POSTGAME: QF vs Collingwood

[Dr. Gonzo 24,207]

1 hour ago, Binmans PA said:

It's funny. I went into the game confident and felt if we kicked straight we'd win, and we then had the golden ticket to the GF.

My sister was leas confident going in and thought we'd lose.

After the game, I felt season over and she is now saying we'll win the flag haha.

Funny old game.

It makes lunatics of us all 🤣

[RyanD 290]

4 minutes ago, layzie said:

I hear ya. These games don't come round often, we've played in 4 this century and split the difference. Wpuld be extremely nice to win and go straight through. Chance not taken.

This game is brutal. I have spent so much of my life invested in this and I wouldn't have it any other way. But I just want to see my team win finals at the MCG. 2018 is my only memory of this. I fly from interstate and clear everything else to attend this game, as I do every year (and during the season). I then sit there and watch a complete shambles for 3 full quarters, its emotionally taxing. I can't get my head around how we can have so many stars at the peak of their game and we were barely kick a goal for 3 quarters....someone tell me how that even happens? in the biggest game of the year with 90k watching and we dont get any momentum going until the last Q. 

Thanks for vent!

 

[Trisul 664]

Hard work to get the ultimate is a given.  I see the next 3 matches as doable, even with our stifled forward arc.  The challenge is there to be embraced.

[Dr. Gonzo 24,207]

1 hour ago, praha said:

In isolation those are poor misses. The bigger story is we dominate key metrics but get spooked on the big stage. I'm not blaming Goodwin, but we always seem to have the same conversations after these losses. You can't win them all but tonight is up there with our loss last year against them in round 20 I think it was, and the Brisbane SF loss. Just filthy losses that you need to quickly move on from, but also can't because they are such bad games to lose. But we are like the fourth oldest team in the league now and we are badly wasting this opportunity. 

Do we really think Hill, Elliot, McStay and Cox/Cameron, and that spud Micock, are better than Fritsch, JVR, Pickett, ANB... my point being, you don't need a superstar to be winning you games. Collingwood base their game on turnovers and RUN RUN RUN to space. Our gameplan is... hope for a stoppage, hope we win the stoppage, take 2-3 seconds too long so that the opposition ruckman gets back, and then kick a suicide ball to a pack of 12 players. 

We grind teams down, which is great, but we never really looked like winning tonight. Maybe we've peaked but we badly need to open our game up a bit and back in our forwards into space. If we play Carlton next week it is going to be painful to watch. We'll be lucky to score 5 goals.

I think it's personnel. If we had Petty instead of TMac up forward tonight I think we win.

I don't think Goodwin is coaching the players to deliver the ball inside 50 the way they are. Yeah we play a forward half game and want to get repeat entries which crowds out forward line. I think we need coaching in forward craft - but a more mobile forward like Petty creates space and gives us options.

One thing I will say is I never really thought we were out of it. I am still proud of the team even if disappointed in the loss and the execution. It felt a lot like the Carlton game, we just needed one of our 50/50 chances to go through but everything felt against us tonight.

One thing I will say on the coaching is I thought they could've tried putting Pickett into the middle for a couple of CBAs and get Trac up forward for a bit. But we are severely limited in our personnel inside 50 and it has completely hamstrung us.

[Macca 16,961]

11 minutes ago, Gawndy the Great said:

Is it possible that the smother was an unrealistic attempt?

 

It was an unrealistic attempt

When was the last time we saw a player run at a player with arms outstretched and then cannon into a player (accidentally?) and on top of that, shoulder the kickers head to render that player unconscious? And then carried off on a stretcher

That's right, it doesn't happen because that act is deemed as a charge/unduly rough play.  So players don't do it

But Maynard did and he transgressed the rules

He has to be rubbed out for multiple weeks otherwise the whole notion of addressing head trauma is out the window

[Hatchman 539]

If we had of kicked straight we would have won.

That's it.

We beat them in almost every stat. 

[Dr. Gonzo 24,207]

1 hour ago, The heart beats true said:

Spot on. It’s what kills me as a supporter, and a Demonland member. I know I’ll come on here and a few pages into the postgame someone will post the expected scores and I’ll be furious all over again.

We simply have to work far too hard for our goals, and it’s been a problem for us under Goodwin for his entire coaching career. He’s a great coach, but he hasn’t valued forward craft and skill enough and it’s hurting us badly.

He did early on but we were hampered by 6-6-6 and then switched to a defensive focus because we would obliterate the bottom teams but couldn't go with the top teams. You can't argue with the results, maybe we've sacrificed too much offensively but again I think it comes down to personnel. If Petty plays forward, if Weideman comes on, if Hogan fulfilled his potential etc etc When Hogan left we had the choice to trade for May or use the pick on King. Can you imagine our defence without May? We don't win the 21 flag that's for sure.

I'm confident in a Petty/JVR/Fritsch/Pickett combo moving forward but Petty has had trouble staying on the park recently and JVR is still raw. We would love another KPF but who? They don't grow on trees, yeah we could've gone after McStay possibly but there hasn't been much else for the simple fact that teams who have good kpf do everything they can to hang on to them.

[Demonsone 2,037]

Hearing the same old Simon at the presser, understand needs to stay positive for the next game but saying proud of players performance…. Really 69-37 inside 50s & 23 vs 15 shots a common theme. The 1st qtr was terrible 

[Jonathan Steffanoni 101]

Actually, let’s just beat them in the grand final. That’s motivation enough for next week.

[Dr. Gonzo 24,207]

1 hour ago, Demon Disciple said:

The 21 premiership still provides me with heaps of comfort and masks the hurt, otherwise I’d be right there with you. I only ever needed to see one, I’d love to see more, but I only ever needed to see one. The euphoria of that night trumps all the hurt losing could ever give me.

Not me, I'm hungry for more and I need to see it at the G.

[Macca 16,961]

1 hour ago, The Corridor said:

I find it unbelievable that anyone is defending Maynard. I cannot recall ever having seen a player attempt a 'smother' in that manner on a defenceless and open player. He left the ground heading straight into him. The reason I haven't seen it before is because it's so obviously a dangerous act. It didn't even look like an attempt to smother as much as just jumping straight into the kicker. No surprise it happened in Q1 of an elimination final with a known thug being the culprit. If he gets off (which he probably will), should we just employ this tactic next week to take out some folks? Appalling.

 

The Collingwood fans' reaction was just as bad. Cheering on the concussion of a guy who has an extensive history of concussion in an era when we know as much as we do about CTE.

In the Pies/ Hawks match the Hawthorn player took out Daicos from front on and wasn't cited ... don't be surprised if the Pies use that incident as part of their defence (once Maynard is cited)

I saw the Daicos incident as a deliberate act as Daicos was also unprotected attempting a mark.  Noticeable was that the Hawk player had a decent weight advantage on the unprotected Daicos

My gut feeling is that the ribs were the target.  As it was, Daicos sustained a cracked bone in his knee from the incident

So is it carte blanche looking ahead?

Of course not, they are going to have to knock this sort of stuff on the head (no pun intended) 

And were Gus' ribs the intented target by Maynard?  In my view yes but he ran the risk of collecting Gus' head

Which is what happened

Edited September 7, 2023 by Macca

[Chook 15,012]

I couldn't believe how often our mids would have the ball 70 from goal and wait 10-15 seconds for Collingwood to get back and set themselves before bombing it to Moore and Howe in a pack containing McDonald/Fritsch/JVR.

No forward could save us from that. It's the midfield stupid.

[Dr. Gonzo 24,207]

2 minutes ago, Macca said:

In the Pies/ Hawks match the Hawthorn player took out Daicos from front on and wasn't cited ... don't be surprised if the Pies use that incident as part of their defence (once Maynard is cited)

I saw the Daicos incident as a deliberate act as Daicos was also unprotected attempting a mark.  Noticeable was that the Hawk player had a decent weight advantage on the unprotected Daicos

My gut feeling is that the ribs were the target.  As it was, Daicos sustained a cracked bone in his knee from the incident

So is it carte blanche looking ahead?

Of course not, they are going to have to knock this sort of stuff on the head (no pun intended) 

And were Gus' ribs the intented target by Maynard?  In my view yes but he ran the risk of collecting Gus' head

Which is what happened

Daicos didn't get hit in the head/concussed

[Macca 16,961]

Just now, Dr. Gonzo said:

Daicos didn't get hit in the head/concussed

Yes we know that and that wasn't my point anyway, Gonzo

My point was that front on contact with force to an unprotected player should be a suspending offence

Unduly rough play carries with it a suspension if proven.  So if a player shirt fronts a player and breaks ribs or say, knees someone in the back with force whilst that player is lying in the ground (e.g. Matthews/Hunter), they can be suspended

Tripping is an offence that we rarely see.  And tripping can result in a broken leg.  A forceful punch to the gut? Suspendable

So just about any non football act that can cause injury can be a suspendable offence

The Hawthorn player should have been cited but wasn't ... now we have another front on contact incident but this time, the player was knocked unconscious and carried off on a stretcher

Dangerfield & Richardson were banging on that Maynard's was a football act but it wasn't

Those 2 were just following the footballers 'code' ... best to ignore

[Older demon 2,741]

4 hours ago, Jibroni said:

I think its line ball. He was obviously trying to spoil and not sure what else he could've done different on the way down. I hate the guy but I think he will get off.

I have to disagree if his intent was to smother why did he raise his arms. If his intent wass to smother why did he turn side on? If he was protecting himself then he ignored his duty of care to Brayshaw who having just disposed of the ball was wide open. Why didn't he try to fall across the boot? By jumping he had no control of his direction and could only inflict harm. He chose to bump hit someone high did damage and should be suspended.

If it is a football act then I sincerely hope the next time we play Collingwood every attempt should be made to smother Pendlebury, both Daicos' Elliott and see how Collingwood react.

Time for the AFL to grow some and start dealing with football acts if they are serious about making the head sacrosanct. Goody at his presser mentioned Brayshaws anxiety which is a symptom of a sever concussion. 

 

Edited September 7, 2023 by Older demon

[D4Life 2,469]

1st quarter Maynard taking out Brayshaw unsettled the Demons. Pies went the man early, Cox 1st ruck contest into Max!

Rest of game, Demons kick slightly straighter and we win! On a night where we weren’t great!

Made life hard for ourselves, but there is still hope!

Last qtr Maynard hits Kossie in head (theme) late, no 50!

Cox took Petracca legs out, trying to injure him!

[dee-tox 4,835]

2 hours ago, Chook said:

I couldn't believe how often our mids would have the ball 70 from goal and wait 10-15 seconds for Collingwood to get back and set themselves before bombing it to Moore and Howe in a pack containing McDonald/Fritsch/JVR.

No forward could save us from that. It's the midfield stupid.

This is a huge issue. But if we moved it quick we had nothing to kick to. So the forwards pushed up too far too clog the corridor and couldn't get back quickly enough to be an option.

[Demon Dynasty 17,109]

3 hours ago, Macca said:

It was an unrealistic attempt

When was the last time we saw a player run at a player with arms outstretched and then cannon into a player (accidentally?) and on top of that, shoulder the kickers head to render that player unconscious? And then carried off on a stretcher

That's right, it doesn't happen because that act is deemed as a charge/unduly rough play.  So players don't do it

But Maynard did and he transgressed the rules

He has to be rubbed out for multiple weeks otherwise the whole notion of addressing head trauma is out the window

Thanks Macca that sums it up beautifully.

Anyone who thinks that the [censored] Mayfart did this as an incidental act needs a frontal lobotomy.

Needs to be rubbed out for the rest of the season.  Will it happen?  Highly unlikely as there are too many with connections at the highest level that are already mooting to have hime cleared as in "Nothing to see here".

What a bunch of corrupt, hypocritical, gutless [censored]!!!  If it was one of our blokes they'd be talking 3 to 4 weeks at every level of media.

To call it a dog act is inappropriate as most dogs are way ahead of this piece of human sputum.

Seriously the next time we play them i'd be making sure there's a coat hanger coming in his next open marking contest regardless of the consequences.

An eye for an eye

Edited September 7, 2023 by Demon Dynasty

[Demon Dynasty 17,109]

1 hour ago, Older demon said:

I have to disagree if his intent was to smother why did he raise his arms. If his intent wass to smother why did he turn side on? If he was protecting himself then he ignored his duty of care to Brayshaw who having just disposed of the ball was wide open.

 

He had no reason to protect himself Older D.  It's not like Gus posed any threat.

We all know his intent and he got the result he was looking for.

Absolute [censored] of an act and if he gets off or only gets a week then you're effectively saying it's ok to jump up and lay your shoulder front on into anyone's head as they kick the ball.

Anyone proposing that argument and taking Mayfart's side is dumber than Mayfart and that's saying something.

[John Demonic 5,788]

Stats shmats, we were always down by 15-30 points and/or held at arms length. Of course we're going to dominate when another team is defending a lead and "parking the bus" - It's not that hard to give another team their due credit.

Edited September 7, 2023 by John Demonic

[IRW 1,387]

7 hours ago, At the break of Gawn said:

I’ll just leave this here:

Goodwin: “In finals, your vulnerabilities are exposed”

Our vulnerability is our ability to score. It’s been our vulnerability for 2 years, and we thought we could fix it with an old forward who hasn’t played AFL footy in months

What choice did he have?

Better set up around marking contests perhaps might have helped.

That's coaching and discipline from the smalls.

[dazzledavey36 54,861]

3 hours ago, Macca said:

Yes we know that and that wasn't my point anyway, Gonzo

My point was that front on contact with force to an unprotected player should be a suspending offence

Unduly rough play carries with it a suspension if proven.  So if a player shirt fronts a player and breaks ribs or say, knees someone in the back with force whilst that player is lying in the ground (e.g. Matthews/Hunter), they can be suspended

Tripping is an offence that we rarely see.  And tripping can result in a broken leg.  A forceful punch to the gut? Suspendable

So just about any non football act that can cause injury can be a suspendable offence

The Hawthorn player should have been cited but wasn't ... now we have another front on contact incident but this time, the player was knocked unconscious and carried off on a stretcher

Dangerfield & Richardson were banging on that Maynard's was a football act but it wasn't

Those 2 were just following the footballers 'code' ... best to ignore

So then going off this, JVR should have actually have gotten suspended for his hit on Ballard right?

[Clintosaurus 7,843]

7 hours ago, Dr. Gonzo said:

Brisbane will smash them

We will smash them. Actually, both of them.

[IRW 1,387]

1 hour ago, dee-tox said:

This is a huge issue. But if we moved it quick we had nothing to kick to. So the forwards pushed up too far too clog the corridor and couldn't get back quickly enough to be an option.

Yep  both correct but it's true we propped and missed opportunities. 

How many times did they have manage to have one player running down into  the fat side to keep the attack going. 

Playing with " dare" our Daisy calls it.

 

[Bring Back Barassi 552]

Gus going down cost 4 goals. Trac couldn’t be released forward. There it is.