Trade Rumours 2023

[Roost it far 10,260]

  On 23/09/2023 at 02:41, BaliDemon said:

Riley Beveridge reporting on SEN Crunch Time that the AFL are going to recommend an assistance package to North Melbourne of:

- End of first round pick in 2023

- End of first round pick in 2024

- End of second round pick in 2024

- No priority access to Riley Sanders 

** Pick 3 compensation for McKay is a separate issue. Will “likely happen” but won’t have anything to do with assistance package.  

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Seems fair

[Gator 18,056]

  On 23/09/2023 at 02:41, BaliDemon said:

Riley Beveridge reporting on SEN Crunch Time that the AFL are going to recommend an assistance package to North Melbourne of:

- End of first round pick in 2023

- End of first round pick in 2024

- End of second round pick in 2024

- No priority access to Riley Sanders 

** Pick 3 compensation for McKay is a separate issue. Will “likely happen” but won’t have anything to do with assistance package.  

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It was Tom Morris.

Btw, I like your style.  😉

[demoncat 1,726]

  On 23/09/2023 at 02:41, BaliDemon said:

Riley Beveridge reporting on SEN Crunch Time that the AFL are going to recommend an assistance package to North Melbourne of:

- End of first round pick in 2023

- End of first round pick in 2024

- End of second round pick in 2024

- No priority access to Riley Sanders 

** Pick 3 compensation for McKay is a separate issue. Will “likely happen” but won’t have anything to do with assistance package.  

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A fair outcome imo - North have a great young core and one of the best coaches of all time, anything more would have been overkill 

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  On 23/09/2023 at 02:50, Gator said:

It was Tom Morris.

Btw, I like your style.  😉

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Was it? Jeez he sounded like Riley! 

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  On 23/09/2023 at 02:51, demoncat said:

A fair outcome imo - North have a great young core and one of the best coaches of all time, anything more would have been overkill 

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I like the fact that they won’t compromise the first round. With Ben McKay for pick 3 type scenarios occurring, I think that’s right. That’s already a big enough leg up. 

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  On 23/09/2023 at 02:41, BaliDemon said:

Riley Beveridge reporting on SEN Crunch Time that the AFL are going to recommend an assistance package to North Melbourne of:

- End of first round pick in 2023

- End of first round pick in 2024

- End of second round pick in 2024

- No priority access to Riley Sanders 

** Pick 3 compensation for McKay is a separate issue. Will “likely happen” but won’t have anything to do with assistance package.  

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The AFL also gave North the right to an additional two rookies on the list - a measure aimed at allowing the club to keep younger players while bringing in more mature talent.

Sources familiar with the AFL’s draft assistance package for the Kangaroos said the future picks had to be used in trades this year or they would cease to exist.  North Melbourne have not had the problem of key players leaving the club.

 

Confused!!!! Why end of first round pick in 2024 and end of second round 2024???? 
That’s draft help over 3 years !!!! 2022. 2023. 2024. They got picks as assistance last year ‘ 22 which they used it to get Logue and Tucker. 

Agree with end of first round 2023. Okay. But not 2024  

I’d also given them priority access to two players from state leagues.  Like Suns got and they picked up Josh Corbett and Chris Burgess.  It’s a help but not a huge gift.  
 

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  On 23/09/2023 at 02:56, BaliDemon said:

I like the fact that they won’t compromise the first round. With Ben McKay for pick 3 type scenarios occurring, I think that’s right. That’s already a big enough leg up. 

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The first round is already compromised with Suns academy players...

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Morris said 'late first round pick'....is pick 11 regarded as late.....😲

[demoniac 1,337]

  On 22/09/2023 at 21:34, Dwight Schrute said:

I know a lot don't rate him, but i'd be going for Chol, i don't mind what he brings in the ruck and i think he'll offer more as a forward than Tmac and Brown are capable of at this stage. 

if we could somehow work that pick 4 into the deal by including points and future picks that'd be the dream outcome, but unless we offer overs that's going to the Doggies or North

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Chol offers a unique skillset: crumbing forward/second ruck!

[Lord Travis 10,819]

  On 23/09/2023 at 02:41, BaliDemon said:

Riley Beveridge reporting on SEN Crunch Time that the AFL are going to recommend an assistance package to North Melbourne of:

- End of first round pick in 2023

- End of first round pick in 2024

- End of second round pick in 2024

- No priority access to Riley Sanders 

** Pick 3 compensation for McKay is a separate issue. Will “likely happen” but won’t have anything to do with assistance package.  

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No worries. Why don’t they just let North pick whoever they want and then the other clubs can fight over the leftovers.

North’s young midfield stock is probably the best this century behind GWS a few years back. They need no further assistance, just time for their kids to develop.

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  On 23/09/2023 at 04:32, Lord Travis said:

No worries. Why don’t they just let North pick whoever they want and then the other clubs can fight over the leftovers.

North’s young midfield stock is probably the best this century behind GWS a few years back. They need no further assistance, just time for their kids to develop.

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This is hyperbole. No-one knows that. Sheezel looks a star, LDU is establishing himself but unknown how good the others will become. People go ape droppings over high draft picks but odds are pretty strong that a few won’t be as good as initially thought. 

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  On 23/09/2023 at 04:38, BaliDemon said:

This is hyperbole. No-one knows that. Sheezel looks a star, LDU is establishing himself but unknown how good the others will become. People go ape droppings over high draft picks but odds are pretty strong that a few won’t be as good as initially thought. 

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Wardlaw and Sheezel are already guns

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  On 23/09/2023 at 04:40, jnrmac said:

Wardlaw and Sheezel are already guns

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Wardlaw has played 8 games of senior footy. “Gun” is probably pulling the trigger a little too early. 

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  On 23/09/2023 at 04:38, BaliDemon said:

This is hyperbole. No-one knows that. Sheezel looks a star, LDU is establishing himself but unknown how good the others will become. People go ape droppings over high draft picks but odds are pretty strong that a few won’t be as good as initially thought. 

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Sheezel, LDU are proven. Simpkin’s very good. Wardlaw’s proven to have great talent. Tarryn Thomas is a freakish talent and they don’t deserve to benefit if they can’t turn him around. If they can’t make a good midfield out of those 5 they’re not going to do it with more talent.

And thats already allowing for Phillips and Powell not being much chop so far but both are at least useful and could be trade assets if they wanted to get more picks in.

It’s crazy to give them future picks when they have the ability to trade future picks right now.

There’s no reason to give them more talent and allow them bonus picks to trade. Especially in to future years. Give them what they got last year to bring in Logue and tell them to trade extra picks if they need to. 

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  On 23/09/2023 at 05:04, DeeSpencer said:

Sheezel, LDU are proven. Simpkin’s very good. Wardlaw’s proven to have great talent. Tarryn Thomas is a freakish talent and they don’t deserve to benefit if they can’t turn him around. If they can’t make a good midfield out of those 5 they’re not going to do it with more talent.

And thats already allowing for Phillips and Powell not being much chop so far but both are at least useful and could be trade assets if they wanted to get more picks in.

It’s crazy to give them future picks when they have the ability to trade future picks right now.

There’s no reason to give them more talent and allow them bonus picks to trade. Especially in to future years. Give them what they got last year to bring in Logue and tell them to trade extra picks if they need to. 

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2 end of first rounders means around 2 picks in the 20 - 24 range after academy picks and North finishing a bit higher on the ladder. They are okay picks but nothing special. End of second rounder will be around pick 40 which is nothing really. 

I think they’ve got it about right with North. You can’t go helping GC the way they have and then leave the Vic club getting a lesser deal. 

They’ll have the nucleus of side that can challenge for top 8 within 3 seasons. After that it’s up to them. Like everyone else, they will still have gaps and weaknesses on their list that they will have to navigate and overcome. To assume they’ll have a flag three-peat because they’ve got a raft of good young talent and a top coach is a bit over the top. 

Edited September 23, 2023 by BaliDemon

[DeeSpencer 26,718]

  On 23/09/2023 at 05:23, BaliDemon said:

2 end of first rounders means around 2 picks in the 20 - 24 range after academy picks and North finishing a bit higher on the ladder. They are okay picks but nothing special. End of second rounder will be around pick 40 which is nothing really. 

I think they’ve got it about right with North. You can’t go helping GC the way they have and then leave the Vic club getting a lesser deal. 

They’ll have the nucleus of side that can challenge for top 8 within 3 seasons. After that it’s up to them. Like everyone else, they will still have gaps and weaknesses on their list that they will have to navigate and overcome. To assume they’ll have a flag three-peat because they’ve got a raft of good young talent and a top coach is a bit over the top. 

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The Suns help was way over the top but it was justified as they were pretty much starting again from scratch as was not reigning in their academy by now. 

It’s a huge slap in the face for clubs like St Kilda, Freo, Essendon who haven’t won stuff all in years that North are getting spoon fed an easy path back to finals. Doesn’t guarantee more than that but they now have an easy way to build a consistently finals side.

And these picks will help them for a decade, that’s the problem. Any help for bad teams should be based on helping them go from awful to just ok. North have barely tried to do that, they’re still stripping away veterans and not making aggressive moves for mature talent. Where’s the Vince or Tyson trades to actually get better now not in 3 years time?

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  On 23/09/2023 at 05:45, DeeSpencer said:

It’s a huge slap in the face for clubs like St Kilda, Freo, Essendon who haven’t won stuff all in years that North are getting spoon fed an easy path back to finals. Doesn’t guarantee more than that but they now have an easy way to build a consistently finals side.

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Also doesn't make any economic sense to give North a leg up. They're a low drawing financially unsuccessful club with one of the weakest balance sheets in the competition. (Take out their leasehold improvement value on Arden Street and they would be in deep trouble. Want to buy some change rooms and a gym.)

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  On 23/09/2023 at 02:41, BaliDemon said:

Riley Beveridge reporting on SEN Crunch Time that the AFL are going to recommend an assistance package to North Melbourne of:

- End of first round pick in 2023

- End of first round pick in 2024

- End of second round pick in 2024

- No priority access to Riley Sanders 

** Pick 3 compensation for McKay is a separate issue. Will “likely happen” but won’t have anything to do with assistance package.  

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Initially I thought they were going to get 3, 11 and Sanders.

Then I thought they were going to get 3 and 11.

So I think this is a pretty good result for us, all things equal.

We can draft Sanders if we want (if he's not gone already), and that pick 11 won't come before our natural first rounder.

[whatwhat say what 23,900]

  On 23/09/2023 at 01:55, goodwindees said:

I don’t know Fisher but if he is, he’ll have to nominate for the Draft between 10 Oct & 13 Nov.  Just because they were an early selection, you have to be a cautious in your expectations.  

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fish is not interested in resuming an afl career

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  On 23/09/2023 at 05:45, DeeSpencer said:

 

It’s a huge slap in the face for clubs like St Kilda, Freo, Essendon who haven’t won stuff all in years that North are getting spoon fed an easy path back to finals. Doesn’t guarantee more than that but they now have an easy way to build a consistently finals side.

 

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That’s the danger of floating around mid ladder for too long and not making hard calls on your list. 

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Would it be accurate to say that we won't bring in any experienced players other than McAdam and we'll use the rest of our picks in the draft?

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Got me stuffed why Nought is getting anything really..

What makes them so bloody special.

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  On 23/09/2023 at 06:18, Diamond_Jim said:

Also doesn't make any economic sense to give North a leg up. They're a low drawing financially unsuccessful club with one of the weakest balance sheets in the competition. (Take out their leasehold improvement value on Arden Street and they would be in deep trouble. Want to buy some change rooms and a gym.)

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They should relocate to Nauru and call themselves the Guanos 

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  On 23/09/2023 at 07:28, BaliDemon said:

That’s the danger of floating around mid ladder for too long and not making hard calls on your list. 

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Yes but that’s what North did for a decade and when they made hard calls they made too many and didn’t pay up picks or cap space to bring in any help. it was clear they cut too deep.

One of the best arguments for North getting priority picks is the draft being messed by other sides, but you can’t give North too many or you’ll just pay that pain forward to other sides 

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  On 23/09/2023 at 04:38, BaliDemon said:

This is hyperbole. No-one knows that. Sheezel looks a star, LDU is establishing himself but unknown how good the others will become. People go ape droppings over high draft picks but odds are pretty strong that a few won’t be as good as initially thought. 

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LDU is already close to brownlow material if he can stay on the park. Simpkin is very good. Taryn Thomas is a hell of a talent and impacts games. Sheezel just won the rising star and is already at the point of being tagged some weeks. Wardlaws already shown he’s capable at worst, and future AA if he continues rapidly building his body up. That’s 5 potential AA level mids under the age of 25, with three of them already impacting games at a high level. 

Adding Reid or Curtin and Duursma to that is madness. They’d have more top 10 mids on their list that we have mids full stop. 

They need time and mature players around them. More star youth won’t change anything in the short term.