POSTGAME: Rd 13 vs Collingwood

[Beetle 4,654]

@A F you are spot on with your crowd analysis.

I have never attended a game with a quieter 80k plus attendance. Mates who watched the game at home say the crowd sounded insane on TV akin to a final so I suspect some channel 7 audio foul play.

We were clearly outnumbered (as expected) but our supporters were as good as I’ve heard all year. I’m pretty vocal and emotionally invested so it’s often hard for me to personally get a gauge.

I think the Big Freeze beanies also give a bit of a false indication if the crowd ratio given the sea of blue throughout the ground. 
BUT I will say that is the best behaved Collingwood crowd I’ve experienced in years. I got the feeling they were pretty content with how they were travelling going into the game so weren’t overly phased by the outcome one way or another. Last year on the other hand was absolutely feral. 

Edited June 16, 2023 by Beetle

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8 hours ago, Beetle said:

@A F you are spot on with your crowd analysis.

I have never attended a game with a quieter 80k plus attendance. Mates who watched the game at home say the crowd sounded insane on TV akin to a final so I suspect some channel 7 audio foul play.

We were clearly outnumbered (as expected) but our supporters were as good as I’ve heard all year. I’m pretty vocal and emotionally invested so it’s often hard for me to personally get a gauge.

I think the Big Freeze beanies also give a bit of a false indication if the crowd ratio given the sea of blue throughout the ground. 
BUT I will say that is the best behaved Collingwood crowd I’ve experienced in years. I got the feeling they were pretty content with how they were travelling going into the game so weren’t overly phased by the outcome one way or another. Last year on the other hand was absolutely feral. 

Agree on all of that. 

At one point in the second the crowd was so cagey; Melb fans because we were dominating and doing nothing, and Pies fans probably because they were being dominated. It was like a theatre crowd. Hearing coughing and the players yelling.

BUT the crowd got involved at moments and was really loud and energised - Grundy, Hunter hit, our 3rd term and the the last 10 mins both sides.

Was good fun to watch that footy game. Tough contest and reminded me of the finals in 2018. Love this team! Glad to have seen them live the last three weeks.

[Dr. Gonzo 24,214]

I think I mentioned earlier that Kozzie may have been playing a defensive forward role on Noble but watching the replay it seems it was actually on Murphy. Chandler/Spargo seemed to be matched up with Noble.

[Dr. Gonzo 24,214]

The crowd was very loud at times but at other times was eerily quiet for such a large crowd and that was down to our methodical play which took the wind out of the Pies supporters - they didn't have much to cheer about between the first ten minutes and the last 3 minutes.

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16 hours ago, Young Blood said:

Probably already planning his four days off of golf.

Post game Fox interview when asked what he was doing with his time off was literally responded with "golf, golf and more golf".

May have also been where his head was at when he dropped those two marks that were all but his to ice the game but fumbled them in the dying moments.

I am joking of course but if we somehow lost that one these would be big talking points. Funny how it all works.

YB after watching the replay 3 times those dropped marks by Steven and the ones dropped by Rick and Max grate quite a bit. Lol.!!!

[DeeZee 7,392]

I just spoke to a Pies supporter friend of mine who is good mates with Joel Smith.

Kudos to some of our analysts here on Demonland , Binman and others who were spot on.

When asked how did you do it and what was your game plan against Collingwood, Joel said that we had to give something away to gain something, and it was letting them have the wings to move the ball, but. Completely blocking the corridor and and have more numbers down back, which meant they couldn’t attack with that run they are used to through the middle .

[YesitwasaWin4theAges 6,702]

On 6/15/2023 at 10:01 AM, jnrmac said:

And McCreery kicking the ball over the line. Even BT called it out

And Moore's mark on the line that was not reviewed.

And Max's mark on the goal line that was paid a point.

McCreery kicked the ball before the ball went over the line. ✅️ Correct Call made.

Max's marked over the line ✅️ Correct Call made.

Moore's mark didn't get reviewed. 🤷 💤 So i assume they were confident it was a mark in play.

 

 

[Deemania since 56 6,635]

On 6/13/2023 at 7:44 PM, DeeMee said:

In the zone there is Trac!!

I think he is actually just a nice guy though. Often see he and Clarrie put a hand out to help an oppo player up but don’t see many others doing the same.

Yes, they are both nice guys in that regard. They never put a player down in malice yet when the game calls for 'mongrel' both adhere to the respectabilities of the game whilst getting the job done - just because they sometimes hurt the player, we have to acknowledge that '... that's  footy, folks!' in its most subtle form. 

[Deemania since 56 6,635]

3 hours ago, Dr. Gonzo said:

I think I mentioned earlier that Kozzie may have been playing a defensive forward role on Noble but watching the replay it seems it was actually on Murphy. Chandler/Spargo seemed to be matched up with Noble.

Yep, but I think it is almost time for Spargo to be rested and Kozzie to be retained (except in a defensive forward flash) in the forward pockets or thereabouts. He has incredible pick-up skills with the ball and we all know he can run 'em down and kick reliable snaps. 

[NeveroddoreveN 1,034]

On 6/16/2023 at 9:36 AM, binman said:

Goody has banged on about our lack of connection EVERY post game talk?

What alternate reality is this?

One, the only thing he was asked about in relation to our forward line up until after the hawks win is what our best line up looks like. Connection NEVER came up!

Why?

Because we were a scoring  machine, having scored more than 100 points in five of the nine games we had played after demolishing the hawks (when we again broke the ton - with only 2 less scoring shots than against the pies i might add) - including scores of 115, 135, 126, 139!

Oh, he was also often asked about, and spoke to, our stunning accuracy (still #AFL 1).

Actually now that I think about it, he also spoke about our nuts spread of goal kickers (AFL#1), including our record breaking spread in the hawks game.

In his pressers since the port game, in response to ignorant questions about our forward line and supposed connection issues, Goody has pointed out MULTIPLE times that we are the highest scoring team as evidence of good connection and a forward line that is functioning well.

And again after the pies win, when asked about accuracy, he couldn't have been more emphatic - it was 'the least of our problems', noting that accuracy had only been a problem in the previous 3 games.

By the by, it is worth noting that in those 3 games (port, freo, blues) we still had more than 20 scoring shots, which again makes a lie of any supposed connection issues.

In fact the only time I can recall Goody talking about forward connection in anythimg but a postive way was in the presser following the pies game.

Having already said scoring is not an issue for us (we had just had 26 scoring shots for petes sake), he was again asked a stupid question about connection and he said something about the new mix of players and young players taking time to build synergy. 

King is not making it up or pulling it from a rabbits hat?  Of course he is. That's my point. 

When I talk about why it is an issue when the media pushes some stupid false narrative that the objective facts completely contradict, it is because it distorts fans understanding of the game.

And the problem is compounded because fans accept and then reinforce the false narrative. And in this example (the connection myth), ignore the objective facts.

It is mind boggling.

We must indeed be listening to different pressers....Nearly every post game Goodwin has mentioned connection.  You might be hearing the word and blanking it out.  To insinuate that i am ignoring objective facts is twaddle.   Maybe you should go listen to some of Goodwins talks.   i could almost guarantee you connection has been mentioned by him 100+ times already this season.  We are constantly searching for this mysterious thing called "connection".

It is pretty clear you don't like King.  You go above and aboard to try and refute whatever he has to say. 

It is interesting you talk of false narrative vs objective facts.  Who decides this?  You?

 

[Deestar9 1,615]

On 6/16/2023 at 11:58 PM, Beetle said:

@A F you are spot on with your crowd analysis.

I have never attended a game with a quieter 80k plus attendance. Mates who watched the game at home say the crowd sounded insane on TV akin to a final so I suspect some channel 7 audio foul play.

We were clearly outnumbered (as expected) but our supporters were as good as I’ve heard all year. I’m pretty vocal and emotionally invested so it’s often hard for me to personally get a gauge.

I think the Big Freeze beanies also give a bit of a false indication if the crowd ratio given the sea of blue throughout the ground. 
BUT I will say that is the best behaved Collingwood crowd I’ve experienced in years. I got the feeling they were pretty content with how they were travelling going into the game so weren’t overly phased by the outcome one way or another. Last year on the other hand was absolutely feral. 

I find that interesting re the noise. I was Level 3 & the crowd absolutely drowned out the “booing” of Grundy & I thought were very vocal. However overall I don’t think we are particularly “loud” supporters. Quite possibly because we watch the game unlike Collingwood who just turn up with the objective of making as much noise as possible. There was also the odd seat free on that level which I’ve never seen at most games let alone a big game so agree with crowd size .

[jnrmac 20,060]

23 hours ago, YesitwasaWin4theAges said:

McCreery kicked the ball before the ball went over the line. ✅️ Correct Call made.

Max's marked over the line ✅️ Correct Call made.

Moore's mark didn't get reviewed. 🤷 💤 So i assume they were confident it was a mark in play.

 

 

The rule used to be that your foot couldn't be in contact wit the bal as it went over the line. If you go back through old footage you will see players poking the ball with their foot and quickly withdrawing it so as not to have the ball connected to their foot as it crossed the line.

I'd like to know when this interpretation changed?

[jnrmac 20,060]

23 hours ago, YesitwasaWin4theAges said:

McCreery kicked the ball before the ball went over the line. ✅️ Correct Call made.

Max's marked over the line ✅️ Correct Call made.

Moore's mark didn't get reviewed. 🤷 💤 So i assume they were confident it was a mark in play.

 

 

Max took the mark before it had completely crossed the goal line as per Rules of the Game. In fact BT even mentioned that it was sus so you know there was something there.

[sue 9,102]

3 minutes ago, jnrmac said:

The rule used to be that your foot couldn't be in contact wit the bal as it went over the line. If you go back through old footage you will see players poking the ball with their foot and quickly withdrawing it so as not to have the ball connected to their foot as it crossed the line.

I'd like to know when this interpretation changed?

What time of the day is it?

[jnrmac 20,060]

2 minutes ago, sue said:

What time of the day is it?

exactly

[John Crow Batty 8,863]

29 minutes ago, jnrmac said:

The rule used to be that your foot couldn't be in contact wit the bal as it went over the line. If you go back through old footage you will see players poking the ball with their foot and quickly withdrawing it so as not to have the ball connected to their foot as it crossed the line.

I'd like to know when this interpretation changed?

You are right. The ball had to be over the line and the boot still in front of the line to be a goal. I remember doing this myself on a couple occasions. It was a clear rule that every player knew. Kind of has been forgotten now at least at AFL level. Perhaps to do with e frenetic pace and pressure of the modern game. Almost impossible to pull off a delicate tap and keep the foot in front of the line under pressure. The player will be severely crunched. 

Edited June 18, 2023 by John Crow Batty

[Willmoy1947 4,085]

On 6/16/2023 at 12:42 PM, Go the Biff said:

King was critical of Murphy, not Fritsch and said the free kick was there.  Dunstall concurred.

The diving comments initially came from Taylor on the Channel 7 telecast, supported by Watson. BT is so far past it that it's got beyond a joke. The day he's pensioned off will be a blessing for the entire footy community 

You only have to look how comfortable the players and Officials are when he enters the rooms, blissful ignominy.

[Sydney_Demon 1,175]

3 hours ago, Deestar9 said:

I find that interesting re the noise. I was Level 3 & the crowd absolutely drowned out the “booing” of Grundy & I thought were very vocal. However overall I don’t think we are particularly “loud” supporters. Quite possibly because we watch the game unlike Collingwood who just turn up with the objective of making as much noise as possible. There was also the odd seat free on that level which I’ve never seen at most games let alone a big game so agree with crowd size .

Obviously the Club wants more noise from our supporters. I assume everyone's seen the following:
 

 

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We all went up a few decibels on Monday against the Pies to support our team and Brodie Grundy, the cheek of those fools booing their former two time All Australian was more than we could bare, particularly when they forced him out I loved those moments and you are correct D9 we are following the game rather than booing every oppo possession. We were right on on Monday.!!!

[adonski 12,109]

On 6/12/2023 at 5:54 PM, adonski said:

Can't keep carrying ANB in these sorts of games