Pert and Roffey - The Review Thread

[Demonland 70,163]

 

[Jaded No More 67,532]

The sheer fact that despite being one of the best performing sides over the last 4 seasons, we are back as the perceived laughing stock / problem child of the AFL, speaks to an undeniable failure of leadership and governance.

It does not matter if the reality is not as grim from inside the 4 walls, the perception that we are a club in disarray once more, is going to cause enough damage that it will impact every part of our club, but most especially our on field success.

I just cannot believe that we are here again so soon.  

[BLWNBA 680]

1 minute ago, Jaded No More said:

The sheer fact that despite being one of the best performing sides over the last 4 seasons, we are back as the perceived laughing stock / problem child of the AFL, speaks to an undeniable failure of leadership and governance.

It does not matter if the reality is not as grim from inside the 4 walls, the perception that we are a club in disarray once more, is going to cause enough damage that it will impact every part of our club, but most especially our on field success.

I just cannot believe that we are here again so soon.  

Sadly, it's just such an incredibly 'Melbourne' thing. 

[Jaded No More 67,532]

Just now, BLWNBA said:

Sadly, it's just such an incredibly 'Melbourne' thing. 

And as always, those who suffer most are the loyal members.

That I am thinking of disengaging because I have reached such a level of trauma with this club, is a [censored] sad indictment on every person who is running this club, because most of them would not give a single [censored] if our club folded tomorrow, they would just walk away and find another job.

[BDA 22,231]

11 hours ago, layzie said:

Unbelievable hey. Full of [censored] these people.

The problem is not that she spoke, it’s that she spoke so badly and was unprepared. I’m in the camp that footy issues are perts domain and better if he spoke, but expecting your president to speak when the club is copping it is not unreasonable 

Edited August 30 by BDA

[titan_uranus 24,548]

The interview wasn't bad.

It was awful.

Her interview responses were contradictory, confusing, disappointing and, worst of all, at times incredulous. How has she not spoken with Trac's family despite the severity of his injury and the focus at the time on whether it was right for him to have gone back on the field? The issue was raised 2.5 months ago, not just this week. 

Yes, as president she is rightfully and reasonably a step or two removed from football operations. But the issues facing us with Trac (as well as Clarry, Smith and perhaps ANB/Pickett wanting out) aren't exclusively football department issues.

If she attempted to dead-bat the questions, she failed miserably given how much she opened herself up to criticism.

It's difficult, if not impossible, to resist the calls coming thick and fast now that she is incapable of doing her job and incapable of holding her role as president.

[Jaded No More 67,532]

3 minutes ago, BDA said:

The problem is not that she spoke, it’s that she spoke badly and was unprepared. I’m in the camp that footy issues are perts domain and better if he spoke, but expecting your president to speak when the club is copping it is not unreasonable 

All this club knows how to do right now is talk a lot of empty platitudes. 

Their actions in letting this club get here, speaks louder than any of their idiotic meaningless words do.

[Kent 2,852]

3 hours ago, Magnus said:

Hmmmm, rough interview that I don’t think she was properly prepared for (and Whately did machine gun the questions a bit). Some of the soundbites I would have wanted to hear from the club president:

• The leadership group is aligned on our goal of XXX (eg what are they all working towards together - the “North Star” eg “giving our loyal members a MCC grand final within 5years time” etc.
• “If Trac goes, I will” (really odd she has not met with him or the family, one of our more important assets)
• “We are really proud of the team and our emerging talent, we do acknowledge we have some list gaps that we are actively trying to fill in the off season and we are looking forward to the 2025 season”
• “There is a bit of external noise to the club at the moment - it is unfortunate - but we have to defend the red & blue”
• “Finally to our fans, we are the oldest football club in the world & I personally feel we have let them down over the last 18m - you deserve better - and you will get it” (eg some humility)

Etc etc. Unfortunately she came across distant to the workings of the club and the key concerns of the members - not what I wanted to hear.

Thats  what happens when you hire a careerist for the top job

Career takes precedence

[Kent 2,852]

3 hours ago, Magnus said:

Hmmmm, rough interview that I don’t think she was properly prepared for (and Whately did machine gun the questions a bit). Some of the soundbites I would have wanted to hear from the club president:

• The leadership group is aligned on our goal of XXX (eg what are they all working towards together - the “North Star” eg “giving our loyal members a MCC grand final within 5years time” etc.
• “If Trac goes, I will” (really odd she has not met with him or the family, one of our more important assets)
• “We are really proud of the team and our emerging talent, we do acknowledge we have some list gaps that we are actively trying to fill in the off season and we are looking forward to the 2025 season”
• “There is a bit of external noise to the club at the moment - it is unfortunate - but we have to defend the red & blue”
• “Finally to our fans, we are the oldest football club in the world & I personally feel we have let them down over the last 18m - you deserve better - and you will get it” (eg some humility)

Etc etc. Unfortunately she came across distant to the workings of the club and the key concerns of the members - not what I wanted to hear.

Thats  what happens when you hire a careerist for the top job

Career takes precedence

[Kent 2,852]

3 hours ago, Magnus said:

Hmmmm, rough interview that I don’t think she was properly prepared for (and Whately did machine gun the questions a bit). Some of the soundbites I would have wanted to hear from the club president:

• The leadership group is aligned on our goal of XXX (eg what are they all working towards together - the “North Star” eg “giving our loyal members a MCC grand final within 5years time” etc.
• “If Trac goes, I will” (really odd she has not met with him or the family, one of our more important assets)
• “We are really proud of the team and our emerging talent, we do acknowledge we have some list gaps that we are actively trying to fill in the off season and we are looking forward to the 2025 season”
• “There is a bit of external noise to the club at the moment - it is unfortunate - but we have to defend the red & blue”
• “Finally to our fans, we are the oldest football club in the world & I personally feel we have let them down over the last 18m - you deserve better - and you will get it” (eg some humility)

Etc etc. Unfortunately she came across distant to the workings of the club and the key concerns of the members - not what I wanted to hear.

Thats  what happens when you hire a careerist for the top job

Career takes precedence

[BDA 22,231]

2 minutes ago, Jaded No More said:

All this club knows how to do right now is talk a lot of empty platitudes. 

Their actions in letting this club get here, speaks louder than any of their idiotic meaningless words do.

I agree. Admit the problems, acknowledge the failings and get started on righting the ship. The batten down the hatches approach won’t cut it anymore. 

[cookieboc 729]

I have been supporting this club for 45 years and it’s truly amazing how many years we have been in crisis, at this stage it’s in the DNA. No other club struggles to retain players like we do. At this stage how many more “crises “ do members have left?

[bluey 1,021]

Ok, a player got injured in a collision sport, big deal, let’s not panic and sink the ship, calm down.

[The Taciturn Demon 340]

I don't expect the President to be a polished media performer. I do expect them to be, if not a nuffie in a business suit, at least across a lot of club stuff and well-connected with every important person at the club. Important people include all the players and their immediate families.

What I took from that interview, and a few Roffey public statements, is that she's neither a good media performer nor obsessively interested in everything happening at the club. In the Whately interview, she seemed to imply that she hadn't spoken with Petracca's family because their absence from the club made it inconvenient. If that's not outright negligence, it sounds like the excuse of someone who doesn't really have the time to be President. 

I like the idea of a president saying "This isn't my area of expertise; I'll leave it to the people we employ to do specific jobs". But talking to players and their family after a very serious injury and a very public desire to leave seems like something clearly within a president's remit. 

[Dr. Gonzo 23,665]

2 hours ago, dazzledavey36 said:

 

Cliff notes for those of us who can't access?

[Red But Mostly Blue 4,407]

41 minutes ago, Jaded No More said:

The sheer fact that despite being one of the best performing sides over the last 4 seasons, we are back as the perceived laughing stock / problem child of the AFL, speaks to an undeniable failure of leadership and governance.

It does not matter if the reality is not as grim from inside the 4 walls, the perception that we are a club in disarray once more, is going to cause enough damage that it will impact every part of our club, but most especially our on field success.

I just cannot believe that we are here again so soon.  

This is what I was thinking, too. 

If you were to hear all of this (over the last several years) regarding an unnamed team - you'd rightfully assume it was a bottom 4 rabble. But nope, it's been a team who won a flag, and finished top 4 three years in a row. And could have had another flag if not for devastating, worst-timed injuries. The vision of our success is now being clouded by all eyes on these perceived issues. And worse yet, these issues, and that discussion, may impact our ability (through mood of the club and players, and inability to attract essential trades to fill big gaps) to properly challenge again next year, in what may be our last chance at a flag. 

It's just a game, etc. But it's also really sad :-(

 

[Demonland 70,163]

2 minutes ago, Dr. Gonzo said:

Cliff notes for those of us who can't access?

Unfortunately some of the contents cannot be discussed on this website for various reasons.

[Redlegged 81]

10 minutes ago, The Taciturn Demon said:

I don't expect the President to be a polished media performer. I do expect them to be, if not a nuffie in a business suit, at least across a lot of club stuff and well-connected with every important person at the club. Important people include all the players and their immediate families.

What I took from that interview, and a few Roffey public statements, is that she's neither a good media performer nor obsessively interested in everything happening at the club. In the Whately interview, she seemed to imply that she hadn't spoken with Petracca's family because their absence from the club made it inconvenient. If that's not outright negligence, it sounds like the excuse of someone who doesn't really have the time to be President. 

I like the idea of a president saying "This isn't my area of expertise; I'll leave it to the people we employ to do specific jobs". But talking to players and their family after a very serious injury and a very public desire to leave seems like something clearly within a president's remit. 

All true. She began the interview somewhat flippantly and soon drifted into incoherence, with a touch of arrogance thrown in. It was a total shocker, no getting away from it.

[Redlegged 81]

38 minutes ago, Kent said:

Thats  what happens when you hire a careerist for the top job

Career takes precedence

Can't stand Whateley. But he conducted the interview fairly. Let her hang herself, and seriously damage the club in the process. It was a performance she will never recover from.

[The Taciturn Demon 340]

13 minutes ago, Redlegged said:

She began the interview somewhat flippantly and soon drifted into incoherence, with a touch of arrogance thrown in.

Sadly, this is a template for a few of the public statements I've heard from her. 

I thought her point about Viney - clearly a media beat up - had the potential to be the basis for a strong argument. Something along the lines of "If I carried out my duties based on every single media rumour or demand from a pundit, I'd never sleep." But the stuff about the media quickly descended into, as you said, incoherence. 

[Adam The God 29,243]

Rennick is getting on his dragon, House of the Dragon style...

[Jaded No More 67,532]

32 minutes ago, Demonland said:

Unfortunately some of the contents cannot be discussed on this website for various reasons.

Out of curiosity, once the court case is settled, do you think we would be able to discuss it? I mean outcomes and what is publicly known.

[BoBo 2,912]

1 hour ago, Demonland said:

 

‘I listened to what she said there and it’s just not true, I mean, there is no proper meaningful correspondence between CP and the club right now, so when she says it’s an open forum and this is a football matter, he’s not communicating anything as he doesn’t trust these people at the moment’

Interesting quote by Barrett.

[Dante 2,704]

On 27/08/2024 at 20:15, Satyriconhome said:

And who says that, or just click bait again

You seem to be an apologist for the club/Board.

I take it you are happy the way things are and don't want to see any changes, you happy with the way Roffey handled the interview?

[Mach5 4,588]

4 hours ago, The Jackson FIX said:

I’ve spotted her shopping at Yarraville Coles - if she’s elitist, she’s not doing a great job of it.

Honestly? I think that her first impressions are of being down to earth, but you don’t have to dig much deeper to find that ...