Oliver Trade Rumours

[Undeeterred 3,088]

1 hour ago, Demonland said:

 

It’s incredible how much the media drive the narrative to the point where marginal possibilities become self fulfilling prophecies 

[demonzz 111]

As I had said earlier,  ok he might want out , but why do our gu s sign lo g term deals then want out , wtf ,  if we let them go for donuts I am done, financially that is .

[Billy 2,493]

4 minutes ago, Brenno said:

I'll get shot down for this I'm sure, but if the Dees Trade Oliver to Geelong, I'll be done with this club.

This is the first time in my 20 years as a member that I have even considered such a thing.  

Yep me too, 36 year member, can’t trust the club anymore.

[BDA 22,399]

16 minutes ago, Brenno said:

I'll get shot down for this I'm sure, but if the Dees Trade Oliver to Geelong, I'll be done with this club.

This is the first time in my 20 years as a member that I have even considered such a thing.  

No you won't. You're rusted on same as the rest of us.

[Deez21 222]

1 hour ago, Demonland said:

 

It’s just unbelievable how ONCE again,

less than a month after the petracca debacle, the club has bungled another big call

 

who is running the show. Were

Somehow a bigger basket case than we were during the Neeld era 

[Flowergirl 456]

4 minutes ago, Billy said:

Yep me too, 36 year member, can’t trust the club anymore.

I've gone for them all my life, and will still support them but I'm not going to renew my membership until I feel better about the direction the club is going in. 

[DeelightfulPlay 2,516]

12 minutes ago, bing181 said:

Only goes so far with ADHD (though can certainly help), and there can be side effects which might be incompatible with elite level sport. But biggest issue is consistency, with many people stopping their medication or not taking it as required.

Medication itself is not a silver bullet.  Structure, exercise, figuring out works best for themselves any day of the week, support network (both formal and informal)... There are over 200 genetic markers for ADHD and each person has a different mixture, nevermind the environmental factors, the experience of societal stigma, and how symptoms can change across a person's lifetime (and also affected by lack of sleep, hydration, diet, stress etc).  What works one day, one month, one year may not work the next. 

It's not to say that a person with ADHD does not have personal responsibility and accountability, just that even in good scenarios it can be a handful.  

It's no surprise that a lot of the issues about and surrounding Clarry correspond to the time he gets his first significant injury (and the loss of structure and routine that comes from that).

(Using your post to further the convo Bing181.  Thanks for posting on this topic!)

Edited Thursday at 09:09 by DeelightfulPlay
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[corndog 12]

I've been a fan my whole life and a  member for the last 15 years consecutive. If Oliver goes to Geelong I'm done.

[Mel Bourne 4,429]

1 hour ago, DeeZee said:

Everyone seems to be blaming Pert, and I’m not really a fan , but isn’t the cause of all this Clarry himself?

He was warned and asked to change his ways a year ago , but apparently has transgressed again.

Best on baller I’ve ever seen at Melbourne , and the whole thing is devastating, but what are we supposed to do??

Regardless of how you feel about him, five years is too long to be the CEO of a professional sporting club. That aside, this is a train wreck and at the end of the day, he’s the train driver. 

[Rab D Nesbitt 8,186]

For anyone finding it hard to get designated seats in Tridents or Redlegs areas next to friends or family it might be a good time to ring the club, what with so many people saying they won't renew. 

[KLV 1,762]

1 hour ago, Demonland said:

 

The news just keeps getting better and better 

[Demonland 70,460]

 

[No. 31 1,101]

9 minutes ago, Undeeterred said:

It’s incredible how much the media drive the narrative to the point where marginal possibilities become self fulfilling prophecies 

Most definitely. They are trying to push an outcome. It is as clear as day.

MFC should be digging in their heels. Its not like there is another huge incoming star trade so the cap space is desperately needed right now. If a decent offer is not on the table Clarry should be playing with the Dees in 2025. If he needs to spend time at Casey, so be it.

Another alternative path is that Clarry gets his act together, Trac is back and the Dees start next year well ... then who knows ...

[Supreme_Demon 3,435]

This whole Clayton Oliver fiasco has been exhausting. Gary Pert has a lot to answer for sticking his nose in where it doesn't belong and contradicting what Simon Goodwin has been saying.

I don't think interim President Brad Green reads the Demonland Forum. But I would highly recommend people who are Melbourne members send emails to him telling him your displeasure about Clayton Oliver possibly being traded.

His email is: [email protected]

If enough people send angry emails then hopefully he will listen.

[whatwhat say what 22,303]

Just now, Mel Bourne said:

Regardless of how you feel about him, five years is too long to be the CEO of a professional sporting club. That aside, this is a train wreck and at the end of the day, he’s the train driver. 

fwiw trevor nisbett is widely regarded as one of the best ceo's the competition has ever had

has been ceo at meth coke since 1999; he's finishing up there this year - he started at the club in 1989

 

[Oxdee 286]

28 minutes ago, Brenno said:

I'll get shot down for this I'm sure, but if the Dees Trade Oliver to Geelong, I'll be done with this club.

This is the first time in my 20 years as a member that I have even considered such a thing.  

The issue is that they know much more about the situation and understand much more about football than our supporter base. You need to give them the benefit of the doubt because most here are just part time analysts 

[layzie 33,282]

5 minutes ago, Dr. Gonzo said:

I've been a member for 35 consecutive years since I was a kid, this is the first time I've seriously considered not rejoining. I couldn't go to many games this season and the club is a basketcase, not really sure what the point is.

We devote a lot of our lives fronting up to games each week from March to September. For some there's probably no place they would rather be, for others there is sacrifice.

I'm red and blue till I die but considering that we're the ones keeping them in jobs it is a massive gut punch.

When I pay my membership each year, I don't expect winning as a pass mark, I don't even expect to be good consistently. But the one, basic fundamental I except is for this football club to be run properly, not losing control and being plastered across the papers every week.

[DemonOX 8,722]

9 minutes ago, Flowergirl said:

I've gone for them all my life, and will still support them but I'm not going to renew my membership until I feel better about the direction the club is going in. 

You might be waiting a while Flowergirl!!!!

[Norm Smith's Curse 2,541]

1 hour ago, Demonland said:

 

'Look Clazz, when we said we loved all the work you had done this year, it was really just to improve your trade value, behind your back we were trying to off load you, but no hard feelings, please come to the BAF'

[DeesignerAU 349]

8 minutes ago, Deez21 said:

It’s just unbelievable how ONCE again,

less than a month after the petracca debacle, the club has bungled another big call

 

who is running the show. Were

Somehow a bigger basket case than we were during the Neeld era 

What do you expect? We have a CEO that runs rampant (from his home/office in Noosa) and a toothless board full of professional board members (plenty of experience as board members - not much in terms of running a football club) who not only can't keep the CEO in line but don't know what's going on in the club they are (supposedly elected - more like appointed) there to run, despite all the certificates on their walls from the institute of company directors.

[layzie 33,282]

If it has solely taken the review to reveal something about Clarry being detrimental to our culture and future success, then the people running this club are even more delusional bastards than I thought they were. 

Edited Thursday at 09:21 by layzie

[Cosmic Baby 26]

1 hour ago, Demonland said:

 

Why is he being urged to attend the B&F? Didn't Brand Petracca require an exemption to go training overseas? 

[Return to Glory 8,384]

22 minutes ago, Undeeterred said:

It’s incredible how much the media drive the narrative to the point where marginal possibilities become self fulfilling prophecies 

It's bloody Orwellian and the Ministry for Truth, isn't it. 

[Oxdee 286]

23 minutes ago, Undeeterred said:

It’s incredible how much the media drive the narrative to the point where marginal possibilities become self fulfilling prophecies 

Blaming the media for this is a stretch 

[Ethan Tremblay 30,391]

I personally think it shows maturity making the decision not to attend a medical appointment whilst still drunk.