Season 2024 Over for Clayton Oliver

[PaulRB 6,361]

Club probably worked with Clarry to agree on an approach both parties would be happy with.

[Wells 11 5,396]

8 minutes ago, spirit of norm smith said:

 

Should have got his hand sorted out earlier 

another wtf moment 

it’s all under control at MFC 🤬

Not as simple as this. He fared terribly last year with an extended break. 

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55 minutes ago, Jaded No More said:

Good. 
Anyone who was continuously attacking his performances recently should take note that he was playing in absolute agony. His hand was never properly operated on, it was only a quick fix. His knee has been an issue since finals last year too. 
All the keyboard heroes calling him lazy and a liability, should remember that next time they attack a player before they know what is truly going on. 
 

A mighty effort from Clarry to overcome a horrible personal time, on top of a mountain of injuries, to play all but 3 games!

It's not a binary argument.

Clarry has had a disappointing season.  Part bad luck and part bad preparation.

Bad luck you can't do much about.  He deserves criticism for the latter.  He is paid a lot of money to be a pro, and his actions have contributed to a failed season.

I would expect that the club, his team-mates and hopefully Clarry himself are unhappy with his behaviour.

I still believe that we can have another crack at a flag with the current group of stalwarts and emerging group of young stars,  We will need everything to go right, a professional approach will be a good start.

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[Ethan Tremblay 30,856]

Plate removed from his pants, PCL injury and cracked ribs. Rough. 

[BDA 22,742]

I've been very critical of Clarry's performances

If he's carrying 3 injuries it explains the big drop off.

You have to question the club's injury management processes here. why would you be playing him with these injuries? Pert's review should have a strong focus on this area of the FD. This playing through pain/injury mantra needs to be reconsidered imv.

[Ted Lasso 19,494]

Good move, it's so silly to send him out there injured and at the mercy of the rabid media that are out to pile on the MFC at every opportunity, get him right so he can have a full pre-season and get back to his best next year. 

if we have a fully fit Trac and Oliver next year we will be back into the finals mix well and truely.

[Gator 17,332]

53 minutes ago, Jaded No More said:

Good. 
Anyone who was continuously attacking his performances recently should take note that he was playing in absolute agony. His hand was never properly operated on, it was only a quick fix. His knee has been an issue since finals last year too. 
All the keyboard heroes calling him lazy and a liability, should remember that next time they attack a player before they know what is truly going on. 
 

A mighty effort from Clarry to overcome a horrible personal time, on top of a mountain of injuries, to play all but 3 games!

Players are rightfully judged by their output once they take the field.

More often than not Oliver has been a liability, not to mention being terribly out of shape.

Oliver should have been mothballed by the club weeks ago.  They've done him no favours.

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[wheaters31 675]

Smart decision. 

Now he can set himself up for a great pre-season.

[binman 42,875]

10 minutes ago, Wells 11 said:

Not as simple as this. He fared terribly last year with an extended break. 

And not only that, clearly struggled rehabbing his hammy in terms of, for the first time in his career, not having the structure and routine playing each week provides.

By all accounts he is working very hard on his wellbeing and has a good formal support network in place.

I have little doubt part of the thinking behind not getting his hand sorted was ensuring he had the structure of playing each week in place.

And the reality is a 70% clarry is better than any other option we had.

(Though he looked closer to 50% in the second half against port so good time to swap him out).

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3 minutes ago, Gator said:

Players are rightfully judged by their output once they're take the field.

More often than not Oliver has been a liability, not to mention being terribly out of shape.

Oliver should have been mothballed by the club weeks ago.  They've done him no favours.

A liability? Only compared with his former top form.  Who did we have to replace him? Mothballed weeks ago when we still had a chance at finals?   Most you can say he should have gone last weekend.

[Macca 16,958]

48 minutes ago, 58er said:

If you didn’t suspect that Clarry had some issues this year on the field with fitness and injury you could easily fill the Carlton fitness job nowAndrew Russell has left.

Please don’t play the innocent or naive it just isn’t smart! 

What are you talking about?

Most of us knew about the hand injury but how bad it was is anyone's guess ...  but most of us had no idea about the Knee PCL or the fractured ribs

I can't blame anyone for questioning Clarrie's form.  But the information with all his ailments was unknown (for most)

 

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[dazzledavey36 54,836]

30 minutes ago, BDA said:

I've been very critical of Clarry's performances

If he's carrying 3 injuries it explains the big drop off.

You have to question the club's injury management processes here. why would you be playing him with these injuries? Pert's review should have a strong focus on this area of the FD. This playing through pain/injury mantra needs to be reconsidered imv.

Selwyn Griffith confirmed the knee injury and ribs were from Saturdays game.

The hand he's obviously carried all year.

[dazzledavey36 54,836]

13 minutes ago, Macca said:

What are you talking about?

Most of us knew about the hand injury but how bad it was is anyone's guess ...  but most of us had no idea about the Knee PCL or the fractured ribs

I can't blame anyone for questioning Clarrie's form.  But the information with all his ailments was unknown (for most)

So stop taking the angry pills and grow up

Knee and Ribs were incidents from weekends game. This has been confirmed by Selwyn.

[Watson11 2,240]

4 minutes ago, dazzledavey36 said:

Selwyn Griffith confirmed the knee injury and ribs were from Saturdays game.

The hand he's obviously carried all year.

And we didn’t sub him off?  What’s the sub for?

[The heart beats true 18,123]

Garry Lyon said last week that Clayton’s hand is virtually unusable, and then this week said that the club made the decision to keep him on the park, as all parties concluded it was the best thing for the club, and for Clayton’s mental health.

He’s been very loyal, and so have we. I think that suggests a really productive period coming up for Clayton, once he gets his body right.

[Macca 16,958]

42 minutes ago, dazzledavey36 said:

Selwyn Griffith confirmed the knee injury and ribs were from Saturdays game.

The hand he's obviously carried all year.

Didn't Oliver have rib injuries earlier in the season?  And now that we're absolutely out of the running for finals,  they call time on Oliver?  

If I was to hazard a guess as to what the issues are at the club it could be that we're asking our players (or certain players) to play through the pain barrier too much

I could be totally wrong but something is amiss at the club.  So what is it?  

 

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Just now, Watson11 said:

And we didn’t sub him off?  What’s the sub for?

Agree wholeheartedly. 

[Macca 16,958]

1 minute ago, dazzledavey36 said:

Knee and Ribs were incidents from weekends game. This has been confirmed by Selwyn.

Read my other post on Selwyn's comments

[Macca 16,958]

38 minutes ago, Watson11 said:

And we didn’t sub him off?  What’s the sub for?

Excellent question

So they make him play out the game with cracked Ribs, a knee PCL and a busted hand

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57 minutes ago, spirit of norm smith said:

 

Should have got his hand sorted out earlier 

another wtf moment 

it’s all under control at MFC 🤬

Did you even listen to Goodwin's press conference? Clayton had to have the plate in for 12-14 weeks to allow support for healing and now that times is up so he's had the surgery to have it out.

[Ollie fan 3,370]

1 hour ago, spirit of norm smith said:

 

Should have got his hand sorted out earlier 

another wtf moment 

it’s all under control at MFC 🤬

Don't be effing ridiculous. 
 

He had a bad injury and had surgery on it. What else were the club supposed to do?

We don't know what the ongoing issues are but it may well be that the plates themselves need removing.

[Pipefitter 2,159]

12 minutes ago, The heart beats true said:

Garry Lyon said last week that Clayton’s hand is virtually unusable, and then this week said that the club made the decision to keep him on the park, as all parties concluded it was the best thing for the club, and for Clayton’s mental health.

He’s been very loyal, and so have we. I think that suggests a really productive period coming up for Clayton, once he gets his body right.

Clayton’s one wood is his hands. Big reason for little impact. 

[DubDee 25,820]

Hopefully he can recover from these injuries by October and crack into preseason

We need you Clarry!

[Ollie fan 3,370]

13 minutes ago, Macca said:

Yeah, well, I'm not sure I believe all that

Didn't Oliver have rib injuries earlier in the season?  And now that we're absolutely out of the running for finals,  they call time on Oliver?  Too much of a coincidence

If I was to hazard a guess as to what the issues are at the club it could be that we're asking our players (or certain players) to play through the pain barrier too much

I could be totally wrong but something is amiss at the club.  So what is it?  

 

All clubs ask their players to play through pain.

Until last week we were still in the finals race. I understand that despite everything. Clarry was our number one possession getter. His  demeanour suggests that he is dealing with his mental issues and is in a much better place. The way the club has dealt with all this is quite appropriate.

 

[Jaded No More 68,885]

41 minutes ago, Gator said:

Players are rightfully judged by their output once they take the field.

More often than not Oliver has been a liability, not to mention being terribly out of shape.

Oliver should have been mothballed by the club weeks ago.  They've done him no favours.

I am not here to judge whether the club has done the right thing by him playing through pain, because I don't know if the benefits to his mental health outweighed the downside of playing injured.

And of course players should be judged on their on field output, and nobody, Clarry included, is under any illusion that his output this year has been medicore. We all want and expect more from Clarry, especially given his salary.

But as is always the case, it's not what you say but how you say it.

Calling him lazy, disinterested, saying he's checked out, a liability, a cultural cancer, is just completely unnecessary, especially when those in the know have been at pains to point out that he is battling multiple injuries, on top of the mental health issues he's dealing with.

Clarry has been through hell the last 12 months, and while undoubtably some of that has been his doing, and some of his behaviour has absolutely been unacceptable, he is also a human being who has given us many brilliant seasons and deserved a little bit more empathy than he's been shown. 

I expect nothing better from hack ex footballers like Cornes, and misogynistic morons like Morris, but I expect better from our own supporters. Guess I should lower those expectations too.