Delisting/Out of Contract Targets

[DeeSpencer 26,290]

I really think we need to bring in some cheap depth players to see if they can crack the 22 or at least provide more cover than young kids given our window is now.

Some options already have threads, like a Josh Corbett. Here are some other ideas.

Darragh Joyce - 25 - 194cm - 95kg
25 year old Irish fella delisted by the Saints. VFL form has been strong. Good athlete. Could well provide cheap key defensive depth if we moved Tomlinson

Liam McMahon - 20 - 198cm - 89kg
Pick 31 in the 2020 draft, cut after 2 years. Played as a forward as a junior but the Pies settled him as a key back . Nice kick, skinny and needs time. Not the most physical or athletic but with his height and skills he wouldn't need to be. No point expecting skinny kids to be physical either, train him up and see if that develops as he adds bulk. Surprised the Pies didn't want to see a 3rd year with a bit more bulk.

Jaxon Prior - 21 - 189cm - 85kg

3 years on the Lions list and hasn't quite locked down a best 22 spot, has played some half back or wing. With Dunkley and Ashcroft coming in and Brisbane needed picks and probably cap space he could be squeezed out for a cheap deal and pick I think. I like him as a winger with his big body. His long left foot would provide something different for our midfield mix. Wouldn't expect him to walk in to the best 22 but he'd provide some competition to JJ for a wing spot.

Jack Newnes - 29 - 185cm, 86kg
We all know Newnes, can play half back but wing is his best role. Just a very playable outside runner. Nothing special but runs, kicks, not the worst at the contest. If we want a year or two of solid wing play that allows us to use our current midfielders through the half forward line more he'll provide it.

[mo64 5,881]

I don't mind some of the suggestions. But you were complaining about senior players holding back the development of young players at Casey. Jack Newnes would be a classic example of just that. He got the flick from St. Kilda, can't get a game at the Blues, but you think he could be in our best 22. Personally I prefer JJ as our wingman, and see how Howes and Woey develop.

[DeeSpencer 26,290]

2 minutes ago, mo64 said:

I don't mind some of the suggestions. But you were complaining about senior players holding back the development of young players at Casey. Jack Newnes would be a classic example of just that. He got the flick from St. Kilda, can't get a game at the Blues, but you think he could be in our best 22. Personally I prefer JJ as our wingman, and see how Howes and Woey develop.

I’m conflicting myself but I’m ok with it in a position where we have no depth, have struggled for years to find answers and the player coming in could stick in the best 22 relatively easily. M Brown, Dunstan and Baker were never going to be picked by Goodwin unless we had a stack of injuries and were always going to make way for other options. If JJ or Langdon got injured and Harmes/Gus were needed elsewhere I’d imagine Newnes would stick in the team at least for 2023. Woey and Howes are more 2024 options I think. 

[Demon Disciple 12,452]

Rodman has been delisted and Mitch Brown has retired, per the mfc website

[Lord Travis 10,793]

Mitch Brown retired.

Fraser Rossman delisted. 

Official as posted on club socials and website.

[mo64 5,881]

37 minutes ago, Demon Disciple said:

Rodman has been delisted and Mitch Brown has retired, per the mfc website

This will allow him to spend more time with Kim Jong-un.

[Demon Disciple 12,452]

1 minute ago, mo64 said:

This will allow him to spend more time with Kim Jong-un.

Damn auto correct

[Turner 1,516]

4 hours ago, DeeSpencer said:

Jaxon Prior - 21 - 189cm - 85kg

3 years on the Lions list and hasn't quite locked down a best 22 spot, has played some half back or wing. With Dunkley and Ashcroft coming in and Brisbane needed picks and probably cap space he could be squeezed out for a cheap deal and pick I think. I like him as a winger with his big body. His long left foot would provide something different for our midfield mix. Wouldn't expect him to walk in to the best 22 but he'd provide some competition to JJ for a wing spot.

 

1. he hasnt been delisted yet, 2. he played in an elimination final only rhis year and with robinson leaving, he'll have first crack at that wing next season, going no where.

also tomlinson isnt leaving, like he just isn't, he's staying as depth and insurance. so why on earth would we move on a player who has spent 3-4 years learning our system for an irishman with 3x less games, to fill the exact same role. 

it's very rare for young players who didnt play a game to get another afl chance straight away. if the pies saw even a glimmer of something in mcmahon as a 20yo 198cm prospect theyd have given him the chance to continue developing at vfl level. if they didn't, theres a reason for that... next.

the only delisted players who have even slightly intrigued me so far are 

Callow for a train-on/rookie spot or just get him down to Casey for the year coz they'll need a Key forward

and TPhillips as a train on, but only if baker goes. and similar to my argument about Tomlinson v Joyce, Baker knows the system, knows the squad and puts up similar/better vfl stats so it would be meaningless to change it unless you thought phillips was going to absolutely make a difference and given where our list is and our game style i'd argue not

[DeeSpencer 26,290]

21 minutes ago, Turner said:

1. he hasnt been delisted yet, 2. he played in an elimination final only rhis year and with robinson leaving, he'll have first crack at that wing next season, going no where.

Neale, Dunkley, McCluggage, Rayner, Berry, Lyons, Zorko, Bailey, Ashcroft, Answorth, Ah Chee, Dev Robertson and possibly Tunstill are all ahead of him and can’t all play in the same midfield. The Lions will need cap space and draft picks. Someone will shake out.

26 minutes ago, Turner said:

also tomlinson isnt leaving, like he just isn't, he's staying as depth and insurance. so why on earth would we move on a player who has spent 3-4 years learning our system for an irishman with 3x less games, to fill the exact same role. 

400k less cash is a big reason why

27 minutes ago, Turner said:

it's very rare for young players who didnt play a game to get another afl chance straight away. if the pies saw even a glimmer of something in mcmahon as a 20yo 198cm prospect theyd have given him the chance to continue developing at vfl level. if they didn't, theres a reason for that... next.

Clubs mostly get it right but key defenders is one spot they can miss. Stephen Gilham, Zac Dawson and Ryan Gardner (as a mid season draft pick post playing for the dogs VFL) are 3 who were snapped up quickly and played in grand finals. I think McMahon would be worth a good look at the tape and some train on time. 

[Turner 1,516]

 

8 minutes ago, DeeSpencer said:

Neale, Dunkley, McCluggage, Rayner, Berry, Lyons, Zorko, Bailey, Ashcroft, Answorth, Ah Chee, Dev Robertson and possibly Tunstill are all ahead of him and can’t all play in the same midfield. The Lions will need cap space and draft picks. Someone will shake out.

Neale, Rayner, Lyons, Robertson, Zorko aren't wingers. They've got other fringe players that'll leave before prior does

8 minutes ago, DeeSpencer said:

400k less cash is a big reason why

that's why im suggesting (in the tomlison thread) that we'll smooth that out for an extra few years and that'll just about do him

10 minutes ago, DeeSpencer said:

Clubs mostly get it right but key defenders is one spot they can miss. Stephen Gilham, Zac Dawson and Ryan Gardner (as a mid season draft pick post playing for the dogs VFL) are 3 who were snapped up quickly and played in grand finals. I think McMahon would be worth a good look at the tape and some train on time. 

true, you're right i dindt think of him as a KPD, he'd have to be trained up there but he was drafted and played as a forward

https://vfl.aflmstats.com/player/Liam_McMahon and according to this played mostly through the guts?

[Older demon 2,799]

I think initially the club has to delist a minimum of 3. To date we have retirees in Brown & Daw, Rosman delisted and Jackson of to Freo. At this stage perhaps the club is making minimal changes this year. Chandler promised a list spot and grundy for Jacko.

[spirit of norm smith 16,617]

Wait and see “who” and “how” some players may become available.  Hard to see yet if any players got our two needs… 1-another key forward and 2-outside running mid with good skills (for forward connection!!!)

[MadAsHell 4,217]

Pass on all the above names.

[Lucifers Hero 40,520]

12 hours ago, Older demon said:

I think initially the club has to delist a minimum of 3. To date we have retirees in Brown & Daw, Rosman delisted and Jackson of to Freo. At this stage perhaps the club is making minimal changes this year. Chandler promised a list spot and grundy for Jacko.

Just to clarify.  I believe the rule is to use at least 3 picks at the National Draft.  However, that includes using a late pick to upgrade a rookie as we will this year for Chandler.  That could be our pick 86.

Clubs can delist as many as they want and 6-10 is not uncommon.

I suspect there are more changes to come.

[Fritta and Turner 4,675]

26 minutes ago, Lucifers Hero said:

I suspect there are more changes to come.

For the sake of the health of the list I hope so

[layzie 34,339]

19 hours ago, DeeSpencer said:

I really think we need to bring in some cheap depth players to see if they can crack the 22 or at least provide more cover than young kids given our window is now.

Some options already have threads, like a Josh Corbett. Here are some other ideas.

Darragh Joyce - 25 - 194cm - 95kg
25 year old Irish fella delisted by the Saints. VFL form has been strong. Good athlete. Could well provide cheap key defensive depth if we moved Tomlinson

Liam McMahon - 20 - 198cm - 89kg
Pick 31 in the 2020 draft, cut after 2 years. Played as a forward as a junior but the Pies settled him as a key back . Nice kick, skinny and needs time. Not the most physical or athletic but with his height and skills he wouldn't need to be. No point expecting skinny kids to be physical either, train him up and see if that develops as he adds bulk. Surprised the Pies didn't want to see a 3rd year with a bit more bulk.

Jaxon Prior - 21 - 189cm - 85kg

3 years on the Lions list and hasn't quite locked down a best 22 spot, has played some half back or wing. With Dunkley and Ashcroft coming in and Brisbane needed picks and probably cap space he could be squeezed out for a cheap deal and pick I think. I like him as a winger with his big body. His long left foot would provide something different for our midfield mix. Wouldn't expect him to walk in to the best 22 but he'd provide some competition to JJ for a wing spot.

Jack Newnes - 29 - 185cm, 86kg
We all know Newnes, can play half back but wing is his best role. Just a very playable outside runner. Nothing special but runs, kicks, not the worst at the contest. If we want a year or two of solid wing play that allows us to use our current midfielders through the half forward line more he'll provide it.

I don't mind the idea of Liam Mcmahon as a bit of a project. Ideally it would be good to have a physical and strong forward in the wings but I find it strange that they cut him after 2 seasons. You really need at least 3 for a KPP to build the body. From the little I've seen his skills are easily above average for a big guy. 

[58er 6,816]

33 minutes ago, layzie said:

I don't mind the idea of Liam Mcmahon as a bit of a project. Ideally it would be good to have a physical and strong forward in the wings but I find it strange that they cut him after 2 seasons. You really need at least 3 for a KPP to build the body. From the little I've seen his skills are easily above average for a big guy. 

This is band Aid if it replaces the draft unless the player had something special

McMahon needs building up obviously but our draft choices are where our cream is to take and the mid or preseason drafts are ok for your choices. 

[Older demon 2,799]

2 hours ago, Lucifers Hero said:

Just to clarify.  I believe the rule is to use at least 3 picks at the National Draft.  However, that includes using a late pick to upgrade a rookie as we will this year for Chandler.  That could be our pick 86.

Clubs can delist as many as they want and 6-10 is not uncommon.

I suspect there are more changes to come.

Thanks Luci! I believe it is also possible to delist someone and then re  draft them as a rookie? Some of the club delistings ie McMahon at the Pies could be rocked at the same club

[Lucifers Hero 40,520]

16 minutes ago, Older demon said:

Thanks Luci! I believe it is also possible to delist someone and then re  draft them as a rookie? Some of the club delistings ie McMahon at the Pies could be rocked at the same club

I believe you are correct.

[Turner 1,516]

17 minutes ago, Older demon said:

Thanks Luci! I believe it is also possible to delist someone and then re  draft them as a rookie? Some of the club delistings ie McMahon at the Pies could be rocked at the same club

if that was the case they would've announced it at the time of delisting/left it till post trade period when they had some actual idea about their list size and where the free spaces were

[DeeSpencer 26,290]

1 hour ago, Older demon said:

Thanks Luci! I believe it is also possible to delist someone and then re  draft them as a rookie? Some of the club delistings ie McMahon at the Pies could be rocked at the same club

I don’t think you’d delist a player this early in the process if you wanted to commit to them as a rookie. Usually those delistings come later and/or with an announced caveat. Phil Davis got the delist but rookie announcement. 

[Travy14 2,032]

Callum Brown and Issac Chugg from Collingwood delisted and worth a look.

Brown has shown it at AFL level for periods and would be handy depth on the wing which is an area we are shallow in.

Chugg is similar type player too.  could be good cheap options

[old55 23,834]

4 hours ago, Turner said:

if that was the case they would've announced it at the time of delisting/left it till post trade period when they had some actual idea about their list size and where the free spaces were

 

2 hours ago, DeeSpencer said:

I don’t think you’d delist a player this early in the process if you wanted to commit to them as a rookie. Usually those delistings come later and/or with an announced caveat. Phil Davis got the delist but rookie announcement. 

Agree. Fraser Rosman is gone gone for example.

[Sydee 4,633]

31 minutes ago, Travy14 said:

Callum Brown and Issac Chugg from Collingwood delisted and worth a look.

Brown has shown it at AFL level for periods and would be handy depth on the wing which is an area we are shallow in.

Chugg is similar type player too.  could be good cheap options

Chugg sounds like he'd perform well on Mad Monday - pass on both for mine 

[Travy14 2,032]

24 minutes ago, Sydee said:

Chugg sounds like he'd perform well on Mad Monday - pass on both for mine 

haha, was very good in the VFL, purely as depth in position.  could even put them on the rookie list