On 30/08/2024 at 11:54, DubDee said:

In a firesale you generally get a lot less than market value

That's right. I'm sure RM would have liked a more apt metaphor.

Executors' auction?

Thanks for giving me a reason to look up Arrested Development clips 👌

  On 30/08/2024 at 11:00, Mickey said:

We could also end up like GC...

  On 30/08/2024 at 20:16, David-Demon said:

Though...isn't that Collingwood's premises?

I don’t mind the idea, more from a cultural perspective though.

There’s some homesickness and unrest with Trac and Koz, they also happen to be our two most valuable assets.

If we netted 3 picks under 20 and a decent best 22 player under 25, all of whom wanted to be here, change could come quickly and be sustainable whilst Gawn and May are still functioning.

Theres a few guys in our current side who are just barely contributing and there seems to be a very even spread of draft kids out to pick 25-30

 

 

Edited August 30, 2024Aug 30 by BW511

  On 30/08/2024 at 10:59, Demonland said:

I believe picket fence firewood is going cheap!

People are losing their minds.  This thread is the evidence.  LOL

  On 30/08/2024 at 20:42, BW511 said:

I don’t mind the idea, more from a cultural perspective though.

There’s some homesickness and unrest with Trac and Koz, they also happen to be our two most valuable assets.

If we netted 3 picks under 20 and a decent best 22 player under 25, all of whom wanted to be here, change could come quickly and be sustainable whilst Gawn and May are still functioning.

Theres a few guys in our current side who are just barely contributing.

 

 

This was the sort of spitballing I was interested in. I don't have the knowledge to do actual scenarios and I defer to the many on here who do. I'm looking to see if we could get a draft outcome that produced (JT willing) a decade-together cohort of high quality, of a critical mass (5 or 6?) that could complement our Mouse Pack. It feels like that could produce a force.

So, are there any 'real' scenarios of trade-outs and pick upgrades that could produce another 2 first-rounders (for 3 in total) and, say, 2 or 3 second-rounders?

Over to you, pundits.

  On 30/08/2024 at 20:42, BW511 said:

I don’t mind the idea, more from a cultural perspective though.

There’s some homesickness and unrest with Trac and Koz, they also happen to be our two most valuable assets.

If we netted 3 picks under 20 and a decent best 22 player under 25, all of whom wanted to be here, change could come quickly and be sustainable whilst Gawn and May are still functioning.

Theres a few guys in our current side who are just barely contributing and there seems to be a very even spread of draft kids out to pick 25-30

 

 

And we could end up with the next Tapscott, Gysberts and Blease.

For Trac and Kossie, I'd be looking at 3 picks within the top 5.

I understand it is a business and professional sport so it’s ruthless. 

However when I’m firing/moving people on, which we all acknowledge must happen at times, you have to be careful.

The ones that stay and the ones you want to keep are all watching very carefully how you treat people. 

Clubs and AFL need to take the power back…need to be able to trade players against their consent this situation is out of hand and contracts must mean something…but if they don’t, clubs need to get in on that too. Make the players think a bit more before being brats. 

  On 30/08/2024 at 23:03, Young Angus said:

Clubs and AFL need to take the power back…need to be able to trade players against their consent this situation is out of hand and contracts must mean something…but if they don’t, clubs need to get in on that too. Make the players think a bit more before being brats. 

I am confident this is exactly what’s happened with Houston.

Port said sure, go put the feelers out but we are setting a price. When we realised our first rounder was going to be higher than anticipated, we let it fizzle out. No one else wanted to pay the price either.

@mo64, I agree that the draft is risky but keeping Trac on with his high maintenance behaviour is likely far riskier for Goodwin/Pert/Roffey

  On 30/08/2024 at 10:59, Demonland said:

Thanks for that I needed a laugh.

That's the furniture that when I was a little one my Italian mates parents had and the left the plastic wrapping on it forever.

Probably quite comfortable without the plastic.

Northa Melbourne and a Fooootascray.

 

  On 30/08/2024 at 11:03, adonski said:

Petty re-signed earlier this year and is still young. Lost some value too after his year up forward in 2024. He's a keeper long term as a key defender.

Clarry has had his worst year ever and you never sell low, unless there is significant doubt internally that he won't keep his act together off the field. Not like we're desperate for cap space anyway with the loss of Brayshaw, Grundy, BBB....Trac?

If there's a view that Pickett's home coming is inevitable, I'd trade him to Freo should they come to the table with a couple of first round picks. Obviously you'd love to keep him for his entire career but that seems doubtful.

I know it won't be popular but the Petracca trade is a no brainer if Carlton are silly enough to trade us a couple of first round picks plus steak knives. 29 years old, coming off an injury where no one really knows how he'll return.

In a perfect world we'd all be singing kumbaya round a camp fire with Trac & Kozzie shouting their allegiances to the club from the roof tops, but if that isn't possible you sell high where you can.

 

I'd say that if Tracca moves on that he's actually lost some value as well. That injury has had severe impact on mind and body and going fwd he's an unknown quantity somewhat.

Oliver has definitely dropped.

So has Petty.

That's three of the comps biggest names.

 

Kossie and pick 5 for Harley Reid🙏

  On 31/08/2024 at 02:07, Deelectable said:

Kossie and pick 5 for Harley Reid🙏

West coast will keep Reid. The longer they do, the more valuable he will be.

The hype around Reid will get absolutely insane in the next few years, he’s got a lot to live up to.

 

I don't know about fire sales but my office just had the most abysmal fire drill. We failed. 

  On 30/08/2024 at 10:55, RalphiusMaximus said:

I'm just wondering.  We have some players with significant currency wanting to leave the club.  What if we just put them all on the table?  What would we get back for Petracca, Picket and possibly Petty?  Would Oliver want to stay if his mates all left the club? 

It could turn into a hell of a rebuild if we came away with half a dozen or so first round picks.  Plus we'd legitimately finish well down the ladder next year, so more high picks in that draft.  We'd bottom out just in time to avoid the worst of the compromised drafts for Tassie.  

 

 

(Note:  I do not in any way advocate for this to happen, but I do wonder about how much we could get selling off quality premiership players right now)

If this don’t happen perhaps you could try your house snd see how that goes!! 

I like it .

It has a kind of "Newly addicted to Meth so F#$K everything and everyone I've ever known I justy wanna get high" feel to it.

Sometimes rebuilding a club from oblivion is over rated and the decade worth of consistent ,honest effort is worth just tossing in the skip for kicks.

I get it.I like it.

I don't think it will work but as a concept I can dig it.

Edited September 3, 2024Sep 3 by Biffen

  On 30/08/2024 at 11:56, Dockett 32 said:

It seems anything is possible in the ‘lawless AFL’😀

 

Welcome to ‘Dodge City’!

Edited September 4, 2024Sep 4 by Tarax Club

  On 30/08/2024 at 11:19, DeeSpencer said:

WWSPD?

What would Sam Presti do.

The OKC Thunder had a big tear down and banked a metric tonne of picks. The star player wanting out and then the team packing it in is pretty common in the NBA.

I doubt we’d do it, but I think this is how I’d do it:

- Tracc goes for picks or high quality under 23 players 
- Move on Fritsch
- See if we can sneak a decent pick upgrade from Steve May to a contender
- Viney to North

- Hold Oliver for now. With no rush to win the plan would be to maximise his value and possibly restructure his contract by front loading the money 

- Hold Pickett for now, Freo have other priorities and there’s not a compelling market for him just now.

Now here’s a list of reasons to we wont do it:

1. It’s an even comp and if we can find some best 22 mature players we can stay competitive and hope we smash the draft.

2. It would be incredibly hard on Gawn and other leftover senior players 

3. it would condemn the Pres, the coach, the admin. No matter how well you’d sold it if we suddenly won 5 games next a lot of heads would roll. It would also put us in a terrible financial position. 

This admin has won more championships than Sam Presti…

Those moves would ruin the club fabric and guarantee nothing. Football is not like bball, especially NBA; you get the right one person or two people and you can be in the top tier of the NBA. Not the same in footy. At all.

  On 30/08/2024 at 23:03, Young Angus said:

Clubs and AFL need to take the power back…need to be able to trade players against their consent this situation is out of hand and contracts must mean something…but if they don’t, clubs need to get in on that too. Make the players think a bit more before being brats. 

Agree. Will get us to another level of professionalism and the need for 5+ year deals go away. Teams and players will actually map out their careers and see the whole thing as a partnership. 

We're together while it makes sense for both parties (eg. likelihood/interest in winning vs opportunities to make money etc.) 

It will also allow the AFLPA to negotiate more money in the EBA eg. inconvenience of moving allowance. 

And it brings about the possibility of using free agency as a negotiating tool for clubs/players/agents. Eg. the club agrees that player x becomes a free agent at the end of a contract (or after time served) so that the player knows he isn't just bound by trade to find his new home. 

Edited September 4, 2024Sep 4 by Dee*ceiving