Oliver Trade Rumours

[dazzledavey36 54,944]

7 minutes ago, Blistering said:

I'm relaxed and I know that he won't be traded and I'm not saying you're implying that.

The problem is that Cornes, Morris and their cohorts are saying with a straight face that it would be the right thing for the club to do. That's what's controversial.

PaulRB is right - it's more than controversial. It's an insult to the club and to us supporters.

That's literally their job... create controversy, generate clicks, annoy supporters.

I can certainly guarantee their bosses aren't pulling them into the office for a written warning for the generating clicks and creating controversy.. even though I still think what they have said is nothing on what we've already heard this year 

Everyone wants the piece of the pie in being a big hot shot Journo. Example A being the two journalists in WA with their treatment of Adam Simpson.

The footy media landscape is only going to get much worse.

Edited July 18 by dazzledavey36

[Ethan Tremblay 30,861]

The media were all over the club and Oliver during the pre-season and at the beginning of the season. Morris is continuing to set-up the narrative around Oliver, now that we’re approaching the end of the home and away season. Once the season is complete and prior to the trade period, Morris will then go all in on the rumour (that he created). 

Edited July 18 by Ethan Tremblay

[Jaded No More 68,915]

5 minutes ago, Ethan Tremblay said:

The media were all over the club and Oliver during pre-season and at the beginning of the season. Morris is continuing to set-up the narrative around Oliver, now that we’re approaching the end of the home and away season. Once the season is complete and prior to the trade period, Morris will then go all in on the rumour (that he created). 

I liked him better when he was getting fired for misogyny 

[forever demons 2,220]

48 minutes ago, WalkingCivilWar said:

I didn’t know you knew him personally. You do know him personally, right? RIGHT?? If so, there must be two Clarries coz the one I’ve gotten to know in the past six months is NOTHING as you describe.

Fat-shaming too, what a nice piece of works you are.

Ok he is not at his best right now,but I think he is being played diferently by Goody to get the best out of him.But iam getting a little tired of the lets feel sorry for Clarry attitude.Hes a grown man time to be one.Also played most games this year so must be fit by now

[binman 42,972]

1 hour ago, whatwhat say what said:

"since i left you" is the greatest oztrayan album of all time

Totally agree.

I reckon it's certainly the most influential in terms of its impact on music internationally.

DJ shadow's endtroducing and since i left you changed the use of sampling from hooks and background effects in dance tracks and hip hop to being an instrument in its own right.

Both stand up still too.

Fun fact - Madonna has never approved one of her songs being sampled, until allowing avalanches to sample holiday on that album.

Which was crazy because at the time avalanches weren't even.a thing. Just some unknown guys Australia recording an.album that at the time had no applicable genre

I think ink I'm right in saying it's still the only sample Madonna has approved.

Avalanches recent music is awesome too by the by.

Edited July 18 by binman

[BLWNBA 1,004]

2 hours ago, binman said:

It's also quite fun watching self styled iconoclasts unable to resist the need to make such comments.

'oh you silly fan boys you are all so silly taking the bait.

It doesnt bother me of course that you do, but i'm a rugged individual above such ridiculousness and I find you all so funny'

I mean, seriously, other people critising cornes rings your bell so much you feel the need to post about your discomfort (dressed up as derision)?

You seemingly have no insight into  the irony and contradiction at work here.

 

That sure is a lot of words to say very little. 

[Freddy Fuschia 741]

6 hours ago, Travy14 said:

Whilst Oliver has been down on his AFL ELITE standards. he is still ave or above ave in the key statistics.  He has clearly gone to a defensive mid role this year as he doesn't have his usual tank.  He wont be going anywhere unless he wants a change.  

Which going on his rel with goody i can't see that happening.  I'm sure Kane wouldn't have said the same about Peter Burgoyne in 2000 when he was in off field strife.

Thanks for posting this - yes. He's down on his elite standards which is where he was in the first half of 2023 when he was getting up to near 40 disposals per game. Those figures need to also be taken in conjunction with his time on ground which is one of the other factors that sees him down from elite to average or above average in a number of categories.

I'm sure there will be a lot of time put into getting a full pre season into his body and legs so that he can get up to elite in every category and then watch out.

 

 

[whatwhat say what 22,757]

22 minutes ago, binman said:

Totally agree.

I reckon it's certainly the most influential in terms of its impact on music internationally.

DJ shadow's endtroducing and since i left you changed the use of sampling from hooks and background effects in dance tracks and hip hop to being an instrument in its own right.

Both stand up still too.

Fun fact - Madonna has never approved one of her songs being sampled, until allowing avalanches to sample holiday on that album.

Which was crazy because at the time avalanches weren't even.a thing. Just some unknown guys Australia recording an.album that at the time had no applicable genre

I think ink I'm right in saying it's still the only sample Madonna has approved.

Avalanches recent music is awesome too by the by.

"paul's boutique" walked so that "endtroducing" could run

she didn't approve the "holiday" sample, hence why it's only on the 'gimix' mixtape that they gave out before the album came out that had all the 'unapproved' samples

i don't think she approved the ciccone youth sample that's used in the cover of "into the groove(y)" either

you coming to kim gordon next week?

[Dr. Gonzo 24,219]

41 minutes ago, binman said:

Totally agree.

I reckon it's certainly the most influential in terms of its impact on music internationally.

DJ shadow's endtroducing and since i left you changed the use of sampling from hooks and background effects in dance tracks and hip hop to being an instrument in its own right.

Both stand up still too.

Fun fact - Madonna has never approved one of her songs being sampled, until allowing avalanches to sample holiday on that album.

Which was crazy because at the time avalanches weren't even.a thing. Just some unknown guys Australia recording an.album that at the time had no applicable genre

I think ink I'm right in saying it's still the only sample Madonna has approved.

Avalanches recent music is awesome too by the by.

Love both those albums, Endtroducing could play on repeat for hours

[whatwhat say what 22,757]

1 minute ago, Dr. Gonzo said:

Love both those albums, Endtroducing could play on repeat for hours

i highly recommend j dilla's"donuts" too

[von 1,567]

2 hours ago, whatwhat say what said:

yeah, but at which club...

He ain’t leaving. 

[Neil Crompton 5,560]

4 hours ago, Dee Viney Intervention said:

Far too many in the media deal in opinions and not facts. As for Tom Morris he is a giant skid mark on the @zz end of the y fronts of society. 

Just my additional thoughts - your choice if you want to use it. 

[binman 42,972]

1 hour ago, BLWNBA said:

That sure is a lot of words to say very little. 

Sick burn bro

[SthSea22 618]

Don't think we will ever see the old Clarry in terms of disposals etc

[binman 42,972]

1 hour ago, whatwhat say what said:

"paul's boutique" walked so that "endtroducing" could run

she didn't approve the "holiday" sample, hence why it's only on the 'gimix' mixtape that they gave out before the album came out that had all the 'unapproved' samples

i don't think she approved the ciccone youth sample that's used in the cover of "into the groove(y)" either

you coming to kim gordon next week?

From Madonna's official website:

HOLIDAY TO BE SAMPLED BY THE AVALANCHES

March 30, 2001

According NME, Madonna's 17 year old classic 1980's Hit single Holiday is to appear on a new album by The Avalanches. Now, the classic celebration of life hit single will soon be sampled in an instrumental version on the album track Stay Another Season. A spokesman for The Avalanches said, When Madonna went into her office with the new CD, she listened to it and then said the band could use the sample. They never expected to use it but they were really pleased she let them do it. The new album by The Avalanches called Since I left You will be on sale in music stores everywhere on April 15th.

[DubDee 25,869]

Tom Morris must be loving these 5 pages being generated off his made up nonsense

Please stop posting. Don't pour fuel on the fire.

(yes I know the irony of me posting to state this)

[binman 42,972]

1 hour ago, whatwhat say what said:

"paul's boutique" walked so that "endtroducing" could run

she didn't approve the "holiday" sample, hence why it's only on the 'gimix' mixtape that they gave out before the album came out that had all the 'unapproved' samples

i don't think she approved the ciccone youth sample that's used in the cover of "into the groove(y)" either

you coming to kim gordon next week?

Nup.

Forgot about it to be honest.

An all time favorite gig of mine was seeing Social Youth, supported by Bored, at the Colendena Hotel in Torquay

Only about 200 people there. Just a crazy good gig.  

[Gawndy the Great 9,011]

3 minutes ago, DubDee said:

Tom Morris must be loving these 5 pages being generated off his made up nonsense

Please stop posting. Don't pour fuel on the fire.

(yes I know the irony of me posting to state this)

can the real slimshady Tom Morris please stand up, please stand up.

[Fat Tony 5,231]

Goodwin has shown that he is capable of making ruthless decisions on players who are distractions. This is definitely a 'watch this space' and, if we do put Oliver on the trade block again, I trust that the club knows more than us.

I view salary cap space as the club's most important football asset (much more important than picks because the draft is inefficient and players can get to their preferred clubs) and so an Oliver trade could look terrible on the surface but leave us in a better position.

I also think that the difference between Oliver being a superstar and a plodder is whether or not he can regain his elite speed. He is not a great kick and, when he cannot break away from congestion, he has become a liability on the field. Is the loss of Oliver's breakaway speed due to his poor preseason or is it due to age and the rest of the competition catching up? (I am sure it is both, but it is hard to say which is more.)

[Neil Crompton 5,560]

3 hours ago, WalkingCivilWar said:

I didn’t know you knew him personally. You do know him personally, right? RIGHT?? If so, there must be two Clarries coz the one I’ve gotten to know in the past six months is NOTHING as you describe.

Fat-shaming too, what a nice piece of works you are.

I think his last line sums up this poster pretty well. Empathy has never been his strong suit. His analysis work is usually spot on, and engaging, but when he “plays the man”, he loses me every time.

[58er 6,440]

42 minutes ago, SthSea22 said:

Don't think we will ever see the old Clarry in terms of disposals etc

Why not if he has a trouble free pre season? No  reason at all just half glass empty supporter/s who don’t look logically why he is not as fit or quick as he’s was. It’s al about pre season that the Club has on tap! 

[Young Blood 2,620]

The media are always going to generate a story from something. In this instance its based on some sort of facts:

- Clayton's clearly had a down year by his lofty standards due to a multiple of reasons we're all aware of

- Clubs will certainly be enquiring to see if there is a 'buy low' opportunity where they can trade for him for less of his value pre 2023

- Kane (while being a total bobble head) is correct in that teams will be scared of his salary without the assurance he's going to get back to the player he was. But also that Melbourne might be enticed to get that salary (or at least a high fraction) off their books to open up more flexibility.

 

That all being said as others have noted I don't think he's going anywhere. The main reason being that he's turning 27 this weekend and still has his prime in front of him if he wants it with a club that is right behind him, backing him in. The club simply won't gamble with him like that if they truly believe he can get back to his best. There's been enough this year to show even if not fully fit for a full season, that he's still important and effective. With a full preseason, I think he can get back to being a top 10 midfielder.

Edited July 18 by Young Blood

[JJJ 1,286]

There was a pic of Oliver’s hand the week he came back doing the rounds at the time. Considering his hand was stuffed before he had it operated on, his ability to play post surgery was incredible. It looked awful. 

Up until this year, he’s been one of our top 3 players since his 2nd season.

People should give him a break and be respectful of his illness.

[dazzledavey36 54,944]

48 minutes ago, Neil Crompton said:

I think his last line sums up this poster pretty well. Empathy has never been his strong suit. His analysis work is usually spot on, and engaging, but when he “plays the man”, he loses me every time.

@Gator needs to post more.

One of the more respected members of this page for many years. From a footy analysis point of view he just calls it as he sees it and you can never have enough of people of that ilk around here.

[Lexinator 1,677]

5 hours ago, Moonshadow said:

Love that they all touched Gus' helmet as they ran up the race to the ground

I believe they have been doing that since Rd1 - great way honour the great man, Gussy.

It's just they don't have a camera down the races with the team so you have to watch carefully to see them do it when they come onto the ground. I've missed a few games so not sure if it's just for home games or every game?

Brisbane have been doing a similar thing for a few seasons with a boxing gloves hanging at their home games, but haven't looked into why they do it or it's just a motivation ritual they've adopted perhaps. They usually have a camera down the races so you often see this.

Anyway, great respect shown to Gus. I'd personally like to see until they will their next flag 😍