Melbourne needs to get some elite decision makers, or this team is done.

Viney, Oliver, brayshaw etc they just bomb the ball in 50 over and over 

How often do u ever see guys like Pendlebury, rozee , butters, degoey continually do that 

Only good or define as elite or potentially elite decision makers play back. Bowey, Mcvee, rivers and Salem . Spargo also I guess

McKercher.

Will be a better kick than Clarry, Tracc or Viney

  On 15/09/2023 at 13:12, Bates Mate said:

Only good or define as elite or potentially elite decision makers play back. Bowey, Mcvee, rivers and Salem . Spargo also I guess

Which none play midfield 

Collingwood for example have degoey crisp daicos bros Pendlebury 

it’s not always about your kicking skills, just making time to make right decision

  On 15/09/2023 at 13:19, Stiff Arm said:

McKercher.

Will be a better kick than Clarry, Tracc or Viney

Will he be available at our current (Freo) pick? 

There’s 6-7 elite distributors in the top 30 this year. We need to get 2 at least.  

  On 15/09/2023 at 15:15, The heart beats true said:

Will he be available at our current (Freo) pick? 

Taylor and Lamb have shown that they will trade up if they see someone they like. 

Agreed.

We desperately need elite decision makers and excellent kicks in our midfield.

No more bombing the ball long in blind hope!

This equation also needs options to be presented upon which these elite decision makers can make their elite decisions...

One of the things I kinda admire about Goodwin is he doesn't do exclusively outside mids.

The opposite of that is our ball use at times is ordinary with Oliver, Viney, Tracc, etc having some of the worst disposal efficiency in the AFL.

We obviously need elite users and decision makers that can get their own pill.

How many of them will be in the draft this year? Someone like Gulden, Butters, Horne Francis, etc. would be perfect ?

 

So what do we do with the excess of inside bulls?

Oliver - extractor. No change
Viney - Defensive mid. Similar to Libba, Dunkley. No Change
Trac - Forward Mid. Similar to a dusty. Play him like that and reduce midfield minutes.

All three of these guys are prone to rush their delivery or make the wrong choices by foot and have poor kicking efficiency. Need to bring balance to this area.

Sparrow - Start off the bench. Needs to show more otherwise can end up being overlooked in the next few years.

JJ, Harmes - move them on.

Rivers - needs to play that 3rd midfielder role. Can kick and is a good decision maker and has speed and strength.

Langdon - Reduce minutes and look to offload end of contract. Look to play Brayshaw, Rivers, Woey or Bowey more in that role more in 2024. Hunter the same but less so as he is a good kick but is not a great / quick decision maker. 

New recruit options: Reid, McKercher (other) One of these would be a steal. I think you’d start either of them at half back in 2024. Kynan probably spends 2024 in the 2s. 

How about some elite decision makers in F50? 16.28 in the two finals is not a midfield problem.

A poor night 

but we are good at looking at the draft coming up.    Been doing it too many times.

like putting on an old shirt.  Feels more normal.    Not comfortable perhaps but not as tense 

The big thing we need is to run and use the ball in to space.

Run creates run, space creates space. 

The windows to target forwards get far larger. 

It’s a small margin, really it’s probably 10-20% more running for and giving handballs.

Kicking gets all the attention but it’s run and handballing through the initial wave of pressure or from intercepts that create the chances for kicking the ball to space. 

  On 16/09/2023 at 02:26, Stiff Arm said:

Taylor and Lamb have shown that they will trade up if they see someone they like. 

I expect they will go in hard to trade up. Unlike WCE we do not need numbers we need a couple of elite players for a refresh.

There will be a lot of existing list reflection before the draft.

Watson is regarded by phantom drafters as a possible elite. Will he and Kosi be able to rotate through the midfield to share the load?

Caddy could well be Curnow like so the talk goes. Will Jefferson fill TMcs spot? Will JVR keep improving?

The reasons for our lousy conversion will be examined. Our game plan involves getting the ball in and keeping it there. Injuries to Melksham, Petty and JVR suspension hurt big time. Peter More said that with Petty out we had no big target up forward and JVR is just a 19 year old  - so we were always going to push the 'stinky stuff' up hill in a final.

Do we need an elite mid to allow Track to play mainly forward?

May is heading for 30 plus. Do we need an O'Sullivan/Murphy type to step up in a few seasons?

Do we need to draft one of the top young rucks in the top 25 or so?

One thing they will take into account is that Kalani White is in the 2025 draft and what position will he likely play. This will play a part in our drafting.

Kalani is part of the GC academy which has potentially up to 4 kids with potential to be elite in the 2025 draft. Hope he choses us!!!!! Unless the AFL steps in we could see another 2 or 3 early GC picks compromising the draft.

The Northern states knowing what they are going to get from the Academies have the advantage of drafting around this. For example Sydney knowing it was getting Gulden and Campbell (mid types) via Academy could target talls in the draft. Huge advantage plus a sure pick up at a 20% pick points discount.

 

 

Yes??

  On 17/09/2023 at 00:52, old55 said:

How about some elite decision makers in F50? 16.28 in the two finals is not a midfield problem.

like a mcadam type maybe?

  On 17/09/2023 at 00:52, old55 said:

How about some elite decision makers in F50? 16.28 in the two finals is not a midfield problem.

This. ❤️

  On 18/09/2023 at 09:00, Turner said:

like a mcadam type maybe?

Good start.

  On 17/09/2023 at 00:52, old55 said:

How about some elite decision makers in F50? 16.28 in the two finals is not a midfield problem.

Partially agree but most of these players listed are midfielders. We need better ball users in the whole front half.

  On 18/09/2023 at 10:34, Dee Viney Intervention said:

Partially agree but most of these players listed are midfielders. We need better ball users in the whole front half.

Good ol on the couch always find a way to spin stats to suit the narrative. Not saying these blokes are elite but 3 of the bottom 7 in the comp is rediculous

No surprise to me at all. Whether by instruction or they take it upon themselves to do it, the see ball get ball bomb ball into the forwardline is not an effective kick / stat. Love their ball winning ability which is elite but they are poor by foot. In front of goals this year Gawny has had more misses (Mrs) than Hugh Hefner. The only surprise to me is that Ed Langdon was not up there as well. 

Elite ball users.  Mckercher Sanders Wilson.  There’s 3 in the top 10 available draftees. Hopefully Sanders is available.  

  On 17/09/2023 at 00:52, old55 said:

How about some elite decision makers in F50? 16.28 in the two finals is not a midfield problem.

You obviously don't look when the ball is being delivered Old 55 It is part of the problem as the passing is  bog low Not up to par and is up in the air to the wrong  side of the forwards etc etc.

Then the accuracy issue begins.  Some existing forwards are nervy and inconsistent. Petracca on set shots is not confident with time to kick well consistently.Fortunately Harry Petty looks a lovely kick and JVR is good as he mostly has the distance covered. and Joel Smith pretty good but sample size not large as yet. 

Jack Viney average field kick and also goal, Clarry  needs more goal kicking to become reliable and Sparrow good generall snd from 50m. 

Gawny is terrible snd needs to practice ALL summer long.  His field kicking not the worst. 

Needs to be treated as special for all players over the previous season.