Do the Demons need to do a new football department review?

[Supreme_Demon 3,753]

I understand we did a football department review at the end of 2020. Or was it 2019? I can't remember exactly.🤔

Nevertheless, I thought that the MFC CEO Gary Pert did an excellent job with that review at the time.

My question is, do we need to do another football department review?

In some ways, it is also quite healthy to do a review every few years.

We definitely need to give the Demons senior coach Simon Goodwin more help and perhaps employ more development coaches. Especially if our football department budget is expanded to the Pre COVID-19 amount. We may or may not need a few new assistant coaches. Especially if we lose Adem Yze to the Richmond senior coach role. A specialist goal kicking coach may also come in handy? I think Mark "Choco" Williams has been brilliant at the Demons. However, we should aim to get more specialist coaches to assist our players.

Improving our forwardline connection and our goal kicking accuracy is crucial. However, our overall kicking efficiency around the ground needs to be greatly improved too.

I think an internal review is satisfactory. But should it be an external review this time?

Anyway, I am keen to hear the opinions of other Melbourne supporters about the suggestion of having a new football department review?

Edited September 21, 2023 by Supreme_Demon

[Little Goffy 14,462]

If a review is a systematic evaluation of what is working and what is deficient, with input from all sources and 'ranks', then, yeah. Ideally that should be a near-continuous process but it is difficult to maintain under sustained operational pressure.

It is certainly something which should always be given a solid chunk of resources.

Consultation and continuous reform is something that has to be kept ahead of the need. If your efforts to invite and seek out opinions get too far behind the pace of people forming opinions, they're going to feel a need to start expressing them in less constructive ways.

[Diamond_Jim 12,549]

I would be hoping that we are doing rolling reviews of many aspects as a matter of course.

Constant benchmarking against both internal and external KPI's.

They've just announced the new CBA which I hope contains changes to the soft cap. Frankly the soft cap has probably outlived its usefulness. It's holding the game back. If teams like North can't afford the spend that is their problem

[Fritta and Turner 4,345]

Yes.  Internal review. 

Concentrating on improvement of the FD and not on recrimination.

Like if the FD had 'this' or 'this' would it have improved the performance.

[Demon Disciple 12,068]

Absolutely need a review, an honest review. Which probably means it’ll need to be external.

[BaliDemon 401]

Replace Stafford with someone like Blake Caracella and we’re good to go I reckon. 

We need a footy mind that truly understands forward craft.

[DeeZone 9,685]

An external review is dangerous and could split the unity of the club, agree with Jontee an internal continuous improvement review is the preferred option that way you can involve all the stakeholders and lessens the chance of damaging internal relationships.!!

[Billy 2,521]

Or maybe get the players to kick straight and not get hurt 

[Rednblueriseing 824]

I would be surprised if a professional sports organisation doesn't review after every season,

Yes we should be reviewing every aspect of the club, that doesn't mean it has to be public knowledge though.. 

The supporters will see the results of the review out on the field every week.

[At Least I Saw a Flag 5,222]

yes

[YesitwasaWin4theAges 6,685]

42 minutes ago, BaliDemon said:

Replace Stafford with someone like Blake Caracella and we’re good to go I reckon. 

We need a footy mind that truly understands forward craft.

Yze looks to be gone aswell so two new assistances are required.

[layzie 33,752]

i'm sure there will be some kind of internal review.

Just make sure the last two games are reviewed. 

[Ferghus31 97]

Yes it needs to be fully examined thoroughly my concerns are that the assistant coaches need to be refreshed replaced with more recent retired players like Cotchin Selwood Davis that can convince Goodwin his style method and Game plans just dont work and he be more flexible also no Favourites

[Roost it far 8,186]

7 minutes ago, YesitwasaWin4theAges said:

Yze looks to be gone aswell so two new assistances are required.

Have the Tiges announced?

[Guest]

Yes urgently.

My view is that the psychology of the group has been impacted, and that has come from the top down.

There was a stoicism in 2021 that we seem to have lost.

We will not win the 2023 flag, not because we are not the best side, not because we don't have the best plan.  We lost it between the ears.

We have a once in a generation midfield, we should have more than one flag to show for it.

[Jaded No More 68,867]

Newsflash, they do an internal review every single year. 

Or do you think they've packed their bags and gone off to Bali?

So little credit being given to a club that has finished top 4 for three years running, and won a flag just two years ago.

[layzie 33,752]

1 minute ago, Stretch Johnson said:

Yes urgently.

My view is that the psychology of the group has been impacted, and that has come from the top down.

There was a stoicism in 2021 that we seem to have lost.

We will not win the 2023 flag, not because we are not the best side, not because we don't have the best plan.  We lost it between the ears.

We have a once in a generation midfield, we should have more than one flag to show for it.

I agree when it comes to psychology. Winning a flag can do a lot for it and your belief goes into another stratosphere. I look at the Geelong side of the 00s, RIchmond in the 10s as teams that were perenial losers to becoming consistent units after they broke through, for the last two seasons I believe we also had that effect. 

There can be the adverse affect as well though, two failed seasons and no win on the G in finals since 2018. Things like this have the potential to flatten the mindset and spiral, why would you continue to keep working as hard if it could all just fall apart at the end? It's a slippery slope and needs to be handled with care to get the mind in best shape as possible. AFL footballers do plenty of conditioning physically, they also need to do it mentally. 

[BaliDemon 401]

30 minutes ago, YesitwasaWin4theAges said:

Yze looks to be gone aswell so two new assistances are required.

Not sure about that. 50/50 between him and McQualter for Tigers job.  Could go either way. 

[Supreme_Demon 3,753]

7 minutes ago, layzie said:

I agree when it comes to psychology. Winning a flag can do a lot for it and your belief goes into another stratosphere. I look at the Geelong side of the 00s, RIchmond in the 10s as teams that were perenial losers to becoming consistent units after they broke through, for the last two seasons I believe we also had that effect. 

There can be the adverse affect as well though, two failed seasons and no win on the G in finals since 2018. Things like this have the potential to flatten the mindset and spiral, why would you continue to keep working as hard if it could all just fall apart at the end? It's a slippery slope and needs to be handled with care to get the mind in best shape as possible. AFL footballers do plenty of conditioning physically, they also need to do it mentally. 

Agreed!

Sports psychology needs to be a big focus.

I don't know who the Demons sports psychologist currently is?

Nevertheless, the Melbourne Demons definitely needs to consider investing more into this field.

For those who have some spare time later, I highly recommend this video (shown below) featuring well respected Sports Psychologist Bill Beswick. Who was a Sports Psychologist for Manchester United and other teams.

 

[Engorged Onion 10,215]

They have a sports psych Steve Rendell who has been in the industry for years. All good there. 
Things have moved on significantly since Bills time.

[praha 11,236]

why have reviews when you have learnings?

[deespicable me 1,485]

2 hours ago, Jaded No More said:

Newsflash, they do an internal review every single year. 

Or do you think they've packed their bags and gone off to Bali?

So little credit being given to a club that has finished top 4 for three years running, and won a flag just two years ago.

I don't understand your anger to a bunch of posters asking questions around why we have had double double sets losses in the last two set of finals. Also your Newsflash could be a little more caring around people who care just as much as you about the club and obviously while not being in the same stratosphere of intelligence as your good self, maybe try educating us all rather than intimating we are all a bunch of fools.

[Demon Disciple 12,068]

1 hour ago, praha said:

why have reviews when you have learnings?

To review the learnings?

[Jaded No More 68,867]

17 minutes ago, deespicable me said:

I don't understand your anger to a bunch of posters asking questions around why we have had double double sets losses in the last two set of finals. Also your Newsflash could be a little more caring around people who care just as much as you about the club and obviously while not being in the same stratosphere of intelligence as your good self, maybe try educating us all rather than intimating we are all a bunch of fools.

This is the 10th thread on the main board basically questioning the same thing over and over again. 
The assumption that we don’t review things is wrong. Simple as that. We review everything all the time. Every football club does. 
 

[layzie 33,752]

1 hour ago, deespicable me said:

I don't understand your anger to a bunch of posters asking questions around why we have had double double sets losses in the last two set of finals. Also your Newsflash could be a little more caring around people who care just as much as you about the club and obviously while not being in the same stratosphere of intelligence as your good self, maybe try educating us all rather than intimating we are all a bunch of fools.

If Jaded is positive on a thread like this you just need to chalk it up as a W.

That goes for me too by the way.