PRESEASON TRAINING: Closed Sessions at Casey until 2024

[DeeZone 9,812]

How is Jed looking to you Hawk, he is the same size as Harrison so he is the right size for KPB, is he showing any signs.?

[Diamond_Jim 12,567]

13 minutes ago, Hawk the Demon said:

Jed's training and Harry isn't - still recovering from his injury.

But are you sure?

I suspect that one of the reasons for our closed sessions is that deep down under the Casey Snake Pit we are cloning players only to release them on alternative game days.

Secretly the match committee meet and decide which one of our clones will play

it's obvious... why else would we be training in secret half way to Gippsland !!

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On 05/12/2023 at 22:28, Bitter but optimistic said:

'Closed sessions' mean nothing to our intrepid Pulitzer Prize winning reporter @picket fence !!!

Drones anyone??

23 hours ago, Diamond_Jim said:

I'm warming to secret plays.

Spargo to mark the kickouts perhaps ?

And then to Schache who just slips off the bench

Sorry, but Josh is still nailed to the bench, never to be released.

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20 hours ago, demon3165 said:

Hate to tell you good teams make changes when they have to we one a flag in 21 and was bundled out in 22 and 23 in straight sets so do you think they will go with the exact game plan next year then?

Of course not. Despite the belief held by many posters on this forum that our gameplan has not changed since 2021, it has been adjusted each preseason due to changes in our list and the way the opposition has responded to it. However, once the season gets underway, successful teams adhere to their gameplan, so when players are injured, there are VFL players available to step in and carry out the plan. The issue we faced last season—which I previously discussed—was that we lost so many important players, leaving us shorthanded. The cupboard was bare. It is difficult to suddenly and drastically alter a system that players have become accustomed to and react instinctively to something different, especially during a finals campaign.

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25 minutes ago, djr said:

Of course not. Despite the belief held by many posters on this forum that our gameplan has not changed since 2021, it has been adjusted each preseason due to changes in our list and the way the opposition has responded to it. However, once the season gets underway, successful teams adhere to their gameplan, so when players are injured, there are VFL players available to step in and carry out the plan. The issue we faced last season—which I previously discussed—was that we lost so many important players, leaving us shorthanded. The cupboard was bare. It is difficult to suddenly and drastically alter a system that players have become accustomed to and react instinctively to something different, especially during a finals campaign.

it's ok that's your view I don't agree with it, I just don't wear coloured glasses when I watch football we have faults you don't see them, I called it in 22 and 23 so i am interested to see in 24 how we go about it.

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11 hours ago, Diamond_Jim said:

But are you sure?

I suspect that one of the reasons for our closed sessions is that deep down under the Casey Snake Pit we are cloning players only to release them on alternative game days.

Secretly the match committee meet and decide which one of our clones will play

it's obvious... why else would we be training in secret half way to Gippsland !!

Has anyone ever seen Harry and Jed together in the same room?

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22 hours ago, Slartibartfast said:

I know I'm a bit late to the party but I've been down to a couple of training sessions including Monday's, I enjoy watching the boys do their time trials but really it's not as indicative as some might think.  Trac struggles in the time trials because of his physique but that doesn't mean anything.

The younger boys, particularly the talls struggled.  Adams and Verrell were examples of this.  Sestan is not a natural athlete but is working hard on his fitness by the look of things as is Jefferson.  For a bloke of Tomlinson's size his running is outstanding.  He ran with Nibbler until there was about a lap and a half to go and then just went.  I thought he was on his last half lap when he broke away but no.  He was so strong and was really impressive.  But that doesn't mean he's a different footballer to last year, he's just an outstanding athlete.

When I go to these sessions I'm really only interested in the young blokes because in the main that's where the improvement will come from but it's such early days it's not really realistic to take much away. But in the wet last week I was impressed with how good the ball handling was from all players.  Verrell did some impressive stuff below his knees and it just shows he's got some skills which are rare in big men.  He may be a key position player prospect as well as a ruck.  His issue is his stamina, he couldn't play ruck at AFL level purely based on not being able to get to enough contests.

McAdam is another to impress.  He's just got that magical indigenous ability to make the difficult look easy and I'm really looking forward to seeing what he can do.  But he was another struggling with his running so that will be a watch.

As others have said The Kolt has swagger but it doesn't look like arrogance to me.  And he can kick it, both distance and accuracy.  He did a really good time trial so looks to have the fitness to play early.  Windsor hasn't stood out but what he's done he's done well.  Kicking is good and ball handling is clean.  I've liked what I've seen Kynan Brown do but he's as skinny as so it will be a while before he's ready even if he's got the skills, and Marty Hore just looks at home.

I've been a track watcher for a good long time now and I well remember watching James Strauss train and thinking he could be anything.  Training form at this time of year is very problematic in terms of predicting players development but we look pretty good.

As I've read the other posters comments the common comment is "I'm looking forward to seeing *insert player* get a go this year.  The issue of course is there will be very few spots up for grabs if we have a reasonably fit list.  Billings and McAdam can both play and would be in front of the young guys. Howes and Laurie (yes, I'm still a believer) have multiple preseasons under their belt and Woey looked promising last year for a second year player.  The question is "who for". I mean how does Kolt get a go?  Who does McAdam get in for and Billings as well.  Spargo has been impressive.

This brings me to my final point.  At this time of year we have unbelievable depth with far too few spots for the players.  But when we've lost a few games it's more like "we are just swapping the deck chairs on the Titanic".

It's groundhog day.

Surely hunter could go, he looks so slow for a wingman, with little penatration in his kicking.

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12 hours ago, DeeZone said:

How is Jed looking to you Hawk, he is the same size as Harrison so he is the right size for KPB, is he showing any signs.?

Yes Jed’s the same size as Harrison because HE IS HARRISON!!! 

[waynewussell 5,637]

1 hour ago, demonzz said:

Surely hunter could go, he looks so slow for a wingman, with little penatration in his kicking.

I don't agree with underestimating Hunter's worth! Here's a quick comparison with other prominent wingman types.

Hunter: games 197, av disposals 23

Ed Langdon: 157, 20

Bailey Smith: 103, 22

Isaac Smith: 280, 21

Josh Daicos: 103, 20

Edited December 7, 2023 by waynewussell

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1 hour ago, Katrina Dee Fan said:

Has anyone ever seen Harry and Jed together in the same room?

Not possible because NOT two people.

The Club may’ve got the idea from an episode of The Brady Bunch wherein a pair of glasses is all that separated Peter from his doppelgänger (see below). It worked a treat; even Peter’s siblings were fooled!

Edited December 7, 2023 by WalkingCivilWar

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2 hours ago, demon3165 said:

it's ok that's your view I don't agree with it, I just don't wear coloured glasses when I watch football we have faults you don't see them, I called it in 22 and 23 so i am interested to see in 24 how we go about it.

You are obviously not OK with my view. You immediately launch the tired accusation that posters like me and others that have a similar view are wearing coloured glasses if we don't agree with your view. Its kids playground stuff. It is simple to say that the game plan is the issue without providing any support or logic. Its lazy commentary. I find it unbelievable that you then double down on it and gloat about how perceptive you have been over the previous two years. Are you that single-minded that you cannot accept other explanations for the recent failures in finals?

Edited December 8, 2023 by djr

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38 minutes ago, djr said:

You are obviously not OK with my view. You immediately launch the tired accusation that posters like me and others that have a similar view are wearing coloured glasses if we don't agree with your view. Its kids playground stuff. It is simple to say that the game plan is the issue without providing any support or logic. Its lazy commentary. I find it unbelievable that you then double down on it and gloat about how perceptive you have been over the previous two years. Are you that single-minded that you cannot accept other explanations for the recent failures in finals?

Oh lets play the victim card Jesus I have on that many occasions explained myself if you are to lazy to read them then that's not my fault, and by the way where have I been wrong in 22 and 23 please point it out I will be waiting and as for me not accepting other explanations my suggest you look at yourself first.

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2 hours ago, WalkingCivilWar said:

Not possible because NOT two people.

The Club may’ve got the idea from an episode of The Brady Bunch wherein a pair of glasses is all that separated Peter from his doppelgänger (see below). It worked a treat; even Peter’s siblings were fooled!

we missed a big opportunity here

should have given jed to crows as harrison and reaped heaps of top picks

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On 06/12/2023 at 17:55, WalkingCivilWar said:

I think La Dee-vina is wondering what Ralphy finds so exciting about Dees vs Blues in particular. I too wonder what’s so remarkable about this matchup that it warrants not one but two exclamation marks. 

I dont think its so much about the match up as the sheer number of games both teams will be playing

[Hawk the Demon 987]

16 hours ago, DeeZone said:

How is Jed looking to you Hawk, he is the same size as Harrison so he is the right size for KPB, is he showing any signs.?

Absolutely, love is long, raking left foot kick. Good prospects with Jed and Disco coming through...

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5 hours ago, waynewussell said:

I don't agree with underestimating Hunter's worth! Here's a quick comparison with other prominent wingman types.

Hunter: games 197, av disposals 23

Ed Langdon: 157, 20

Bailey Smith: 103, 22

Isaac Smith: 280, 21

Josh Daicos: 103, 20

This maybe so, BUT, weakness is slowness , and what you do with the pill.Got others  to put pressure on him this year in Howes, Woewodin,Windsor & Brayshaw etc.

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17 minutes ago, D Rev said:

I dont think its so much about the match up as the sheer number of games both teams will be playing

Oh, I get it now. It’s because Blues and Dees are two of the participants in opening round. 

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On 08/12/2023 at 10:32, waynewussell said:

I don't agree with underestimating Hunter's worth! Here's a quick comparison with other prominent wingman types.

Hunter: games 197, av disposals 23

Ed Langdon: 157, 20

Bailey Smith: 103, 22

Isaac Smith: 280, 21

Josh Daicos: 103, 20

At this moment in time the only comparison should be games from 2023 and any reason there was some impairment 

 

so put those up and all things are then relevant for 2024

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6 minutes ago, 640MD said:

At this moment in time the only comparison should be games from 2023 and any reason there was some impairment 

 

so put those up and all things are then relevant for 2024

hunter 2023 24 games 13.18 kicks  10.12 handballs  23.29 disposals   5.09 marks  2.37 tackles  

[rjay 24,916]

23 hours ago, demon3165 said:

I have on that many occasions explained myself if you are to lazy to read them then that's not my fault,

Just had a quick read and you seem to be saying the game plan is at fault.

What would you have done differently with the list we took into finals this year?

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20 hours ago, jayceebee31 said:

This maybe so, BUT, weakness is slowness , and what you do with the pill.Got others  to put pressure on him this year in Howes, Woewodin,Windsor & Brayshaw etc.

Agree that hunter is not that quick.

From my perspective that is only an issue if there aren't enough quick players accross the team to balance it out.

But we didn't last season and it is no coincidence the two draftees are apparently good athletes who can cover the ground at speed. And as you suggest woey and Howes both have good toe. 

Such players should help hunter as opposed to being a threat for his role (which in time they no doubt will be).

It's a bit like kicking skills. I've long been of the view we haven't had enough elite kicks. And that hurt us last year.

But teams don't need more than say 5-6 elite kicks and 5-6 above average kicks. If they do they can carry some butchers.

The issue comes when there aren't enough elite and above average kicks as the turnover merchants, that every team have, have an outsize impact.

There was a lot of talk about our accuracy in our losses in big games, and fair enough too. In large part accuracy is a function of skill (sure ability to handle pressure is a factor but the stronger the technique the better mitigation of pressure).

But our turnovers on transition were just as big a factor, particularly in our last two losses against the blues. The impact of turnovers on transition often get overlooked I reckon.

Sure it's obvious when a turnover directly results in an oppo goal (and in our losses to the blues their score from turnover was almost double our season average - and ultimately cost us the semi with vineys turnover to weitering with 90 seconds to go).

But it's the opportunity cost from turnovers on transition that really hurt, whether the oppo score or not. That's to say a turnover breaks a potential scoring chain for us and costs us a scoring opportunity. 

Again, no coincidence that Taylor targeted players with good kicking skills.

On the DL podcast Taylor said they went best available, but I don't really believe that (though he did equivocate a bit to be fair).

I think they drafted more for need - specificlly speed, athletisim and foot skills.

Edited December 9, 2023 by binman

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14 minutes ago, binman said:

 

On the DL podcast Taylor said they went best available, but I don't really believe that (though he did equivocate a bit to be fair).

I think they drafted more for need - specificlly speed, athletisim and foot skills.

JT told the truth. He selected the best available who had speed, athleticism and foot skills.

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1 hour ago, rjay said:

Just had a quick read and you seem to be saying the game plan is at fault.

What would you have done differently with the list we took into finals this year?

I havre said it all before, so before I answer it why do you think we failed in 22 and against the pies in 23, 69 entries to 37 what does that tell you?

Edited December 9, 2023 by demon3165

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30 minutes ago, demon3165 said:

I havre said it all before, so before I answer it why do you think we failed in 22 and against the pies in 23, 69 entries to 37 what does that tell you?

I'm asking you what game plan you would have taken in and a follow up, why do you think it would have worked?

edit: or can you point me to a previous post where you've said it before?

Edited December 9, 2023 by rjay

[demon3165 2,717]

6 minutes ago, rjay said:

I'm asking you what game plan you would have taken in and a follow up, why do you think it would have worked?

edit: or can you point me to a previous post where you've said it before?

It's not my job to do your homework many people here know what I have said on this matter, I also asked you a question which you did not answer. Let's see what happens when you answer my question.