22 hours ago, MurDoc516 said:

What's your solution? Head to the Winchester and wait for this all to blow over?

So just use a scapegoat. Why not the president next? The runner?

16 minutes ago, SFebes said:

I think we need to get used to the fact that Peter Jackson is Peter Jackson, Guerra won’t even come close, we’ve just got to hope he’s better than serviceable. We have major “football” issues and he doesn’t have any experience with AFL. Going to be interesting.

I was heartened to see Smith joined in, if only zoom ( or such ) . But he could have not.

I think in the old vernacular... the 💩 has found its way to the fan.

We're at a point the club needs more than a 🩹 approach.

23 hours ago, Ethan Tremblay said:

Are you a child?

Coming from someone who called the family day “the curse of norm smith day” to troll.

No you’ve had it in for me since I joined so your comments mean nothing.

Edited 23 hours ago23 hr by Cassiew

5 minutes ago, Cassiew said:

So just use a scapegoat. Why not the president next? The runner?

Nobody is saying goody is solely responsible. The senior players have been dreadful. The board have been derelict in their duties as well.

But he’s the head coach. He’s getting paid the big bucks to have us organised and competing. He has failed despite numerous assistant coaching changes around him. At some point the finger needs to be pointed at him.

37 minutes ago, BDA said:

Nobody is saying goody is solely responsible. The senior players have been dreadful. The board have been derelict in their duties as well.

But he’s the head coach. He’s getting paid the big bucks to have us organised and competing. He has failed despite numerous assistant coaching changes around him. At some point the finger needs to be pointed at him.

Like how things got better when Daniher left?

1 hour ago, Lucifers Hero said:

I say knee-[censored] because as recently as a few weeks ago there was no apparent public threat to his position.

It is only after Sunday's embarrassing capitualation that the Board suddenly says the FD and his position are to be reviewed, again. That looks like a knee-[censored]/scapegoat reaction rather than a considered one. They should have been monitoring it during the season.

I'm not saying he shouldn't go. I just hope it is for the right reasons and not to take the heat off everyone else. Then everyone goes 'Phew' the heat is off but nothing fundamentally changes.

And "the right reasons" are........?

16 minutes ago, Cassiew said:

Like how things got better when Daniher left?

what do you suggest we do?

Just now, BDA said:

what do you suggest we do?

If you want to discuss message me. I don’t really have time to answer 5 different people because I’m going against popular opinion

1 hour ago, SFebes said:

I think we need to get used to the fact that Peter Jackson is Peter Jackson, Guerra won’t even come close, we’ve just got to hope he’s better than serviceable. We have major “football” issues and he doesn’t have any experience with AFL. Going to be interesting.

Which sums up our club! Nothing against Guerra but why have we chosen someone with zero football experience?? Considering all the issues we’ve had as bd the skill set of how clubs function etc not mention that a new CEO should he been in the chair to make key decisions around the football dept!

The buck does stop with Goodwin, he’s currently 7-18 and no finals win since 21! Who’s responsible for the culture issues and the Oliver issue, why was he given senior games after missing pre season, that’s culture setting.

The football dept responsibility of list mgt & the poor trade selections to improve our list, compare us against last 3 premiers who they have traded in is Richardson accountable for this?? Need sweeping changes and yes Goodwin needs to go

Edited 22 hours ago22 hr by Demonsone

34 minutes ago, Mono said:

And "the right reasons" are........?

Very good question 'Mono'.

Answer: If he has met his KPI's and acted to fix any under performance he stays. If not, he goes.

To determine that The Board had to monitor performance vs KPI's and give guidance and feedback during the year.

imv recommendations by Shand had to be included in Goodwin's KPI's.

Given the article earlier says The Board will: examine whether changes recommended then were properly implemented this year", suggests they weren't included as KPI's or the Board hasn't monitored performance. Otherwise they would already know. It is inexplicable to me that the Board doesn't know how he has performed vs KPi's nor given periodic feedback.

So the right reasons are a considered and objective assessment of his performance. Without that, I fear a knee-[censored] decision to quell the noise and dare I say protect their own backsides.

Edited 21 hours ago21 hr by Lucifers Hero

Fully agree we have all forgot the Houston was primed to come and play with us But the issues off field put pay to that an Collingwood Pounced .

Simon is also very stubborn its his way but now even the boot studders of the opposition know how to beat us we are predicatble

The Review I am 100%sure we havent been told the truth on the result my beleif is it was scathing

Simon would make a great Assistant he certainly is no longer capable of a senior gig

1 hour ago, Cassiew said:

Like how things got better when Daniher left?

I didn't like this response so much that it compelled me to make an account lol

That poster made some legitimate well measured points and you basically ignored all of them.

On the flipside of your answer I've got examples of new coach changes that have actually helped clubs in the last 10 years or so.

Look at Collingwood after Craig McRae joined, look at GWS after Kingsley joined, look at Hawthorn now that Sam Mitchell has taken the reigns, look at West Coast After Adam Simpson joined, look at the Swans after Horse joined. I could honestly keep going on the many more coach changes that have helped but I can't be bothered right now.

All of these coaches were the head coach before those guys took over:

Nathan Buckley

Leon Cameron

Clarko

John Worsfold

Paul Roos

All of them are good to great coaches who won flags or got to grand finals, multiple prelims and whatnot, but after a long tenure (eg. 8-10years) it became pretty clear that they were no longer taking their clubs forward and that the clubs needed a new voice.

We can add Simon Goodwin to that list. He's always going to be a premiership coach and no one can take that away from him. But it's so clear that after 4 years in a row of linear regression that we need change. Of course it's not solely on him, but he's the head coach, he's a big part of it.

And yes a new coach doesn't mean that everything else is fixed, there's a lot that goes into it, but it's absolutely a start

Goodwin will be fine as well, he's a good bloke, well respected in the industry and another club will pick him up as a very experienced assistant coach.

Edited 20 hours ago20 hr by possiblework1999

22 minutes ago, possiblework1999 said:

I didn't like this response so much that it compelled me to make an account lol

That poster made some legitimate well measured points and you basically ignored all of them.

On the flipside of your answer I've got examples of new coach changes that have actually helped clubs in the last 10 years or so.

Look at Collingwood after Craig McRae joined, look at GWS after Kingsley joined, look at Hawthorn now that Sam Mitchell has taken the reigns, look at West Coast After Adam Simpson joined, look at the Swans after Horse joined. I could honestly keep going on the many more coach changes that have helped but I can't be bothered right now.

All of these coaches were the head coach before those guys took over:

Nathan Buckley

Leon Cameron

Clarko

John Worsfold

Paul Roos

All of them are good to great coaches who won flags or got to grand finals, multiple prelims and whatnot, but after a long tenure (eg. 8-10years) it becomes pretty clear that they were no longer taking their clubs forward and that the clubs needed a new voice.

We can add Simon Goodwin to that list. He's always going to be a premiership coach and no one can take that away from him. But it's so clear that after 4 years in a row of linear regression that we need change. Of course it's not solely on him, but he's the head coach, he's a big part of it.

And yes a new coach doesn't mean that everything else is fixed, there's a lot that goes into, but it's absolutely a start

Goodwin will be fine as well, he's a good bloke, well respected in the industry and another club will pick him up as a very experienced assistant coach.

You made an account to “tell me off.” Well done. Not going to waste my time with a sock puppet account.

Actually that’s kinda sad. Trolling.

Edited 20 hours ago20 hr by Cassiew

3 hours ago, Dr. Gonzo said:

I think he's a young players being poorly coached and played out of position (backup ruck). He's not the finished product at 21/22 but he has talent to work with, he needs to be properly coached up to get the best out of that talent and a gameplan that exploits his strengths.

That's all well and good but the coach isn't instructing JVR to go for marks with one arm only

He also doesn't relish the front position as good forwards do. He's often invisible up forward much like Watts & Weideman. Doesn't impose himself in games

Has had 4 years in the system now and is still a long way off

Might make it in the backline and we've over 4 years to find out as he's contracted until the end of the 2029 season

We've got a stack of players who are way below their best but Gawn, Chandler, Bowey, Rivers, Kozzie and even T-Mac & Melk have bucked the trend

Why is that? The Coach?

Edited 20 hours ago20 hr by Macca

Just now, Cassiew said:

You made an account to “tell me off.” Well done.

Actually that’s kinda sad

Lol , took me 2 minutes and I'm sure I've got more posts to make that don't involve you.

It's a football forum, we're all sad here.

It's also here for discussion, I'm not "telling you off" or trolling. I'm discussing with you. If you can't discuss on a forum, ignore everyone's points and then feel the need to call me sad, maybe a forum isn't the best place to do that. I'd say that's more troll behaviour than what my post was.

Edited 20 hours ago20 hr by possiblework1999

1 hour ago, possiblework1999 said:

Lol , took me 2 minutes and I'm sure I've got more posts to make that don't involve you.

It's a football forum, we're all sad here.

It's also here for discussion, I'm not "telling you off" or trolling. I'm discussing with you. If you can't discuss on a forum, ignore everyone's points and then feel the need to call me sad, maybe a forum isn't the best place to do that. I'd say that's more troll behaviour than what my post was.

Yeah still sad

12 hours ago, YearOfTheDees said:

$1m payout won’t stop Demons making tough call on Goodwin if necessary

As a senior Melbourne figure observed of their season, doing nothing is not an option.

I'll believe it when I see it.

3 hours ago, Cassiew said:

You made an account to “tell me off.” Well done. Not going to waste my time with a sock puppet account.

Actually that’s kinda sad. Trolling.

He made an account because he want to join the conversation and made some extremely good points. I have been one advocating for calm heads and patience but I have to confess my patience with Goody is running very thin.

Our issues aren't out of the blue and if we were to act of sacking him it wouldn't be just through the result of one really bad loss (as it was for Bailey in hindsight). We lost to a blues outfit that were devoid of confidence the week before, we let slip a 46 point lead against a fellow cellar-dweller, I could spend hours naming the issues we have had that have resulted in a clear regression and as much as I will be grateful to Simon for helping us get our premiership, a lot of it has to fall on his shoulders. He is absolutely not alone in this by the way.

You cited Daniher as an example of what can go wrong with changing coach, fair enough. But the decision to appoint Neeld when there were clearly better candidates available rest with the board at the time. There are good senior candidates available and there are always assistants that are ready to take the next step. Staying with Simon because of "better the devil you know" is just going to lead to more of the same. And I'm just sick of it.

23 minutes ago, Pates said:

He made an account because he want to join the conversation and made some extremely good points. I have been one advocating for calm heads and patience but I have to confess my patience with Goody is running very thin.

Our issues aren't out of the blue and if we were to act of sacking him it wouldn't be just through the result of one really bad loss (as it was for Bailey in hindsight). We lost to a blues outfit that were devoid of confidence the week before, we let slip a 46 point lead against a fellow cellar-dweller, I could spend hours naming the issues we have had that have resulted in a clear regression and as much as I will be grateful to Simon for helping us get our premiership, a lot of it has to fall on his shoulders. He is absolutely not alone in this by the way.

You cited Daniher as an example of what can go wrong with changing coach, fair enough. But the decision to appoint Neeld when there were clearly better candidates available rest with the board at the time. There are good senior candidates available and there are always assistants that are ready to take the next step. Staying with Simon because of "better the devil you know" is just going to lead to more of the same. And I'm just sick of it.

You are not alone Pates.

I did find this funny amongst all of the pain!

Saw this infographic on Twitter of Melbourne's performances under Goodwin. Thought it was pretty cool.

2018 you can see the large range of margins which showed how unsustainable it was.

The downward trend of 2021 to 2025 is really noticeable here.

4 hours ago, Cassiew said:

Not going to waste my time with a sock puppet account.

Goodwin strategy … we will take away learnings !!! Ffs.

“We’ll just own it and do something about it and make sure it never happens again”.

4 hours ago, Cassiew said:

You made an account to “tell me off.” Well done. Not going to waste my time with a sock puppet account.

Actually that’s kinda sad. Trolling.

Cassie, rightly or wrongly he/she felt passionate about it enough to squarely bat your bowling. Thats all.

The post didn't come out with ink pink you stink. Etc It laid out a reasoned and contextual rebuttal.

We've all got something to say. Apparently not everyone agrees with me. Shocking isn't it.

I welcome yours and most everyone's posts. I welcome aboard the pain train possiblework1999.

From my experience with boards. They are fairly clueless to what is really going in. They get told what they want to hear from 1 or 2 people who are just trying to make themselves look good and putting them first over the organisation. I've seen a big organisation go from well run and fantastic moral to the complete opposite and it took the board 3 years to figure out something is not right.

The problem they had was getting their information from too little amount of people, all on the same level of the organisation.

There has to be fluidity from top to bottom. Everyone from the players to the ceo should be able to get their thoughts across to the board or anyone to anyone else.

No role should be solely placed with one individual. Especially when it comes to player acquisitions as it's very much a personal evaluation.

I'm not a fan of seperated line coaches. Each coach should be on the same wavelength and the team coached as a team. Sure do some sessions divided up but at the moment it's like 3 different teams coming together on gameday.

Basically what I'm saying is I hope they are looking into the system of communication within the club and making sure the board gets every but if information at every meeting. Our player acquisitions are looked at and discussed with as many minds as possible.

Even the review was done by one person which I find extremely unprofessional from the club.