On 13/08/2022 at 00:36, FritschyBusiness said:

Just off the top of my head

Bulldogs in 2016 only had Boyd

Hawks 2015  only had Roughhead.

HF: Jack Macrae, Zaine Cordy, Jake Stringer
F: Tory Dickson, Tom Boyd, Clay Smith
Fol: Jordan Roughead, Luke Dahlhaus, Tom Liberatore
Int: Toby McLean, Fletcher Roberts, Josh Dunkley, Caleb Daniel

Dogs had Boyd and Cordy and Stringer 192 cms and Dunkley 190 cms.

HF: Cyril Rioli, Ryan Schoenmakers, Isaac Smith
F: Luke Breust, Jarryd Roughead, Paul Puopolo
Foll: Ben McEvoy, Luke Hodge, Jordan Lewis
I/C: Matt Suckling, Taylor Duryea, David Hale, Jack Gunston

Hawks had Roughead, Schoenmakers, Gunston and Hale in their forward line.

BTW they also had some pretty good small forwards.

  On 13/08/2022 at 00:49, Redleg said:

HF: Jack Macrae, Zaine Cordy, Jake Stringer
F: Tory Dickson, Tom Boyd, Clay Smith
Fol: Jordan Roughead, Luke Dahlhaus, Tom Liberatore
Int: Toby McLean, Fletcher Roberts, Josh Dunkley, Caleb Daniel

Dogs had Boyd and Cordy and Stringer 192 cms and Dunkley 190 cms.

HF: Cyril Rioli, Ryan Schoenmakers, Isaac Smith
F: Luke Breust, Jarryd Roughead, Paul Puopolo
Foll: Ben McEvoy, Luke Hodge, Jordan Lewis
I/C: Matt Suckling, Taylor Duryea, David Hale, Jack Gunston

Hawks had Roughead, Schoenmakers, Gunston and Hale in their forward line.

BTW they also had some pretty good small forwards.

You'd probably take either of them right now.

  On 13/08/2022 at 00:34, Redleg said:

Can you name the last Premier who didn't have at least 2 reasonable tall key forwards.

Richmond 2017 only had Jack Riewoldt, and he's only 195cm. Lynch arrived the following year.

  On 13/08/2022 at 01:00, mo64 said:

Richmond 2017 only had Jack Riewoldt, and he's only 195cm. Lynch arrived the following year.

Yep you got me, that seems to be the outlier. They only played one ruckman as well.

 

Edited August 13, 20222 yr by Redleg

  On 13/08/2022 at 00:36, FritschyBusiness said:

Just off the top of my head

Bulldogs in 2016 only had Boyd

Hawks 2015  only had Roughhead.

Richmond before Lynch?

Who’s Fletcher Roberts?

As to whether any KPF wants to come to our club, it's not so much whether they see the club as a destination but more so if they're available and at what price?

For the player himself and the club that currently has possession of that player

As an example, would we entertain the thought of trading Ben Brown or T-Mac? (or both) I doubt it, even though both players are injury prone and are entering their 30's

We're looking for add-ons, better versions or replacements you'd reckon.  The draft means a fair wait ... sometimes at least 3 years.  Or we trade and almost certainly pay overs

That's the market and it's why Hogan just got recontracted (good on him) These players are in demand

We've got our fingers crossed with JVR but we need at least 1 more KPF to fill the ranks.  Same goes for ruckmen but we'll need at least 2 with the departure of Majak and with Jackson (?) being on the move

  On 13/08/2022 at 00:49, Redleg said:

HF: Jack Macrae, Zaine Cordy, Jake Stringer
F: Tory Dickson, Tom Boyd, Clay Smith
Fol: Jordan Roughead, Luke Dahlhaus, Tom Liberatore
Int: Toby McLean, Fletcher Roberts, Josh Dunkley, Caleb Daniel

Dogs had Boyd and Cordy and Stringer 192 cms and Dunkley 190 cms.

HF: Cyril Rioli, Ryan Schoenmakers, Isaac Smith
F: Luke Breust, Jarryd Roughead, Paul Puopolo
Foll: Ben McEvoy, Luke Hodge, Jordan Lewis
I/C: Matt Suckling, Taylor Duryea, David Hale, Jack Gunston

Hawks had Roughead, Schoenmakers, Gunston and Hale in their forward line.

BTW they also had some pretty good small forwards.

Out of all the names mentioned in those two teams I consider Roughhead the only genuine KPF on those lists.
 

  On 13/08/2022 at 01:30, Dee Zephyr said:

Who’s Fletcher Roberts?

An AFL Premiership player.

  On 13/08/2022 at 01:30, Dee Zephyr said:

Who’s Fletcher Roberts?

Yeah what the hell?

Isn’t it because Junction Oval is too small?

  On 13/08/2022 at 00:43, JimmyGadson said:

Great key forwards obviously help. Obviously. 

But we're a hybrid model. And if we're going to continue playing Brown, T Mac and Gawn then we need to change our smalls up. Simple as that. More dynamic players with real forward craft and an ability to kick goals.

 

Yes, I think great tall forwards are a luxury in todays game. Although 6-6-6 is changing that to some degree; they are dependent roles. Dependent on quick ball movement, kicks to ever decreasing space, and dependent on having teammates worth playing on otherwise you be double teamed and rendered ineffectual. 

The hybrid model is an interesting name for it; it’s just one less tall replaced for a medium player who can hit up and hit people up while also not being a problem when we are defending the ground. Melksham is a limited player in his last season most likely but has made a difference because he knows where to be and is a smart operator when given a negating role.

I think we have to freshen up that forward line a little next year and give it back a point of difference. It’s trying to be all things I feel - talls for slow play, a small distributor, a small speedy pressure player, a defensive run with midfield adjunct to help Petracca, etc. 

This is all eye of the beholder but I would de-emphasise talls for slow play, have Brown deeper, layer on help for Kozzie in the pressure department, and partner Fritsch with another lead up player to catch the eye of our mids. So this assumes we move it quickly and less to pockets and will put us more at risk of turnover and slingshot but we have a stable of Rolls Royce’s in the midfield - let’s see some revs. And I am assuming the bench is a flat 5 for the resting ruck to spend some time on the bench.

So moving Melksham, ANB, and some of the resting rucks time to accomodate the above. I would put ANB on the wing.

  On 13/08/2022 at 00:34, Redleg said:

Can you name the last Premier who didn't have at least 2 reasonable tall key forwards.

 

  On 13/08/2022 at 00:36, FritschyBusiness said:

Just off the top of my head

Bulldogs in 2016 only had Boyd

Hawks 2015  only had Roughhead.

And Richmond 2017 - only J.Riewoldt

It's probably our colours, understandably they all want to go to Hawthorn and Gold Coast.

  On 12/08/2022 at 14:07, ElDiablo14 said:

Would we take Max King ... Hard to say yes with his poor kick, it's worse than our own Max 

How about Ben King from the suns? He has fantastic upside.    A Jackson pick should get it done. 

  On 13/08/2022 at 08:30, Razor said:

How about Ben King from the suns? He has fantastic upside.    A Jackson pick should get it done. 

It would take all of what we get for Dogga to even have a chance of prying BK away from GC

Memo to Goodwin- for god sake, find a key forward that can mark. 💩Weid 🤡Brown are not the answer. And Mids who can setup a kick to a forward!!! 

  On 12/08/2022 at 23:40, Jontee said:

Max King is straight out of a Shakespearian Tragedy.  Still kicked 40+ goals though.

(if you want your son to be a good kick dont name them Max)

*Shankspearian Tragedy.

Realistically we cannot plan or depend on anything involving TMcD in 2022, which means we will have to make do with one flimsy tall and Frittata and or Melksham unless they choose to grit the teeth and throw in Joel Smith (if fitness allows) or, less likely, JVR. 

  On 14/08/2022 at 11:51, monoccular said:

Realistically we cannot plan or depend on anything involving TMcD in 2022, which means we will have to make do with one flimsy tall and Frittata and or Melksham unless they choose to grit the teeth and throw in Joel Smith (if fitness allows) or, less likely, JVR. 

JVR is not ready from what I have watched of him. He definitely has a competitive spirit in him but his physique is not AFL ready yet. That would be brutally exposed in a finals intensity game. 

He actually looks quite short as well, I’m not convinced he can be a KPF. Definitely a general forward, but he may need to play more of a roaming HF / wing type role IMV. 
 

Need one desperately and you’d hope we can pry someone in this years trade period.