CASEY: Rd 10 vs Werribee

[Demon Dynasty 17,109]

2 hours ago, Sydee said:

Haven’t watched this game yet but I’m starting to get a little nervous about Jefferson -

He's fine imho and on track.  Just lacks the physicality.

Another pre-season so he can hold his feet / positioning in a contest.

Showing signs but does get brushed aside a bit too easy ....for now, and loses his feet a bit too often.

Similarities to the Duke if he does add the physicality and works his butt off in the off season!

Could be the tall mobile forward many on here are screaming for!

[Sydee 4,444]

6 minutes ago, Demon Dynasty said:

He's fine imho and on track.  Just lacks the physicality.

Another pre-season so he can hold his feet / positioning in a contest.

Showing signs but does get brushed aside a bit too easy ....for now, and loses his feet a bit too often.

Similarities to the Duke if he does add the physicality and works his butt off in the off season!

Could be the tall mobile forward many on here are screaming for!

Look you are probably right, and this is the only Casey game this year I haven't watched (yet)

It would be nice to see him use his mobility more to advantage and lead out to space more and command the footy - he does have good hands - I guess with relatively poor delivery and zone defense by most teams the ability to do this now is very difficult.

One thing I do know is that atm trying to tack pack or contested marks is not his go he needs to find more ways to get involved in the play and have some impact

[Demon Dynasty 17,109]

Just on Schache...

Appeared to go from boiled lollies in the 1st half to chocolates in the second.  Alot more involved.  Some clever work in the middle also.  Presented nicely on a few occasions.  Not sure what triggered this.  Maybe some extra time in the middle/higher up the ground?

If anything Casey are probably one tall too many with Joel, Shack & BBB running around.  Hence you don't see any one of them in particular dominate the scoreboard all that often.

[Demon Dynasty 17,109]

6 minutes ago, Sydee said:

One thing I do know is that atm trying to tack pack or contested marks is not his go he needs to find more ways to get involved in the play and have some impact

That about sums things up as to where he's at right now Sydee.  Physicality needs another pre-season or two (minimum) to start clunking the odd pack mark.

More comfortable out wide and higher up offering options through the middle / around the arc etc.

That also could be what's being asked by the Coach for him right now?

Showing promise and a few nice involvements but very early days.  No doubt the old saying with taller blokes also applies here.

[Sydee 4,444]

8 minutes ago, Demon Dynasty said:

Just on Schache...

Appeared to go from boiled lollies in the 1st half to chocolates in the second.  Alot more involved.  Some clever work in the middle also.  Presented nicely on a few occasions.  Not sure what triggered this.  Maybe some extra time in the middle/higher up the ground?

If anything Casey are probably one tall too many with Joel, Shack & BBB running around.  Hence you don't see any one of them in particular dominate the scoreboard all that often.

Interesting, do you think there is a case to bring him in next week as an extra tall defender - I'm by no means sold on him in any position at AFL level but I think if we try and cover McKay and Curnow with May and Lever we are asking for another loss - Lever is not a KPD - he is great as third man in and intercept marker but not great one on one with anyone that is bigger than he is IMO

 

[Demon Dynasty 17,109]

1 hour ago, Sydee said:

Interesting, do you think there is a case to bring him in next week as an extra tall defender - I'm by no means sold on him in any position at AFL level but I think if we try and cover McKay and Curnow with May and Lever we are asking for another loss - Lever is not a KPD - he is great as third man in and intercept marker but not great one on one with anyone that is bigger than he is IMO

100% needs fixing this week.  If Goody doesn't act here with Disco or Tomo (& eventually Petty on his return vs taller oppo forward set ups) we will absolutely struggle on Friday and beyond imho and may end up losing 5 on the trot.

Not only are we losing Lever's best in terms of intercept king down back, he just isn't that good 1 v 1 as you say.  It's a double edged rolled gold win to the oppo.

I haven't taken enough notice of Shack in defence to answer either way on the first part Sydee.  No idea.  Maybe someone else who's seen a fair bit of him at the Dogs in this role?  Possibly yes.

Edited May 28, 2023 by Demon Dynasty

[Bystander 903]

1 hour ago, Demon Dynasty said:

Casey are really missing Moose and remember that many players who played last season (and even this one) have either moved on, injured or now playing AFL....

Chandler, Baker, JVR, Dunstan, Weid, Mitch Brown & Bedford.

Reckon we did ok without Dunstan & Moose.

And while this most likely wasn't the difference, the umps did pay some insanely rediculous 'hand-of-god' frees on at least 3 to 4 occasions which helped keep Werribee within touch and pushed them ahead at times.

If you need any convincing of this check out the holding the ball against Woe straight in front of their goals early in the 4th.  Was literally tackled as soon as he took possession and taken to ground /sat on.  Ventured to try and handball it but no way he had any prior.

The other must see miracle free was at the 17 minute mark of the last against Roan Steele.  He tracked the ball from a Werribee kick off HB through the middle, picked up, turned on a tight arc quickly to boot the ball back into our 50 or find a target.  Slipped over, got straight back up (no oppo touched him and if they did it was a finger tip trip anyway) and the ump paid HTB!!!!

I hate being critical of umpires as it is such a hard  game to umpire...but there were some remarkable free kicks Werribee's way in the last quarter...including the Steele one you mention. Your description is accurate. There were others.

Jefferson is a worry...never seen a less imposing player.

Woewodin has some class...but not quite ready yet, in my amateur opinion.

Moniz-wakefield has ability but will need to do a lot more to warrant promotion.

Sestan has some good attributes, but I think you can pick the absence of the usual pathway in his game...another year of professional coaching may fix.

Ben Brown gave at least one goal away.

[Cranky Franky 2,061]

4 hours ago, Bystander said:

I hate being critical of umpires as it is such a hard  game to umpire...but there were some remarkable free kicks Werribee's way in the last quarter...including the Steele one you mention. Your description is accurate. There were others.

Jefferson is a worry...never seen a less imposing player.

 

I've seen 4 of Jefferson's games & for a high draft pick he's shown very little. Reminds me of Lucas Cook or a young Michael Newton both in build and ability.

[Roost it far 8,277]

My view after watching the last 2 games

Jefferson a bust….I’ll sell my house if he makes it

Woewodin almost good enough

Schache uninspiring but maybe needed

Brown cooked like the last snag on the bbq at 10pm on GF night

Sestan miles away

MW never make it

Turner play him in the ones FFS

Melksham yesterdays news

oh and to top the weekend off I think Gawn might be cooked. I love big Maxy but we saw what we saw the last fortnight. 

 

[DeeZone 9,847]

36 minutes ago, Roost it far said:

My view after watching the last 2 games

Jefferson a bust….I’ll sell my house if he makes it

Woewodin almost good enough

Schache uninspiring but maybe needed

Brown cooked like the last snag on the bbq at 10pm on GF night

Sestan miles away

MW never make it

Turner play him in the ones FFS

Melksham yesterdays news

oh and to top the weekend off I think Gawn might be cooked. I love big Maxy but we saw what we saw the last fortnight. 

 

Maxy is coming off a ML injury and not back to his best yet still racked up 35 HO’s. We need to utilise Tomlinson or Diso until Petty comes back in and use either BBB or Schache for TMac. 

[Roost it far 8,277]

7 minutes ago, DeeZone said:

Maxy is coming off a ML injury and not back to his best yet still racked up 35 HO’s. We need to utilise Tomlinson or Diso until Petty comes back in and use either BBB or Schache for TMac. 

We see if differently. Tomlinson needs a miracle, Brown a resurrection and TMac a rebirth

[chook fowler 19,459]

6 minutes ago, Roost it far said:

We see if differently. Tomlinson needs a miracle, Brown a resurrection and TMac a rebirth

and I need a lobotomy 

[Bitter but optimistic 22,241]

2 minutes ago, chook fowler said:

and I need a lobotomy 

I thought you'd had one years ago chook!

[chook fowler 19,459]

24 minutes ago, Bitter but optimistic said:

I thought you'd had one years ago chook!

This season has caused a relapse. May be I will opt for deep sleep therapy and have a little holiday in Chelmsford.

[Bitter but optimistic 22,241]

11 minutes ago, chook fowler said:

This season has caused a relapse. May be I will opt for deep sleep therapy and have a little holiday in Chelmsford.

Probably for the best !

[Bitter but optimistic 22,241]

wrong thread

Edited May 28, 2023 by Bitter but optimistic

[Brownie 5,981]

10 hours ago, BW511 said:

Sounds like the VFL team are employing the same tactic of dumping the ball on the head of our forwards. No 19 year old KPF is going to get anywhere with that setup

You can see the shizen delivery at both levels.

Feeling very sorry for JVR and Fritsch 

[bush demon 2,041]

9 hours ago, Demon Dynasty said:

Casey are really missing Moose and remember that many players who played last season (and even this one) have either moved on, injured or now playing AFL....

Chandler, Baker, JVR, Dunstan, Weid, Mitch Brown & Bedford.

Reckon we did ok without Dunstan & Moose.

And while this most likely wasn't the difference, the umps did pay some insanely rediculous 'hand-of-god' frees on at least 3 to 4 occasions which helped keep Werribee within touch and pushed them ahead at times.

If you need any convincing of this check out the holding the ball against Woe straight in front of their goals early in the 4th.  Was literally tackled as soon as he took possession and taken to ground /sat on.  Ventured to try and handball it but no way he had any prior.

The other must see miracle free was at the 17 minute mark of the last against Roan Steele.  He tracked the ball from a Werribee kick off HB through the middle, picked up, turned on a tight arc quickly to boot the ball back into our 50 or find a target.  Slipped over, got straight back up (no oppo touched him and if they did it was a finger tip trip anyway) and the ump paid HTB!!!!

Hand of God is right. It's a Malcolm Blight on our game, and if you scan across KAYO over the weekend there are plenty of nonsensical calls and gift goals awarded by Hollywood umpiring.  And what happened to push-in-the-back?  It's a lucky dip which way the umpires call it. Won WCE a premiership couple of years ago and gave us a fright (Johanssen) in '21.

[dee-tox 4,835]

Couple of young guys being written off in this thread. Perhaps the same sort of posters that suggested in the off season that McVee be delisted?

[dworship 3,342]

3 hours ago, Roost it far said:

My view after watching the last 2 games

Jefferson a bust….I’ll sell my house if he makes it

Woewodin almost good enough

Schache uninspiring but maybe needed

Brown cooked like the last snag on the bbq at 10pm on GF night

Sestan miles away

MW never make it

Turner play him in the ones FFS

Melksham yesterdays news

oh and to top the weekend off I think Gawn might be cooked. I love big Maxy but we saw what we saw the last fortnight. 

 

Whereabouts?  I might be interested. I'd expect it would be pretty cheap just like your shots at a 19yr old.

[monoccular 17,431]

2 hours ago, chook fowler said:

This season has caused a relapse. May be I will opt for deep sleep therapy and have a little holiday in Chelmsford.

Many of the holidays at Chelmsford were unfortunately very long term.  You may miss our next flag in 55 years.  

[Roost it far 8,277]

25 minutes ago, dworship said:

Whereabouts?  I might be interested. I'd expect it would be pretty cheap just like your shots at a 19yr old.

It’s not a shot at him. Sure I said it bluntly but that’s how I’m feeling today. I watch him play and I don’t see it. He just doesn’t have that presence of a key foward. Oh and I’m in Healesville but my place is worth a bit!

[dworship 3,342]

1 minute ago, Roost it far said:

It’s not a shot at him. Sure I said it bluntly but that’s how I’m feeling today. I watch him play and I don’t see it. He just doesn’t have that presence of a key foward. Oh and I’m in Healesville but my place is worth a bit!

Well yes, it is a shot at him. I am pretty sure you can get a treatment for being premature and I hope you get yours.

[Roost it far 8,277]

4 minutes ago, dworship said:

Well yes, it is a shot at him. I am pretty sure you can get a treatment for being premature and I hope you get yours.

Relax, I’d love the kid to make it. I just look at him play and see nothing special. 

[Demonland 72,212]

CRUSHED by KC from Casey 

The Casey Demons were dealt a crushing blow to their hopes of repeating last year’s premiership glory when they capitulated to the Werribee Tigers in the final term of what was for the first three quarters a riveting game of football.

The Demons struck early with the opening two goals of the match but the Tigers fought back to level the scores by mid-term. From there on until the middle of the last quarter, there was never more than two goals separating the teams although the home side looked to be in charge after a Casey burst in the middle of the third term.

The Demons had no less than 14 AFL listed players on board together with a few of their VFL listed players who are midseason draft hopefuls and were expected to win a closely contested game.

By comparison, the Tigers lineup was comprised of more of hard bodied players capable of playing tough, relentless football and in this instance, they prevailed with their hard tackling and strong marking that lifted the pressure gauge when the game was there to be won. 

Casey’s captain Mitch White was one Demon who was not overawed by the occasion. He finished with 24 disposals and a goal. Similarly, Adam Tomlinson worked his butt off in defence amassing 29 touches and 8 marks. Preseason draft nominees Roan Steele (22 disposals) and George Grey (16) were also prominent for Casey. Jack Bell had a good game in the ruck.

Josh Schache and Ben Brown were busy up forward but when the chips were down in that final term they were unable to turn the Werribee tide that saw most of the scoring go the way of the victorious home team which snared the Demons’ place in the top four and have a game in hand in the battle for that all-important placing.

Some of the team’s younger members are struggling to fire up, particularly in the midfield mix and the club will continue to be patient in monitoring their development. 

The Demons have another tough assignment next week as they travel to the Gold Coast to play last year’s vanquished grand finalists, Southport.

CASEY DEMONS 3.2.20 7.3.45 12.4.76 12.6.78

WERRIBEE 2.2.14 8.3.51 13.4.82 16.10.106

GOALS

CASEY DEMONS Melksham Schache Smith 2 Brown Grey Jefferson McRae Moniz-Wakefield White 

WERRIBEE Garoni 3 Hayes Lever Paea 2 Boyd Brew Declase Grey Gribble Keast Malual 

BEST

CASEY DEMONS Tomlinson Schache Brown White Steele Bell

WERRIBEE Gribble Brew J Henderson Mannagh Declase Clohesy

Statistics 

Jed Adams 7 kicks 1 handballs 8 disposals 3 marks 2 tackles 40 dream team points
Riley Baldi 6 kicks 11 handballs 17 disposals 2 marks 4 tackles 53 dream team points
Jack Bell 5 kicks 4 handballs 9 disposals 4 marks 3 tackles 27 hit outs 63 dream team points
Ben Brown 1 goal 16 kicks 3 handballs 19 disposals 7 marks 1 tackle 5 hit outs 93 dream team points
Matt Buntine 7 kicks 3 handballs 10 disposals 4 marks 5 rebounds tackles 60 dream team points 
Max Gregory 2 kicks 2 disposals 2 marks 2 tackles 17 dream team points
George Grey 1 goal 1 behind 10 kicks 6 handballs 16 disposals 1 mark 2 tackles 59 dream team points
Blake Howes 9 kicks 8 handballs 17 disposals 4 marks 3 tackles 59 dream team points
Matt Jefferson 1 goal 2 kicks 2 handballs 4 disposals 16 dream team points
Bailey Laurie 6 kicks 7 handballs 15 disposals 2 marks 4 tackles 51 dream team points
Tom McRae 1 goal 4 kicks 4 handballs 8 disposals 1 mark 9 tackles 1 hit out 60 dream team points
Jake Melksham 2 goals 8 kicks 4 handballs 12 disposals 4 marks 46 dream team points
Andy Moniz-Wakefield 1 goal 1 behind 3 kicks 7 handballs 10 disposals 1 mark 2 tackles 38 dream team points 
Charlie Peters 1 kick 1 disposal 2 tackles 11 dream team points [injured]
Josh Schache 2 goals 1 behind 12 kicks 6 handballs 17 disposals 4 marks 3 tackles 8 hit outs 91 dream team points 
Oliver Sestan 4 kicks 5 handballs 9 disposals 1 mark 2 tackles 31 dream team points
Deaykin Smith 3 kicks 2 handballs 5 disposals 2 marks 3 tackles 22 dream team points
Joel Smith 2 goals 4 kicks 2 handballs 6 disposals 4 marks 3 tackles 47 dream team points
Roan Steele 12 kicks 10 handballs 22 disposals 4 marks 1 tackle 70 dream team points
Adam Tomlinson 25 kicks 4 handballs 29 disposals 8 marks 104 dream team points
Daniel Turner 10 kicks 3 handballs 13 disposals 5 marks 1 tackle 55 dream team points
Mitch White 1 goal 20 kicks 4 handballs 24 disposals 3 marks 4 tackles 100 dream team points
Taj Woewodin 11 kicks 7 handballs 18 disposals 3 marks 2 tackles 53 dream team points