POSTGAME: Rd 10 vs Yartapuulti

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What a crappy way to start the weekend 

[Bring-Back-Powell 15,555]

  On 19/05/2023 at 13:41, Kumamoto_Ken said:

Worst holiday ever!

Zero stars, would not recommend.

 

 

 

 

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Exactly how I felt on the Saturday night of Gather Round.

Good on you for making the effort to travel over.

[Dusty_Hill 194]

  On 19/05/2023 at 12:59, Seraph said:

They had 3 marks paid in the last quarter that either hit the ground or clearly came off a teammate.

2 within the last 2 minutes.

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That was nuts for sure!!! They took putting the whistle away to such a new level they brought it back…to pay the marks

[Mel Bourne 4,541]

Trac’s head getting taken out was an appalling thing for the umpires to miss, but every game has a couple of them. 

And that boundary throw-in at the end was comically-awful. There was a razor-thin window of opportunity at that stoppage, but that umpire decided to close it. 

But generally I thought the umpiring was pretty standard. Maybe “standard” is the problem? 

[titan_uranus 25,255]

I get people are emotional after a loss but for [censored]’s sake there is some absolutely ridiculous stuff in here. 

We lost by 4 points on the road to a top 4 side in extreme pressure in the wet. Only Melbourne supporters with wildly misguided expectations interpret that to mean we’re done for the year, or that Goodwin can’t coach, or that our side has lost its hunger, or worst of the lot, the classic “we fluked the 2021 flag” rot. 

I’m gutted that we didn’t hold on but we got the wrong end of the umpiring stick when the game was on the line and we couldn’t shake the fumbles when we needed to. Our unbalanced side (Salem for Sparrow didn’t work) couldn’t stay with Port when the crowd and momentum lifted.

The third quarter showed how good we can be but we started too far behind and needed to kick the first of the last to steady the ship. 

JVR’s free kicks late capped off a really ordinary night. I thought TMac was terrible too and I’d prefer not to play them as our two talls next week. 

[Mel Bourne 4,541]

  On 19/05/2023 at 13:44, Dusty_Hill said:

That was nuts for sure!!! They took putting the whistle away to such a new level they brought it back…to pay the marks

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Marks get paid a little more liberally in wet weather. Visibility is low and efforts are rewarded a little more than usual. 

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Kade Chandler's goals have dried up to

[The heart beats true 18,201]

I don’t get why people keep asking what Nick Daicos will do to us based on Butters game?

Daicos might have struggled tonight. It wasn’t a game for hand offs and elite kicking. It was a ‘go and get your own ball night’. They are both great players, but very, very different.

[Devil In Disguise 2,284]

  On 19/05/2023 at 13:35, david_neitz_is_my_dad said:

Blaming the umpire is just the feel-better option.

We are *** **** in the wet, it doesn't suit us one bit. Our forward line is a mess and massively underperforming. Look at the top teams and their forward lines and then ours, not a single player aside from Chandler is actually stringing good games together.

I would hate to see what we would look like without 2 of the best midfielders in the comp in this team.

Collingwood will destroy us on Kings Birthday.

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Kicked 7 in the wet in the 3rd quarter so your theory that we don't play well is flawed. We lost that game to some [censored] umpiring & gifting Port dumb frees. Only one kick in it at the final siren & nearly pinched it after a poor 1st half.

[Nascent 9,345]

A positive for the game is we only played 1 quarter and only lost by 4 points. Negatives are the other 3 quarters.

[Demon Dynasty 17,166]

  On 19/05/2023 at 13:28, dazzledavey36 said:

I'd rather he not do pressers at all then to come out with that tripe.

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That was complete rubbish speak tonight.  We were smashed in clearances to half time and allowed their two main play makers to run free all night.

In addition not one mention of the fact that 5 of their last 6 shots on goal came from 4 free kicks inside 50, three of those questionable, and one dropped mark.

At least raise it as they don't win without that last quarter perfomance from the umps!

WTF was that!????

Edited May 19, 2023 by Demon Dynasty

[Queanbeyan Demon 7,026]

  On 19/05/2023 at 12:40, Roost it far said:

Goodwin is cooked, I don’t rate him at all. May’s kick outs are absurd. Our clearance work is ordinary and we crumble under pressure. They should have won by 30 points. Embarrassing. 

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Clarko may well be available in a month or two 🧨

[Demonsone 2,056]

Played 1 qtr and almost won

our Clearances is an issue & has been all season

the 4 extra players for port didn’t help, umpiring was very poor 

[The heart beats true 18,201]

  On 19/05/2023 at 13:45, titan_uranus said:

I get people are emotional after a loss but for [censored]’s sake there is some absolutely ridiculous stuff in here. 

We lost by 4 points on the road to a top 4 side in extreme pressure in the wet. Only Melbourne supporters with wildly misguided expectations interpret that to mean we’re done for the year, or that Goodwin can’t coach, or that our side has lost its hunger, or worst of the lot, the classic “we fluked the 2021 flag” rot. 

I’m gutted that we didn’t hold on but we got the wrong end of the umpiring stick when the game was on the line and we couldn’t shake the fumbles when we needed to. Our unbalanced side (Salem for Sparrow didn’t work) couldn’t stay with Port when the crowd and momentum lifted.

The third quarter showed how good we can be but we started too far behind and needed to kick the first of the last to steady the ship. 

JVR’s free kicks late capped off a really ordinary night. I thought TMac was terrible too and I’d prefer not to play them as our two talls next week. 

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All valid points Titan. I think for me the genuine concern now comes from our record against good sides. We don’t seem to be able to get the job done in 70% of those games.

JVR and Tom looked ordinary all night, but it’s very hard to judge tall forwards in those conditions.

[Timothy Reddan-A'Blew 5,690]

  On 19/05/2023 at 13:32, Older demon said:

We lost by 4 points and it is the middle of May. We have JVR, Chandler and McGee whose games tally is barely in double figures. We have come off a short break and our 5th interstate trip in 10 games. Rember it is how you finish the season.

Trac didn't look 100 % and despite his detractors the midfield missed Sparrow. Yes I am surprised that Butters was allowed to run rampant and to a lesser extent Rozee, we don't appear to have any run with players. 

We gave away soft goals from free kicks which cost us the game and in tonights condition no Marshall or Dixon may have actually helped. It was a coaching master stroke to put Burton, a defender on Lever and he scored. And twice Lord marked because he played in front of Lever.

Let's wait and see how we develop the season particularly our forward structure as 2 rucks, JVR and Mac didn't really work tonight. There is lots of room for improvement

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I've just picked this one out of a handful of like-minded posts (perhaps the poster's moniker resonated!)

That's where I'm at, too. And if there's one thing 'old' gives us, it's time-won insight that what we supporters 'project' onto them is probably very different from where our twenty-something players' and our 'been-there-done-that-I'm-actually-the-ones-involved-here' coaching and football staff's heads are actually at. Check out Maysie's post-game for a 'soother'.

(I cower now for the blow-back...)

Edited May 19, 2023 by Timothy Reddan-A'Blew

[Mel Bourne 4,541]

  On 19/05/2023 at 13:50, Demon Dynasty said:

That was complete rubbish speak tonight.  We were smashed in clearances to half time and allowed their two main play makers to run free all night.

In addition not one mention of the fact that 5 of their last 6 shots on goal came from 4 free kicks inside 50, three of those questionable, and one dropped mark.

At least raise it as they don't win without that last quarter perfomance from the umps!

WTF was that!????

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I’ve thought about this for a while, and I can’t think of one time I’ve come away from watching a sports-related press conference/interview and thinking I’d gained some useful knowledge. 

[Gawndy the Great 9,011]

  On 19/05/2023 at 13:50, Demon Dynasty said:

That was complete rubbish speak tonight.  We were smashed in clearances to half time and allowed their two main play makers to run free all night.

In addition not one mention of the fact that 5 of their last 6 shots on goal came from 4 free kicks inside 50, three of those questionable, and one dropped mark.

At least raise it as they don't win wothout that last quarter perfomance from the umps!

WTF was that!????

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Yeah forgot about that. We get absolutely robbed by the umps every time we go to that ground. Cannot wait for an AI based umpire to finally sought this [censored] out. 
 

[Dusty_Hill 194]

  On 19/05/2023 at 13:20, Redleg said:

Jono Brown gave the answer on the non 2nd 50, said if they paid it and it was clear there, MFC could have won.That’s why it wasn’t paid, like plenty of other blatant frees.

Wish Chris Scott was our coach just for the media conference.

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Whilst plenty of other things cost us the game, it’s clearly bad when the commentary picks it out multiple times. It’s time to spend more money on better full time umpires. 

[ANG13 2,110]

It’s fair to say we have work to do. Its hard to win games of footy it’s a lot harder when so few of our players actually played well. 
 

Our mix of talls across the whole ground is an issue. Lever is a good player but he struggles with one on one defending, I am already worried about the match ups against Carlton. The Gawn and Grundy combination not sure where getting enough value out of it and then our tall forwards just don’t fit in with our game style. 
 

Then we move onto our midfield, we have a good midfield it’s not the best in the competition but it’s good. Our clearance work is just horrible and needs addressing. Hunter and Langdon are both struggling for me. I would love to see Rivers and Salem who looked really fit given more time on the wings, particularly Rivers who besides one horrible kick was good tonight. I feel he takes the game on more and we need more of that. 
 

Just listened to Goodwins press conference and surprised he wasn’t more critical of our performance tonight. I can’t remember the last time I got this angry watching the tv. 
 

 

[Mel Bourne 4,541]

  On 19/05/2023 at 13:53, Gawndy the Great said:

Yeah forgot about that. We get absolutely robbed by the umps every time we go to that ground. Cannot wait for an AI based umpire to finally sought this [censored] out. 
 

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Yeah, and AI players while we’re at it. And maybe the crowds can also be AI. Think of all the extra time we’ll have on weekends. 

[Demon Dynasty 17,166]

  On 19/05/2023 at 13:45, Mel Bourne said:

Trac’s head getting taken out was an appalling thing for the umpires to miss, but every game has a couple of them. 

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The missed front on contact forearm to the face of Max trying to mark in the middle was worse IMO

Equally the most blatant biased umpiring of the year bar the last quarter of the Collingwood match against Adelaide over there as well.

Theyre turning into the new version of West Coast's venue of corruption fortress they had going for 15 years under Marghets and his mate.

[david_neitz_is_my_dad 4,084]

If Lever starts sprinting straight away the ump would have been forced to call 50 but he jogs/runs for the first part and then sprints once Lord starts to slow down

[titan_uranus 25,255]

  On 19/05/2023 at 13:50, The heart beats true said:

All valid points Titan. I think for me the genuine concern now comes from our record against good sides. We don’t seem to be able to get the job done in 70% of those games.

JVR and Tom looked ordinary all night, but it’s very hard to judge tall forwards in those conditions.

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I agree that of late we have been coming up short against quality sides and that ideally we’d be winning more of these top 4 contests, but in most of the recent losses (I think Brisbane and Essendon this year are the only outliers) we’ve led for long parts of the game. It’s relatively fine margins, hardly a suggestion we’re toast. 

They have a very good midfield and slaughtered us for time in forward half, yet our system and structure helped keep us in it and when we turned the midfield tide in the third we scored at will. The crowd, some crucial free kicks, and our fumbles helped get them the momentum back but despite being well beaten in the middle for three quarters and despite Butters playing an all time elite game we lost by just 4 points. As I said, it’s fine margins sometimes.  

JVR was undisciplined and TMac was slow, it’s not their lack of marking that got to me. 

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I just wish kozzie would put some more defensive pressure on especially in our forward line. 

Actually run and tackle 

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Amongst everything else, missed Petty tonight - at either end.