1 hour ago, 12345_54321 said:

Melbourne want to keep him and would sign him up tomorrow if they could but JJ (understandably) is holding off talks while his position in the team is still not certain. He doesn’t want to keep playing at Casey or as the sun and knows if he went elsewhere he’d get games week in week out. He has plenty of interest. He doesn’t want to leave, but he wants to play footy. Kade Chandler is in the same position. Plenty of interest, and just holding off to know his place in the team won’t get knocked off once all our big names return. The club want them both to stay. But they also wanted Bedford to stay last year by offering him a 3 year contract. Interesting position to be in. 

I reckon Bedford and Chandler were fighting for the same position.

JJ got a haircut today, that's all I can say.

Source:  Clarry's insta lol

1 hour ago, 12345_54321 said:

Melbourne want to keep him and would sign him up tomorrow if they could but JJ (understandably) is holding off talks while his position in the team is still not certain. He doesn’t want to keep playing at Casey or as the sun and knows if he went elsewhere he’d get games week in week out. He has plenty of interest. He doesn’t want to leave, but he wants to play footy. Kade Chandler is in the same position. Plenty of interest, and just holding off to know his place in the team won’t get knocked off once all our big names return. The club want them both to stay. But they also wanted Bedford to stay last year by offering him a 3 year contract. Interesting position to be in. 

Keeping the list together is a massive challenge for a club like the dees atm that is set up for a sustained period of success.

The tigers did brilliantly at keeping that dominant team together, and bringing lynch in was a winner, but they still lost deledio, then later Ellis, higgins and Chol (and maybe another player?)

Bedford's pace would be super helpful with the way the game is playing. So would have preferred we kept him. But don't begrudge him at all. Deserves to play full games. Bloody unlucky to be injured.

And i wouldn't want to lose any of say JJ, Laurie and Chandler. Particularly JJ. 

But the math says there are going to be AFL standard players not getting a game, or enough games, who will leave to get them.

I think the club has been really smart to lock so many of our top ten players on long term deals.

Tracc, Clarry, Gus, Salem and Max are all locked in for the next six years. Gives them some flexibility with how they structure and spread payments. And it cuts down on contract negotiations, that always distract to some degree.

That flexibility has no doubt helped them sort the Rivers deal, and have the salary cap space to offer kozzie a good deal.

If in addition to all the signings noted above (and players like may, lever, viney  mcvee, friiter, nibbler  spargo and sparrow who are all squared away), koz signs, and we get jvr locked in for a few years, we have the foundation of a crazy good list for the next 4-5 years. 

 

8 hours ago, old55 said:

Cal Twomey in the latest ep of Gettable talking about the small forward-midfielder role e.g. Papley, Kossie, Rachele as the most valuable in footy currently 

https://www.afl.com.au/podcasts/gettable

I wonder if that will dictate drafting strategy this year, given our strong draft hand.

Get Kozzy signed up and then get him and Chandler a partner for next year.

Edited April 20, 20231 yr by A F

7 minutes ago, binman said:

Keeping the list together is a massive challenge for a club like the dees atm that is set up for a sustained period of success.

The tigers did brilliantly at keeping that dominant team together, and bringing lynch in was a winner, but they still lost deledio, then later Ellis, higgins and Chol (and maybe another player?)

Bedford's pace would be super helpful with the way the game is playing. So would have preferred we kept him. But don't begrudge him at all. Deserves to play full games. Bloody unlucky to be injured.

And i wouldn't want to lose any of say JJ, Laurie and Chandler. Particularly JJ. 

But the math says there are going to be AFL standard players not getting a game, or enough games, who will leave to get them.

I think the club has been really smart to lock so many of our top ten players on long term deals.

Tracc, Clarry, Gus, Salem and Max are all locked in for the next six years. Gives them some flexibility with how they structure and spread payments. And it cuts down on contract negotiations, that always distract to some degree.

That flexibility has no doubt helped them sort the Rivers deal, and have the salary cap space to offer kozzie a good deal.

If in addition to all the signings noted above (and players like may, lever, viney  mcvee, friiter, nibbler  spargo and sparrow who are all squared away), koz signs, and we get jvr locked in for a few years, we have the foundation of a crazy good list for the next 4-5 years. 

 

And bring in another two top 20 draftees this year to that list. 👌 Cherry ripe. 

54 minutes ago, binman said:

And i wouldn't want to lose any of say JJ, Laurie and Chandler. Particularly JJ. 

But the math says there are going to be AFL standard players not getting a game, or enough games, who will leave to get them.

this

they deserve opportunity and if it's elsewhere then...so be it

 

8 hours ago, binman said:

Tracc, Clarry, Gus, Salem and Max are all locked in for the next six years. Gives them some flexibility with how they structure and spread payments. And it cuts down on contract negotiations, that always distract to some degree.

If in addition to all the signings noted above (and players like may, lever, viney  mcvee, friiter, nibbler  spargo and sparrow who are all squared away), koz signs, and we get jvr locked in for a few years, we have the foundation of a crazy good list for the next 4-5 years.

Just for the record, 'bold' players' contracts have or will expire in the next few years.  Salem and Fritsch contracts expire in 2026.

May, Gawn and Viney will be 33, 34 and 31 when their contracts expire in 2 years.  Except for McVee, JvR, Spargo and Sparrow the other players, including our stars will be over 30 in 4-5 years. 

Now there is nothing wrong with players over 30 but have too many and we may end up like 'dad's army' Geelong in 4-5 years.  Especially so if they are our engine room:  Brayshaw, Petracca, Oliver, Viney, Grundy.

I would be surprised if quite a few of the players mentioned (May, Gawn, Viney, Nibbler, Sparrow and maybe Spargo) are on our list in 4-5 years. 

While it is sometimes good to lock away players we need to refresh the talent and age profile otherwise the 'age' cliff can arrive very quickly.  Some might say who cares if we win a few premierships in that time.  I do.  We need to set the list up for long term contention and success.

One could argue that long term contracts reduce our flexibility.  I just hope all those long contracts are not back-ended.

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9 hours ago, A F said:

I wonder if that will dictate drafting strategy this year, given our strong draft hand.

Get Kozzy signed up and then get him and Chandler a partner for next year.

Not for us if we sign Kossie. I thnk with Spargo, Chandler, ANB, Laurie and AMW on the list we're well stocked. However none of that latter list are game breakers like Papley, Kossie, Rachele. We need to sign Kossie.

The prospect Cal talked about is:

Nick Watson

169cm/66kg
24/2/05
Eastern Ranges/Vic Metro
Small forward

The 'Wizard' Watson delighted last year with his skills as a small forward. He kicked 18 goals from seven games in the NAB League, including nine goals in the first two rounds, and also featured prominently in Vic Metro's under-18 carnival win. Watson kicks goals from all angles, is classy and crafty inside-50, has speed off the mark, can jump on heads and gets in the face of opponents in true small forward style.

6 minutes ago, old55 said:

Not for us if we sign Kossie. I thnk with Spargo, Chandler, ANB, Laurie and AMW on the list we're well stocked. However none of that latter list are game breakers like Papley, Kossie, Rachele. We need to sign Kossie.

The prospect Cal talked about is:

Nick Watson

169cm/66kg
24/2/05
Eastern Ranges/Vic Metro
Small forward

The 'Wizard' Watson delighted last year with his skills as a small forward. He kicked 18 goals from seven games in the NAB League, including nine goals in the first two rounds, and also featured prominently in Vic Metro's under-18 carnival win. Watson kicks goals from all angles, is classy and crafty inside-50, has speed off the mark, can jump on heads and gets in the face of opponents in true small forward style.

He seems like the kind of player who will slide a bit due to size.... maybe a pick around 10-15?

I wouldn't be surprised to see us go hard at this draft and trade up to have 2 picks inside the top 10-15.

For example, let's say the dockers finish 11th which is their current position (highly likely given their draw) then we will have pick 8.

Gold Coast currently have pick 3, however I expect they will win enough games to finish around 14th and will hold pick 6. Given they have a big key forward academy player who is a potential top 3 prospect we may be able to work a deal with them where we give our first round pick, Freos second and a future 1st for this pick plus some extra picks coming back.

This would give us picks 6 & 8 in the draft, plus later picks to match a bid on Kynan Brown.

13 hours ago, Brownie said:

I reckon he's a keeper. Bloody honest player

Agreed. A good rock solid AFL player that does the fundamentals well. He'd be very frustrated rotating between Casey, starting AFL 22 and sub from week to week.

Nailed a very nice sausage on the boundary line last week.

Hearing that Essendon and the Saints both have real interest in JJ and will pursue him. which makes sense as he's a quality guy and player with premiership experience. 

8 minutes ago, Dwight Schrute said:

Hearing that Essendon and the Saints both have real interest in JJ and will pursue him. which makes sense as he's a quality guy and player with premiership experience. 

JJ is UFA so he can go where he likes. Competition for him has a silver lining because if he does decide to go it will improve his contract and our compensation.

39 minutes ago, Dwight Schrute said:

Hearing that Essendon and the Saints both have real interest in JJ and will pursue him. which makes sense as he's a quality guy and player with premiership experience. 

Bombers would be a decent fit I reckon, adds something else to that midfield.

52 minutes ago, old55 said:

JJ is UFA so he can go where he likes. Competition for him has a silver lining because if he does decide to go it will improve his contract and our compensation.

What would the compensation probably be? Maybe the one after our 2nd round pick?

12 hours ago, DeelightfulPlay said:

JJ got a haircut today, that's all I can say.

Source:  Clarry's insta lol

May not be the only haircut he'll need if he's going to stay 😉

*Rimshot*

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5 minutes ago, Damo said:

What would the compensation probably be? Maybe the one after our 2nd round pick?

3rd or 4th round pick probably. He's a pick 33 who hasn't placed in a BnF or anything of note to increase his value. We'll realistically get a pick in the 50s-60s for him.

For JJ's sake, he'd be better off moving to another club. He's performing better than others getting a game at AFL level every week, yet is being bounced between VFL and sub. He's capable of AFL level and should be getting a game every week. If we can't offer him that, then he's better off leaving.

Can't keep them all!

If it is in the 50's or later that will mean Taylor just wont use it. I think JJ is worth much more, but its a weird system where we got much more for Chip Frawley than we deserved so swings and roundabouts.

13 hours ago, DeelightfulPlay said:

JJ got a haircut today, that's all I can say.

Source:  Clarry's insta lol

Hopefully not the same hairdresser!

If we are serious about keeping JJ it wouldn’t take much on our behalf. We just need to play him in the seniors. He deserves it. 

6 minutes ago, Demon Dynasty said:

Hopefully not the same hairdresser!

It was the same hairdresser but Clarry acknowledged they can't polish a [censored] (his literal words) 💩

7 minutes ago, Jaded No More said:

If we are serious about keeping JJ it wouldn’t take much on our behalf. We just need to play him in the seniors. He deserves it. 

I agree.  His form from the limited sub time and his Casey matches is a fair way ahead of some.

Is he competing with Gus / Hunter / Sparrow?

Would need to share a role with or replace one of those yes?

17 minutes ago, Damo said:

If it is in the 50's or later that will mean Taylor just wont use it. I think JJ is worth much more, but its a weird system where we got much more for Chip Frawley than we deserved so swings and roundabouts.

Maybe use to match a bid for Kynan Brown?

20 minutes ago, Jaded No More said:

If we are serious about keeping JJ it wouldn’t take much on our behalf. We just need to play him in the seniors. He deserves it. 

Exactly. IMO he is more a keeper than Sparrow. ANB is getting older and Melk is on his last legs.

We need to play him and keep him. He won’t be replaced for what we get for him. 

58 minutes ago, Damo said:

If it is in the 50's or later that will mean Taylor just wont use it. I think JJ is worth much more, but its a weird system where we got much more for Chip Frawley than we deserved so swings and roundabouts.

Quote

 

The compensation formula produces a points rating for players based on:

1. The new contract of the free agent;
2. The age of the free agent.

Draft picks are allocated to clubs based on the net total points for free agents lost and gained during the transfer period.

Draft picks will be allocated to one of five places:

•  1st round
•  end of 1st round
•  2nd round
•  end of 2nd round
•  3rd round

 

If we win the flag end of 3rd round is 55 (after plus or minus Academy and F/S picks), end of 2nd round best case is 37.  As @ChaserJ says we could use the pick to pay for a bid on Kynan Brown or bundle it to GC for their Academy selections.

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