I recall that Carey said Neeta was consistently his most difficult opponent.

2 hours ago, DeeVoted said:

I don't need to read it again Your mistake will still be wrong. Neitz was a forward 1st. NOT a CHB then became a forward.

Your statement  BECAME a forward is wrong. He was shifted to the backline from the forward line.

I didnt say he wasnt a forward first just that he was a chb who became a forward how is that wrong.And i can remember him and schwata inthe under 19s and thinking we had a couple of champs

1 hour ago, Roost it far said:

No one’s eager to write anyone off. But when you’ve watched a lot of footy the first thing you look for is an appetite for the contest. They’ve all got great skills that can continue to be worked on. Appetite is the split second difference that defines the best players in this sport. I and others, including much better footy brains than me, don’t see it with Jefferson. Can he prove the doubters wrong, yes but it’s unlikely 

I've seen plenty from him that warrants further investment. Not saying he'll definitely make it but I wouldn't be putting a line through his name after one season.

On 09/03/2024 at 22:22, Abyssal said:

Yeah, It’s not new, we tried that with Diamond Jim Tilbrook , only problem was it was during actual matches for 4 points. He did kick it to the centre after a kick- in though.

measured at 84 metres

7 hours ago, DeeVoted said:

 

 

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6 hours ago, rjay said:

Not sure we've sold the farm in early draft picks.

We've been pretty successful.

Weid is the only top 10 KPF of recent times that's been a bust.

It could be argued that both Hogan and Jackson were busts as key forwards, in that we couldn't keep them at the club. Whilst we did get decent picks in return for them, it has clearly left a vacuum in personnel and development in that area of our list.

And before anyone claims Jackson is a ruck, he would've been a key forward and 2nd fiddle ruck to Max and currently is that to Darcy (when Darcy's not injured)

5 minutes ago, Moonshadow said:

It could be argued that both Hogan and Jackson were busts as key forwards, in that we couldn't keep them at the club. Whilst we did get decent picks in return for them, it has clearly left a vacuum in personnel and development in that area of our list.

And before anyone claims Jackson is a ruck, he would've been a key forward and 2nd fiddle ruck to Max and currently is that to Darcy (when Darcy's not injured)

There is no doubt Jackson has been a big loss...

Hogan would be really handy now but I think we did well in the trade.

I'm not sure we sold the farm but I get your point.

8 hours ago, DeeVoted said:

Incorrect information. Neitz started his MFC career as a forward *in the forward line*.

This may be a false memory, but I could swear I watched Nietz's first kick in AFL - a shot for goal that bounced off the top of the goal post. 

9 hours ago, Moonshadow said:

It could be argued that both Hogan and Jackson were busts as key forwards, in that we couldn't keep them at the club. Whilst we did get decent picks in return for them, it has clearly left a vacuum in personnel and development in that area of our list.

And before anyone claims Jackson is a ruck, he would've been a key forward and 2nd fiddle ruck to Max and currently is that to Darcy (when Darcy's not injured)

It could be argued, but any such argument would be weak. 

Hogan brought supporter interest back during the Roos era, left us for a host of personal reasons which we had no chance of changing, and we “cashed” him in for Steven May, without whom we’d never have won the flag.

Jackson then also helped us win the flag and we “cashed” him in for three top picks.

On 10/03/2024 at 09:22, The Jackson FIX said:

Let’s just say I didn’t have AFL recruiters knocking down my door.

For all of his shortcomings at the top level, Brent was actually a fairly handy junior footballer 

No shame in an AFL Caliber player pantsing you in the juniors.
 

A lot of people don’t realise how much of a gun you have to be to even get drafted let alone play 90 games like Grgic. 
 

Grgic is closer to Lance Franklin on footballing ability then the average poster here is to Grgic. 

3 hours ago, titan_uranus said:

It could be argued, but any such argument would be weak. 

Hogan brought supporter interest back during the Roos era, left us for a host of personal reasons which we had no chance of changing, and we “cashed” him in for Steven May, without whom we’d never have won the flag.

Jackson then also helped us win the flag and we “cashed” him in for three top picks.

You missed the point I was making 

Whilst we got short term return from Hogan and Jackson, and some picks in return, their long term absence has left a big hole in that end of the ground for us.

Hence why we're now pinning our hopes on an injury prone key back who has played a handful of games forward, a scrawny, hunch-backed 19 yr old barely noticeable at VFL level, and an ex basketballer that Brisbane were prepared to trade for pick 47

We have arguably the best back line and midfield in the AFL, but a bottom 6 forward line. I think it cost us the flag last year, regardless of injury excuses

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My kingdom for Jackson. That’s why Fullerton is so important 

9 hours ago, Roost it far said:

My kingdom for Jackson. That’s why Fullerton is so important 

Fullearon has been down the pecking order (behind some fine players) at the Lions until now.  

Here should come his opportunity.  We will learn what he has to offer soon enough.  Let's all get behind him.  GO DEES.

On 10/03/2024 at 12:29, Slartibartfast said:

Calling @kev martin, have you seen Woey or Billing train with the backs at any stage this preseason?

I haven’t. 

Sorry hitchhiker didn't pick up the notification. 

Billings definitely haven’t and Woey no.

I've seen them work as defensive wings, but that is doing the rail running, and getting into the defensive zone structure.

 I reckon Woey would be better at it then Billings, as he is a bit more reserved, whereas Billings is a natural attacker. 

The next open training is the captain's run, that will give us a much better idea of where the selected will play.

Saturday 16 March

9:45am onwards

10 hours ago, Moonshadow said:

You missed the point I was making 

Whilst we got short term return from Hogan and Jackson, and some picks in return, their long term absence has left a big hole in that end of the ground for us.

Hence why we're now pinning our hopes on an injury prone key back who has played a handful of games forward, a scrawny, hunch-backed 19 yr old barely noticeable at VFL level, and an ex basketballer that Brisbane were prepared to trade for pick 47

We have arguably the best back line and midfield in the AFL, but a bottom 6 forward line. I think it cost us the flag last year, regardless of injury excuses

Well that wasn't really how I read "It could be argued that both Hogan and Jackson were busts as key forwards, in that we couldn't keep them at the club".

It sounds like your true argument is "we failed to deal with Hogan and Jackson leaving". I would disagree with that assessment re: Hogan, as converting him into May was precisely what we needed to do at the end fo 2018 and it paid off for 2021. For Jackson, we got the picks but whether or not they work out for us is clearly TBD.

And are you seriously calling JVR a "scrawny, hunch-backed 19 yr old barely noticeable at VFL level"?

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10 minutes ago, titan_uranus said:

Well that wasn't really how I read "It could be argued that both Hogan and Jackson were busts as key forwards, in that we couldn't keep them at the club".

It sounds like your true argument is "we failed to deal with Hogan and Jackson leaving". I would disagree with that assessment re: Hogan, as converting him into May was precisely what we needed to do at the end fo 2018 and it paid off for 2021. For Jackson, we got the picks but whether or not they work out for us is clearly TBD.

And are you seriously calling JVR a "scrawny, hunch-backed 19 yr old barely noticeable at VFL level"?

Think he’s talking about Jefferson 

12 hours ago, titan_uranus said:

Well that wasn't really how I read "It could be argued that both Hogan and Jackson were busts as key forwards, in that we couldn't keep them at the club".

It sounds like your true argument is "we failed to deal with Hogan and Jackson leaving". I would disagree with that assessment re: Hogan, as converting him into May was precisely what we needed to do at the end fo 2018 and it paid off for 2021. For Jackson, we got the picks but whether or not they work out for us is clearly TBD.

And are you seriously calling JVR a "scrawny, hunch-backed 19 yr old barely noticeable at VFL level"?

He is not talking about jvr. JVR is nothing like that. Quite the opposite.

12 hours ago, Kick_It_To_Pickett said:

Think he’s talking about Jefferson 

 

17 minutes ago, Bystander said:

He is not talking about jvr. JVR is nothing like that. Quite the opposite.

I sure hope so (not that it’s a particularly nice description of Jefferson).

Fullarton needs to come in and make an impact, he JVR and Fritsch need to work closely together to split up the defenders and our small need to crumb not compete in the air with them, open up the forward line isolate the defenders kick some easy goals. Jefferson is more a Fritta type of player but 7cm taller, probably better suited to a half forward flank at least initially but still 12 months off. Petty and JVR are our power fwd’s, we desperately need them out on the park with Fullarton and Fritsch.

Fullerton must play this week. This is why he was traded in.  Get it done.  Give him at least 6-7 weeks partnering with Gawn before we start to make judgement    

On 11/03/2024 at 22:37, titan_uranus said:

Well that wasn't really how I read "It could be argued that both Hogan and Jackson were busts as key forwards, in that we couldn't keep them at the club".

It sounds like your true argument is "we failed to deal with Hogan and Jackson leaving". I would disagree with that assessment re: Hogan, as converting him into May was precisely what we needed to do at the end fo 2018 and it paid off for 2021. For Jackson, we got the picks but whether or not they work out for us is clearly TBD.

And are you seriously calling JVR a "scrawny, hunch-backed 19 yr old barely noticeable at VFL level"?

Man alive! Can't get it, can you?

Helps if you know the physique of our players: Jefferson

Whatever, I'm moving on