On 16/09/2023 at 01:50, drdrake said:

A forward line JVR, Petty, Smith, McAdam, Fritsch plus smalls Kosi, Chandler, ANB, Spargo reads ok

Only problem is ANB and Spargo and (now) Chandler continue to provide little actual scoring power.  As per the Giants and Lions, all six forwards must be capable goalkickers.  

HF. McAdam Petty ANB (Howes) 

Fwd. Kozzzy JVR Fritsch (Smith) 

 

Petty has just transitioned into a forward, it poses the question whether he wants to play down back or up foward.

This looks like the work of his agent, sniffing for a pay rise.

Is McAdam out of contract? or does he have a year to run?

  On 17/09/2023 at 08:11, spirit of norm smith said:

Only problem is ANB and Spargo and (now) Chandler continue to provide little actual scoring power.  As per the Giants and Lions, all six forwards must be capable goalkickers.  

HF. McAdam Petty ANB (Howes) 

Fwd. Kozzzy JVR Fritsch (Smith) 

 

With a good pre season Howes should be on a wing next year. Langdon has had a terrible year and an awful finals series, Hunter has been ok but no penetration in his kicking, time to give Blake a go if he’s injury free, it’s his best position 

  On 17/09/2023 at 08:40, Lewis said:

With a good pre season Howes should be on a wing next year. Langdon has had a terrible year and an awful finals series, Hunter has been ok but no penetration in his kicking, time to give Blake a go if he’s injury free, it’s his best position 

I think the same for Woewodin, he showed enough this year that he could really press for round 1 selection.

  On 15/09/2023 at 00:06, Ouch! said:

He equalled NicNats vertical jump record when he was at the combine.... so yeah, not a bad leap.

Hopefully this will finally stop Kossie from continuing to try for mOTCentury.

He has not got ONE yet !!

any Dees far  who wishes  he try and continue to attempt these died not understand football.
 

Funny but not one of the Coaches appears to have curtailed his desire.

Slmost the same situation with his tackling. Started the year with 4 goals snd great game starting in the centre. snd suspended.

Now finishes his year with almost similar illegal bump! Missing first round in 2025. No learnings !!!

A mid year loss of form was also disappointing snd bewildering.  
To me we are letting his career slip by a little without really getting a jump in improvement from year to year. A little tough love for Kossie is due IMO. His goal tally per game is still pretty reasonable but a little more in 2024 would add to his talent without crude tackling and morecrumbing and less unrealistic attempts.

Having said these negatives I still love Kossie and just want him to go to another level in his career.

Also kudos to Goody when he placed him at FF on Sat night. He nearly got us home with leading snd team play snd his goals. Let's hope 2024 is his best season yet. 

 

  On 17/09/2023 at 08:26, YesitwasaWin4theAges said:

Petty has just transitioned into a forward, it poses the question whether he wants to play down back or up foward.

This looks like the work of his agent, sniffing for a pay rise.

Is McAdam out of contract? or does he have a year to run?

Out of contract.

The ‘work we have to do’ to get him is deciding if we want to use a 3rd or a future 3rd. That’s it. 

Will be one of the less difficult trades of the trade period. 

  On 17/09/2023 at 10:03, 58er said:

Hopefully this will finally stop Kossie from continuing to try for mOTCentury.

He has not got ONE yet !!

any Dees far  who wishes  he try and continue to attempt these died not understand football.
 

Funny but not one of the Coaches appears to have curtailed his desire.

Slmost the same situation with his tackling. Started the year with 4 goals snd great game starting in the centre. snd suspended.

Now finishes his year with almost similar illegal bump! Missing first round in 2025. No learnings !!!

A mid year loss of form was also disappointing snd bewildering.  
To me we are letting his career slip by a little without really getting a jump in improvement from year to year. A little tough love for Kossie is due IMO. His goal tally per game is still pretty reasonable but a little more in 2024 would add to his talent without crude tackling and morecrumbing and less unrealistic attempts.

Having said these negatives I still love Kossie and just want him to go to another level in his career.

Also kudos to Goody when he placed him at FF on Sat night. He nearly got us home with leading snd team play snd his goals. Let's hope 2024 is his best season yet. 

 

Apologies for some factual errors in this post ie game was on Friday night and Kossie is duetomiss the 2024 opening. Hopefully McAdam will make his in this Round now. 

  On 17/09/2023 at 08:26, YesitwasaWin4theAges said:

Petty has just transitioned into a forward, it poses the question whether he wants to play down back or up foward.

This looks like the work of his agent, sniffing for a pay rise.

Is McAdam out of contract? or does he have a year to run?

Really YIWAWFTA you are wrong on both counts I believe. Petty won't decide where he plays the MFC Selectors and Coaches will and  it was the SA news team or AFC suggesting Petty as a trade for McAdam. Totally in jest as far as we Dees think. It appears it is all they can thinkis that as a SA boy Harry May want to go home!

Harmes  or Tommo or 3rd rounder !! 

  On 17/09/2023 at 10:17, 58er said:

Really YIWAWFTA you are wrong on both counts I believe. Petty won't decide where he plays the MFC Selectors and Coaches will and  it was the SA news team or AFC suggesting Petty as a trade for McAdam. Totally in jest as far as we Dees think. It appears it is all they can thinkis that as a SA boy Harry May want to go home!

Harmes  or Tommo or 3rd rounder !! 

I don't want him to leave @58er he is the player we have been crying out for he is a Premiership defender yes.

The Crows want him as a defender, he may fancy himself as a forward(only something Harrison can answer) which MFC do now.

He's from Wudinna top of Eyre Peninsula SA nowhere near Adelaide.

There will be no pull for him to live in Adelaide with family around apart from his sister who plays for the Adel Thunderbirds.

Born out of necessity the coaches have found out (Finally) he's as natural a forward you'll ever see he has goal sense, takes pack grabs, snaps on both feet, brings others into the game. Something we completely missed in the Finals,(don't get me started).

Crows are dreaming we will let him go from a deal with 2 years to run in a swap @58er you'll be surprised the lengths agents will go to secure increased fresh terms.

If we continue to look after him he will stay long term.

Edited September 17, 20231 yr by YesitwasaWin4theAges

  On 17/09/2023 at 10:07, DeeSpencer said:

Out of contract.

The ‘work we have to do’ to get him is deciding if we want to use a 3rd or a future 3rd. That’s it. 

Will be one of the less difficult trades of the trade period. 

Sounds like the Crows are really peed off we have snatched one of their players and they are shaking our tree to see what falls out from our end.

They want a player not a 3rd rounder, so they decided to ruffle some feathers after we have been knocked out of the finals.

All fugazi.

  On 17/09/2023 at 10:17, 58er said:

Really YIWAWFTA you are wrong on both counts I believe. Petty won't decide where he plays the MFC Selectors and Coaches will and  it was the SA news team or AFC suggesting Petty as a trade for McAdam. Totally in jest as far as we Dees think. It appears it is all they can thinkis that as a SA boy Harry May want to go home!

Harmes  or Tommo or 3rd rounder !! 

Agree with Harmes or Tommo.

If Adelaide were actually serious about Petty they would be offering their pick 9 with McAdam and to suck Goodwins toes on a weekly basis.

Honestly, I'd be happy enough to see him come in as depth, but he's not worth chasing from what I can see.  A late bloomer, mediocre averages in most areas and kicks a little under two goals a game.  At 28 he's not likely to improve much on his existing numbers.  Will he be good enough to win a regular spot in our side?  

  On 21/09/2023 at 15:59, RalphiusMaximus said:

Honestly, I'd be happy enough to see him come in as depth, but he's not worth chasing from what I can see.  A late bloomer, mediocre averages in most areas and kicks a little under two goals a game.  At 28 he's not likely to improve much on his existing numbers.  Will he be good enough to win a regular spot in our side?  

agree with this assessment Ralph average 1.4 goals a game. Also doesnt improve our age profile

Edited September 21, 20231 yr by Kent

  On 17/09/2023 at 10:03, 58er said:

Hopefully this will finally stop Kossie from continuing to try for mOTCentury.

He has not got ONE yet !!

any Dees far  who wishes  he try and continue to attempt these died not understand football.
 

Funny but not one of the Coaches appears to have curtailed 

 

100%! 
 

This drives me crazy. 
 

if I was coaching it would be front and centre or you’re on the pine. 
 

it’s under 12s stuff really. 

  On 21/09/2023 at 15:59, RalphiusMaximus said:

Honestly, I'd be happy enough to see him come in as depth, but he's not worth chasing from what I can see.  A late bloomer, mediocre averages in most areas and kicks a little under two goals a game.  At 28 he's not likely to improve much on his existing numbers.  Will he be good enough to win a regular spot in our side?  

This year Fritsch averaged 2.2, Pickett 1.6 and Melksham 1.5.

In 2022 Fritsch averaged 2.3, Pickett 1.8 and Brown 1.6.

In 2021 Fritsch averaged 2.5, Pickett 1.6, McDonalnd 1.3 (special mention to Brown who averaged 1.9 from only games).

 

The last 3 years McAdam has averaged 1.7, 1.5, 1.7. From his limited games.

I don't think his goals per game average is a problem, it's a strength.

At the end of the day he is replacing Melksham in the forward line for a few years as a defensive forward who can kick goals the other way (he played on Lever when we played them trying to disrupt his intercepting).

 

We aren't paying a lot for him. But he has a spot as a role player over the next few years if he can keep form.

Edited September 21, 20231 yr by deanox

  On 21/09/2023 at 15:59, RalphiusMaximus said:

Honestly, I'd be happy enough to see him come in as depth, but he's not worth chasing from what I can see.  A late bloomer, mediocre averages in most areas and kicks a little under two goals a game.  At 28 he's not likely to improve much on his existing numbers.  Will he be good enough to win a regular spot in our side?  

Which is what Kozzie managed this year.

Id happily take 35-40 goals from McAdam if he plays a full season.

  On 21/09/2023 at 20:49, Kent said:

agree with this assessment Ralph average 1.4 goals a game. Also doesnt improve our age profile

He's a year older than Petracca. What does our age profile have to do with anything when we are in a premiership window that is likely going to be 2-3 years top. 28 years of age, his statistics are very similar to Kozzie, and importantly his tackling is exceptional as is his goals average per game.
He's an ideal replacement for Melksham, and as harsh as it sounds I can't see Melky getting another contract. I'd love to see the club keep him around, but don't see that being as a player.  

  On 21/09/2023 at 22:54, Ouch! said:

He's a year older than Petracca. What does our age profile have to do with anything when we are in a premiership window that is likely going to be 2-3 years top. 28 years of age, his statistics are very similar to Kozzie, and importantly his tackling is exceptional as is his goals average per game.
He's an ideal replacement for Melksham, and as harsh as it sounds I can't see Melky getting another contract. I'd love to see the club keep him around, but don't see that being as a player.  

we have a huge hole developing in our age profile 23 to 27 

The premier ship window is lower now than last year cant see us top 4 next year and thats when your age profile matters

  On 21/09/2023 at 23:04, Kent said:

we have a huge hole developing in our age profile 23 to 27 

The premier ship window is lower now than last year cant see us top 4 next year and thats when your age profile matters

McAdam is a single player! If we get him and Melk is delisted, we lower our age profile just by this single action! Our list has some very specific needs, really don't give a toss about whether we identify the fix as a 28 year old or a 20 year old.
The window thing is rubbish sorry
Brisbane - 25.1 years (3rd oldest list)
Collingwood - 25 years (6th oldest list)
Carlton - 24.6 years (8th oldest list)
GWS - 24.1 years (12 oldest list)

Melbourne is 24.7, that suggests we have a pretty good profile. We might have a gap in the 23-27 year bracket, but we have a very good contingent under 23 who have gotten a good number of games in 23
 

  On 21/09/2023 at 23:23, Ouch! said:

McAdam is a single player! If we get him and Melk is delisted, we lower our age profile just by this single action! Our list has some very specific needs, really don't give a toss about whether we identify the fix as a 28 year old or a 20 year old.
The window thing is rubbish sorry
Brisbane - 25.1 years (3rd oldest list)
Collingwood - 25 years (6th oldest list)
Carlton - 24.6 years (8th oldest list)
GWS - 24.1 years (12 oldest list)

Melbourne is 24.7, that suggests we have a pretty good profile. We might have a gap in the 23-27 year bracket, but we have a very good contingent under 23 who have gotten a good number of games in 23
 

And the gap in the 23-27 age profile can be filled via FA in the next 2-3 years.

We're in a very good position. It's why the idea that we're nearing the end of our window is ridiculous.

  On 21/09/2023 at 23:04, Kent said:

we have a huge hole developing in our age profile 23 to 27 

The premier ship window is lower now than last year cant see us top 4 next year and thats when your age profile matters

do we?

players currently in that bracket

• harmes
• petracca
• anb
• brayshaw
• langdon
• joel smith
• fritsch
• oliver
• schache
• petty
• spargo
• chandler
• sparrow

not a bad spread of premiership players in that lot

  On 21/09/2023 at 21:21, MoeSyzlak said:

100%! 
 

This drives me crazy. 
 

if I was coaching it would be front and centre or you’re on the pine. 
 

it’s under 12s stuff really. 

Agreed perhaps a little tough love with Kossie is needed. In x as another post I cited this unrealistic attempt, tackling as in bumping, and general lack of some team ethics just on odd occasions is preventing Kossie becoming an absolute A grader for us. 

Hopefully some tweaking and s lityle tough talk will help as we all love him.

Will  have all season to cool his heels till Round2 to reflect upon and it might be good go for thought in the off season. 

At the same time he did a lot right at FF getting us back on top and as the solo leading player created opportunities for us. Pity he burnt Trac when his shot hit the post in the last quarter. 

He's still young  and and even better  times ahead if he changes a few small things. 

I would take a 2 goal a game forward in a heartbeat. 

  On 22/09/2023 at 02:05, layzie said:

I would take a 2 goal a game forward in a heartbeat. 

1.6 or 1.7 goals that he is rated at would have seen us into a prelim ;)