The Controversial Discussion about the Knee that needs to be had

[Monbon 1,840]

On 12/06/2024 at 05:54, Redleg said:

That is not a stupid idea.

You can go for a mark without using the knee, as basketballers do when jumping for the ball.

It is something that should be looked at.

I made a similar post after Petracca's injury. The rule as it stands is a kind of demented adoration of 'The Speccie'.

[Monbon 1,840]

On 12/06/2024 at 07:54, joeboy said:

I suspect that ‘banning’ the process of knees into the back will eliminate the whole concept of taking a hanger

There’s only a handful of players who have the dexterity to leap above their opponent’s shoulders without including the back for liftoff 

So what? So The hanger' is more sacred than life??????

[Dee*ceiving 1,724]

To my eye, Darcy is choosing to insert his knee into his opponents back. I would argue he could have still spoiled effectively v Witts and Trac whilst having his knee avoid his opponents back, eg. Moore's knee passes by their left hip, or, Moore turns his body to the right so that his upper thigh/hip strikes his opponent in the back. 

The overarching rule and concept should be; 

• All players have a duty of care for all other players on the ground
  • Players taking any action, whether it be to contest the ball, in the air or on the ground, or shepherd /block for team mate must act in a manner that minimises the risk of their actions resulting in an injury to an opponent, even if this means risking their own well being
  • Taking any action that results in an injury to an opponent, where in most circmstances an injury would not occur will be subject to investigation, repeat offence may attract discipline/punishment

That's just a quick/simplistic wording trying to convey the concept...

The word mimises is key for mine. This is a 180* turn from the 100+ year culture in footy where making an opponent 'earn it/feel it/regret it' has been a motivator/sign of strenght/badge of honour.  

[sue 9,172]

2 minutes ago, Dee*ceiving said:

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The word mimises is key for mine. This is a 180* turn from the 100+ year culture in footy where making an opponent 'earn it/feel it/regret it' has been a motivator/sign of strenght/badge of honour.  

Sadly most of the commentators are 100+ years old mentally.

[DubDee 26,299]

16 hours ago, dees189227 said:

I just saw on the news witts has a fractured vertebrae from Moore. 

Is anyone going to start calling this out?

I accepted what happened to trac was an accident but now another player cops an injury

And Witts went back on too.  I assume everyone is going to crucify the Suns medical department like they did with us about Trac coming back on?

It's almost like they can't do CT scans on the bench isn't it?

[Mel Bourne 4,537]

2 hours ago, Young Angus said:

They were discussing this briefly on SEN this morning.

I don't think anyone thinks Moore is being malicious trying to hurt opponents, but his track record injuring players needs to be looked at and it is his technique that's obviously causing it.  That shouldn't be allowed, I mean he almost killed someone and the numbers are starting to add up that Trac was absolutely NOT an isolated incident.  He is hurting people, intentionally or not but people are getting hurt by this guy and his technique.  

Hmmm, I think there are quite a few people on this forum alone who are at odds with this thought. I don’t agree with them, for what it’s worth. 

[Engorged Onion 10,224]

@Monbon @demon3165 - pm your grievances to each other. The public airing, isn’t working for those that want to read the thread. Cheerio 😀

[Young Angus 850]

23 minutes ago, Engorged Onion said:

@Monbon @demon3165 - pm your grievances to each other. The public airing, isn’t working for those that want to read the thread. Cheerio 😀

Yes please, good suggestion.

[Dee*ceiving 1,724]

2 hours ago, Mel Bourne said:

Hmmm, I think there are quite a few people on this forum alone who are at odds with this thought. I don’t agree with them, for what it’s worth. 

Not malicous, but I'd query perhaps reckless and certainly avoidable. 

I would guess every key defender would have at least 1 or 2 chances each game to do some damage with a knee to someones back, but only 1 has managed to do significant damage, twice in the space of 3 weeks... 

To my knowledge Jake Lever has managed not to hurt someone with a well placed knee in 170+ games... 

[Mel Bourne 4,537]

35 minutes ago, Dee*ceiving said:

Not malicous, but I'd query perhaps reckless and certainly avoidable. 

I would guess every key defender would have at least 1 or 2 chances each game to do some damage with a knee to someones back, but only 1 has managed to do significant damage, twice in the space of 3 weeks... 

To my knowledge Jake Lever has managed not to hurt someone with a well placed knee in 170+ games... 

Sure, I can agree with most of that. Was more referring to certain posters who are convinced Moore set out to do some damage. 

[Ethan Tremblay 31,243]

Can the title of the thread please be updated? It irks me. The discussion isn’t controversial and the title is just too long. 

Edited July 3, 2024 by Ethan Tremblay

[BoBo 2,953]

11 minutes ago, Ethan Tremblay said:

Can the title of the thread please be updated? It irks me. The discussion isn’t controversial and the title is just too long. 

Kneepocalypse?

Kneegate?

[Moonshadow 17,678]

I think it's only a matter of time before the knee to an opponents head in the marking contest is banned. Concussion is the AFLs biggest worry at the moment, if the law suits are successful they may have no choice to ensure any head contract is banned, any contact at all.

I get that a speckie is one of the true highlights of the game, and that should continue, but without contact to the head. Difficult as that may be, players will train for it and adapt

There is no other situation in a game where head contract is permitted.  You can't knee an opponent's head on the ground in a contest, a ruck cannot leap and knee the other ruck in the head, the hip and shoulder went years ago.

It's time for the knee to the head in a marking contest to be penalised

[dees189227 12,453]

If Moore keeps it going, he's going to be owing a lot of players dinners

[Demonstone 23,336]

4 hours ago, Ethan Tremblay said:

Can the title of the thread please be updated? It irks me.

Maybe restrict access to the thread on a kneed to know basis?

[monoccular 17,642]

13 hours ago, Young Angus said:

They were discussing this briefly on SEN this morning.

I don't think anyone thinks Moore is being malicious trying to hurt opponents, but his track record injuring players needs to be looked at and it is his technique that's obviously causing it.  That shouldn't be allowed, I mean he almost killed someone and the numbers are starting to add up that Trac was absolutely NOT an isolated incident.  He is hurting people, intentionally or not but people are getting hurt by this guy and his technique.  

I doubt if anyone here looks at Collingwood practice sessions - but I suspect that Moore doesn't attempt to spoil his team mates in such a reckless manner.

11 hours ago, DubDee said:

And Witts went back on too.  I assume everyone is going to crucify the Suns medical department like they did with us about Trac coming back on?

It's almost like they can't do CT scans on the bench isn't it?

FCS I recall someone (in the immediate aftermath) trying to even criticise Goody for allowing Trac to be playing in the forward line 

2 hours ago, Moonshadow said:

I think it's only a matter of time before the knee to an opponents head in the marking contest is banned. Concussion is the AFLs biggest worry at the moment, if the law suits are successful they may have no choice to ensure any head contract is banned, any contact at all.

I get that a speckie is one of the true highlights of the game, and that should continue, but without contact to the head. Difficult as that may be, players will train for it and adapt

There is no other situation in a game where head contract is permitted.  You can't knee an opponent's head on the ground in a contest, a ruck cannot leap and knee the other ruck in the head, the hip and shoulder went years ago.

It's time for the knee to the head in a marking contest to be penalised

It appeared to even be acceptable earlier this year when Max received a knee to the back of the head in a ruck contest by de Koenig I think - "PLAY ON"!!!  But of cause the sanctimonious hypocrites in charge say "the head is sacrosanct".😡

[Dee*ceiving 1,724]

12 hours ago, monoccular said:

It appeared to even be acceptable earlier this year when Max received a knee to the back of the head in a ruck contest by de Koenig I think - "PLAY ON"!!!  But of cause the sanctimonious hypocrites in charge say "the head is sacrosanct".😡

Spot on. It was Stanley or Blicavs I think, v Geelong. The knee felled Max who was left rubbing his head (again) whilst Geelong whisked the ball away for a goal. Utterly ridiculous, amateur hour stuff (and/or corrupt umpiring) 

[monoccular 17,642]

On 03/07/2024 at 15:15, Mel Bourne said:

Sure, I can agree with most of that. Was more referring to certain posters who are convinced Moore set out to do some damage. 

Maybe Moore didn't set out to do damage, but maybe he didn't really care if he did.

[Mel Bourne 4,537]

15 minutes ago, monoccular said:

Maybe Moore didn't set out to do damage, but maybe he didn't really care if he did.

Did you see Trac’s interview on AFL 360? He very much made a point about him and Moore’s friendship, and the level of concern Moore showed in the aftermath. 

[layzie 34,326]

Find it hard to have this discussion with my friends without the terms 'precedent' and what we love about the game being 'lost'. 

Just because a ton of species happened with someone getting KO'd to the head by a knee doesn't mean this has to be the way going forward. If unrealistic attempts are frees against then a speccy with high contact should be as well in my view. Then the skill would be even more appreciated. Stand on shoulders even backs no problem but contact to the head, layzie says no.

I still remember Majak taking a huge mark over Nev down in Tassie around 2017 and completely taking him out, thought he was dead.