

HF: Sparrow, Turner, Petracca

F: Melksham, Petty, Chandler

FOLL: Gawn, Viney, Pickett

IC: Lindsay, Langford, Rivers, Fritsch

SUB: Tholstrup

Casey

B: White, Adams, Howes

HB: Sestan, Derksen, Moniz-Wakefield

C: Sinnema, Laurie, Sharp

HF: Mentha, Johnson, Spargo

F: McAdam, van Rooyen, Jefferson

FOLL: Campbell, Brown, Henderson

IC: Verrall, Walsh

Edited 15 hours ago15 hr by WERRIDEE

I would be happy to see academies & father son go...

It's time for an un-compromised draft.

FS should have been shut down when the AFL came into being.

As for Northern state & minority group development...the AFL should take the responsibility for this.

5 hours ago, rjay said:

I would be happy to see academies & father son go...

It's time for an un-compromised draft.

FS should have been shut down when the AFL came into being.

As for Northern state & minority group development...the AFL should take the responsibility for this.

Keep the FS. I still love the romanticism of it all. Plus, we've got some future father son prospects worth keeping a close eye on.

Academies need to go though. It's getting way too one sided for the northern clubs at a ridiculous rate.

So many GF have been won because of FS. Collingwood with two Daicos boys, Geelong with Albert’s, Hawkins and Scarlett. Brisbane get two Ashcroft boys while contending and winning flags with Will winning the NS.

Added to that the Academies gift players to club. Add Coleman to Brisbane, Heeney, Mills and Guldon to Swans. The Suns will be very powerful for years with 2 or three more first pick academy kids to join them at the end of this year.

It corrupts the competition. How do you think NM fans feel as all those players are taken from the draft as they struggle?

FS romantic? Go and watch Days of Our Lives if you want romantic, I want a fairer competition where more teams have a chance.

I’m with RJay but we ain’t going to get it. Perhaps teams should be limited to one top 10 pick every 3 years or some such rule and no more trading your top pick down for a points bonanza, that’s just a Rory.

3 minutes ago, Slartibartfast said:

So many GF have been won because of FS. Collingwood with two Daicos boys, Geelong with Albert’s, Hawkins and Scarlett. Brisbane get two Ashcroft boys while contending and winning flags with Will winning the NS.

Added to that the Academies gift players to club. Add Coleman to Brisbane, Heeney, Mills and Guldon to Swans. The Suns will be very powerful for years with 2 or three more first pick academy kids to join them at the end of this year.

It corrupts the competition. How do you think NM fans feel as all those players are taken from the draft as they struggle?

FS romantic? Go and watch Days of Our Lives if you want romantic, I want a fairer competition where more teams have a chance.

I’m with RJay but we ain’t going to get it. Perhaps teams should be limited to one top 10 pick every 3 years or some such rule and no more trading your top pick down for a points bonanza, that’s just a Rory.

If we had a Ablett, Hawkins Scarlett helping us win flags you wouldn't be complaining.

Viney, a pivotal member of our premiership team by setting the tone early in the first quarter.

Leave it as it is.

Edited 5 hours ago5 hr by dazzledavey36

10 minutes ago, dazzledavey36 said:

If we had a Ablett, Hawkins Scarlett helping us win flags you wouldn't be complaining.

Oh yes I would Dazzle. The system is broken. Every time a FS or Academy is taken ahead of you your pick is now one lower. We would have had Mills and we bid on Ashcroft.

We probably win a flag in 2023 if the Pies don’t have two Daicos boys. Win or lose, at least you’d know the system isn’t rigged.

Who knows if Viney was the reason we won in 2021, we might have been much better off or we might have missed the 8 in a fair draft system.

I believe the system is unfair and want it changed and whilst FS are romantic I think it’s a small price to pay for a better system.

24 minutes ago, Slartibartfast said:

Oh yes I would Dazzle. The system is broken. Every time a FS or Academy is taken ahead of you your pick is now one lower. We would have had Mills and we bid on Ashcroft.

Just to clarify, your argument for not having academies is that we would have drafted Callum Mills instead of being left with Clayton Oliver? Notwithstanding Oliver's recent issues, that's just bizarre.

Nickname DOLBY ATMOS, coz he is 5.1 surround sound Cinema/Sinnema

1 hour ago, poita said:

Just to clarify, your argument for not having academies is that we would have drafted Callum Mills instead of being left with Clayton Oliver? Notwithstanding Oliver's recent issues, that's just bizarre.

If that’s what you took out of my post then I’m either not expressing myself clearly or you comprehension is very poor.