Season 2024 Over for Clayton Oliver

[Ollie fan 3,026]

13 minutes ago, Macca said:

Yeah, well, I'm not sure I believe all that

Didn't Oliver have rib injuries earlier in the season?  And now that we're absolutely out of the running for finals,  they call time on Oliver?  Too much of a coincidence

If I was to hazard a guess as to what the issues are at the club it could be that we're asking our players (or certain players) to play through the pain barrier too much

I could be totally wrong but something is amiss at the club.  So what is it?  

 

All clubs ask their players to play through pain.

Until last week we were still in the finals race. I understand that despite everything. Clarry was our number one possession getter. His  demeanour suggests that he is dealing with his mental issues and is in a much better place. The way the club has dealt with all this is quite appropriate.

 

[Jaded No More 67,558]

41 minutes ago, Gator said:

Players are rightfully judged by their output once they take the field.

More often than not Oliver has been a liability, not to mention being terribly out of shape.

Oliver should have been mothballed by the club weeks ago.  They've done him no favours.

I am not here to judge whether the club has done the right thing by him playing through pain, because I don't know if the benefits to his mental health outweighed the downside of playing injured.

And of course players should be judged on their on field output, and nobody, Clarry included, is under any illusion that his output this year has been medicore. We all want and expect more from Clarry, especially given his salary.

But as is always the case, it's not what you say but how you say it.

Calling him lazy, disinterested, saying he's checked out, a liability, a cultural cancer, is just completely unnecessary, especially when those in the know have been at pains to point out that he is battling multiple injuries, on top of the mental health issues he's dealing with.

Clarry has been through hell the last 12 months, and while undoubtably some of that has been his doing, and some of his behaviour has absolutely been unacceptable, he is also a human being who has given us many brilliant seasons and deserved a little bit more empathy than he's been shown. 

I expect nothing better from hack ex footballers like Cornes, and misogynistic morons like Morris, but I expect better from our own supporters. Guess I should lower those expectations too.

 

[manny100 1,384]

Good to rest him and get surgeries done asap.

He was giving it his all but his body was clearly falling apart.

Good decision to manage him for the last 2 rounds.

Now try a few young players.

Bring in Brown and AMW.

Maybe Fullarton to take some load off Max 

 

[roy11 3,648]

What exactly is the hand injury? I know the finger was dislocated in Feb/March but as someone with no medical training - anyone able to shed some info here?

[Davos 776]

But I was told on here that he has been lacking effort, and is lazy?

Weird.

[Jaded No More 67,558]

20 minutes ago, dazzledavey36 said:

Knee and Ribs were incidents from weekends game. This has been confirmed by Selwyn.

The ribs sound like a new injury, but I can categorically tell you that he had a PCL injury heading into last year's finals, and unfortunately it's flared up again a while ago. 

He has been carrying that knee for weeks now. It's possible that it got worse on the weekend of course.

I reckon the club doesn't want to have to explain why they've played him thru multiple injuries, so they are saying it's only recent (the knee/rib part, we all know about the hand).

It's very obvious to me that he's been playing for two reasons; he wanted to fill the gaps left by Gus, then Salem and then Trac (because contrary to reports, he is not checked out), and it's good for his mental health.

[Macca 16,599]

15 minutes ago, Ollie fan said:

All clubs ask their players to play through pain.

Until last week we were still in the finals race. I understand that despite everything. Clarry was our number one possession getter. His  demeanour suggests that he is dealing with his mental issues and is in a much better place. The way the club has dealt with all this is quite appropriate.

 

You may be right but not everything is hunky dory at the club (the handling of the Petracca injuries was at best, clumsy)

Unless you believe we're doing everything right at the club?  Is that the case?

Why didn't we sub Clarrie off on Saturday?  We can't treat him like cannon-fodder

If it was any other player, would be happy about that player playing the game out?  

Edited August 14 by Macca

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13 minutes ago, Jaded No More said:

The ribs sound like a new injury, but I can categorically tell you that he had a PCL injury heading into last year's finals, and unfortunately it's flared up again a while ago. 

He has been carrying that knee for weeks now. It's possible that it got worse on the weekend of course.

I reckon the club doesn't want to have to explain why they've played him thru multiple injuries, so they are saying it's only recent (the knee/rib part, we all know about the hand).

It's very obvious to me that he's been playing for two reasons; he wanted to fill the gaps left by Gus, then Salem and then Trac (because contrary to reports, he is not checked out), and it's good for his mental health.

Yes. I think this is the reason.

[stinga 517]

57 minutes ago, Macca said:

What are you talking about?

Most of us knew about the hand injury but how bad it was is anyone's guess ...  but most of us had no idea about the Knee PCL or the fractured ribs

I can't blame anyone for questioning Clarrie's form.  But the information with all his ailments was unknown (for most)

 

I dont know if its still an issue but a couple of months ago at a sportsmans night with Max he said he was travelling to Donald to the groin injury Guru that treats those injuries.  Sounds like a whole lot of problems

Edited August 14 by stinga

[58er 5,896]

19 minutes ago, Macca said:

You may be right but not everything is hunky dory at the club (the handling of the Petracca injuries was at best, clumsy)

Unless you believe we're doing everything right at the club?  Is that the case?

Why didn't we sub Clarrie off on Saturday?  We can't treat him like cannon-fodder

If it was any other player, would be happy about that player playing the game out?  

Please ask our Coach about the Sub rule.

He is one of the few who totally misunderstands it relating back to last season. 

[58er 5,896]

32 minutes ago, manny100 said:

Good to rest him and get surgeries done asap.

He was giving it his all but his body was clearly falling apart.

Good decision to manage him for the last 2 rounds.

Now try a few young players.

Bring in Brown and AMW.

Maybe Fullarton to take some load off Max 

 

And Jefferson please. 

[picket fence 16,625]

2 hours ago, Macca said:

Explains a lot re his form

You have to wonder why he has been playing at all ... one ailment maybe, but all 3?  

That plus Bug last week!! SUPERHUMAN EFFORT FROM THE MAN!!

[Gawndy the Great 9,008]

1 hour ago, Demonised said:

His rib issue wouldn't have been helped by all the gut punches he kept getting from Port players last Saturday. 

Or were as a direct result. Another great job by the scumbag MRO who didn’t even bother to sight the incident. Was the offender even fined?

[Macca 16,599]

1 minute ago, 58er said:

Please ask our Coach about the Sub rule.

He is one of the few who totally misunderstands it relating back to last season. 

An example of that was when we left Clarrie on the ground after he hurt his hamstring last season (?)

And it was a decent tear as he ended up missing 3 months (of course, there were other, well documented issues)

So why do you leave a player out on the ground who is in obvious discomfort?  

And please don't rehash the Grundy/Schache stuff as that is a completely different issue

[DeeZone 8,914]

Poor Clayton (Clarry) Oliver, now that the run to the finals have ended I am so happy that Clarry is being rested for his surgery with plenty of time to prepare for our tilt at the finals in ‘25. I could see that Clayton was really struggling on Saturday night but was unaware of his PCL and ribs. He is one tough young man, I hope that you have a full recovery Clayton and look forward to hearing positive stories about  your health and preparation for ‘25 and beyond.💕❤️💙

[Billy 2,460]

I love Clarry nearly as much as Pickett Fence & have been really saddened by his performance in the last few weeks, now we know why

Why in Gods name have we been playing him with 3 injuries???

[picket fence 16,625]

50 minutes ago, Macca said:

Excellent question

So they make him play out the game with cracked Ribs, a knee PCL and a busted hand

And if I can add this at the end...... PARK ME!

[hardtack 10,393]

4 minutes ago, Billy said:

 

I love Clarry nearly as much as Pickett Fence

 

You love Pickett Fence??😵‍💫😱

I know he put out some entertaining training reports, but it’s probably a good idea to draw the line somewhere!

[Superunknown 4,050]

Sticking $$ on an Oliver brownlow for 2025 right now

[drysdale demon 4,673]

2 hours ago, chook fowler said:

season over for Chook Fowler

What, no more eggs then.

[OhMyDees 1,824]

The wash up of this season will no doubt show even more players carrying injuries. Glad Clarry can get the medical help he needs and be right for a good preseason. 

Speaks volumes of Claz to be playing as well as he has this season without a preseason and carrying major injuries. Best of luck with a speedy recovery!

[58er 5,896]

1 hour ago, Stretch Johnson said:

It's not a binary argument.

Clarry has had a disappointing season.  Part bad luck and part bad preparation.

Bad luck you can't do much about.  He deserves criticism for the latter.  He is paid a lot of money to be a pro, and his actions have contributed to a failed season.

I would expect that the club, his team-mates and hopefully Clarry himself are unhappy with his behaviour.

I still believe that we can have another crack at a flag with the current group of stalwarts and emerging group of young stars,  We will need everything to go right, a professional approach will be a good start.

You are not understanding the totality of Clarries  issues from the start. 
I thought most fans understood his mental physical and fitness challenges when it all came out during his return in pre season. 

You have just called Clarry unprofessional when he made every effort by himself to prepare for the year. He was not under Club control but training with other support and doing vast amounts of running. Plenty of film/photos were featured during this time. 
Eventually he came back and started his Club pre season but was clearly underdone although we hoped he would get better game by game. 

Yes he has/ had done some unprofessional things but not his attempt to become fit for the season. That is totally not fair and he should be lauded for the effort/s he has tried this season. 

Also the other injuries that have surfaced have impounded the pressure on his fitness  levels. 
I think some / many/ few were surprised when he was selected from Round 1 vs Sydney. Not sure that was the wisest move for the long term season plan really.

Lets just learn from it all that Clarry is in a much greater space now and give home time now to concentrate on ridding himself of those injuries and when able commence a Clubprogram pre season during the off season. And that we will see the real Clarry again in the top echelon next season in the mid field. 
 

[Macca 16,599]

29 minutes ago, stinga said:

I dont know if its still an issue but a couple of months ago at a sportsmans night with Max he said he was travelling to Donald to the groin injury Guru that treats those injuries.  Sounds like a whole lot of problems

Yeah, we've been playing banged up but when you have that mantra and you don't win, the cracks can appear

From a player welfare point of view.  But most of us are in the dark as we don't know the full story

In 2021 we had hardly any injuries and the mantra then (via Burgess) was being able to play through pain

Maybe 3 years later it's all become too much and the players are worn out

Edited August 14 by Macca

[Jaded No More 67,558]

Just now, OhMyDees said:

The wash up of this season will no doubt show even more players carrying injuries. Glad Clarry can get the medical help he needs and be right for a good preseason. 

Speaks volumes of Claz to be playing as well as he has this season without a preseason and carrying major injuries. Best of luck with a speedy recovery!

Viney seems injured to me and Max will probably get a leg amputation knowing him.

The most important thing we can do heading into 2025 is nail the off-season and pre-season in terms of fitness  and injury management.