CHANGES: Rd 20 vs Fremantle

[layzie 34,375]

3 hours ago, Lord Nev said:

Second hand info, but we'll lose a player to concussion protocols this week. Apologies, but can't say who at this stage (and won't be answering guesses), just know it's not a tall and not Trac or Clarry.

Injuries really hitting us atm, big few weeks for Selwyn, the medical team etc.

 

It's not Jordon from the massive falcon he copped?

[Gawndy the Great 9,011]

4 minutes ago, layzie said:

It's not Jordon from the massive falcon he copped?

I think that’s it. I can’t remember any other major incidents. I would have guessed big Maxy due to the knee in the head but it’s not a tall. 

[layzie 34,375]

Just now, CYB said:

I think that’s it. I can’t remember any other major incidents. I would have guessed big Maxy due to the knee in the head but it’s not a tall. 

I remember being shocked that he got straight back into it.

[Nascent 9,336]

52 minutes ago, Jaded No More said:

Wouldn’t they do a concussion test during the game tho? They seem to review every incident and pull players off as deemed necessary. 

I didn’t see anyone do the 20 minute protocol. So even if they passed initially a test would still have needed to be done. 
Could the concussion have happened at training? 

Could be from training.

It's also possible that whatever incident caused a delayed concussion simply escaped the attention of the medical team during the game. Something like a stray elbow at the bottom of a pack could easily go undetected, particularly if the player feels fine immediately afterwards and shows no signs of distress.

Guess we'll find out later in the week.

[Deemania since 56 6,772]

On 7/24/2022 at 9:24 PM, Boots and all said:

Would switching Hibbo onto a flank and Salem into the back pocket be sensible? We're not getting much drive from Salem at present.

YES,  thinking Salem as the sweeper & distributor, enabling more straight-line running and attacking from Hibbo against the opposition forwards. Hibbo is seldom beaten across a whole game - and this role is so natural to his game style. 

[spirit of norm smith 16,651]

6!changes this week 

radical but it’s not necessarily players in/out that will break us out of the slump 

Ins. 1- “winning the clearances” . The numbers don’t lie. We are being smashed in the contest and clearances work. So different to 2021. That’s bizarre considering our contested ball winning. Even with dominant ruckman we struggled. 
2- “tackles inside 50”. Last week … ZERO.  That’s unbelievable.  Yes we let the Bulldogs run it out far too easily. Forwards pressure was non existent. 
3- “marks inside 50”. Yes it’s that “connection” word again.  Long bombs that have 8 seconds hang time don’t work. “ “Hello Mcfly”.  It doesn’t always have to ge a contested mark. Practice more direct spear type entries. 
4- “overlap running and kicking”. It’s an old strategy.  Yes run past for a handball and then kick. Not just handballs to other players under pressure. Even look to use the corridor. It’s about confidence. Slow and wide is a cop out. 

5- a “kick in to create” opportunities. As we watch many other clubs get the kick in and create (aka pies last 28 second play)! 90% of our kick ins are to the big pack 55 metres out on the half back flank. Time after time. It’s so easy to shut down. Boring mediocrity in fact. 
6- “play out the full game”. First half leads have quickly dissolved in the 2nd half. And our last quarters v Freo v Swans v Pies v Cats v Dogs have been killers. Even port kicked the last 3 goals against us. Fitness? Or attitude. 
 

outs. 
1 - “stop the long bombs” to the forwards . We all know why! 

2- “stop sloppy handballs”’to players next to you under more pressure. It’s a stat. But useless!! Frustrating. Wheres the spread? 

3- stop the “near enough is good enough”. There’s no intensity in the sharp delivery or hitting a target.  Maybe we were #freed from desire and need to rekindle the eye of the tiger. Get hungry. Find the desire. 
4- “slow and wide and slow and turnovers”. We move it too slowly now. Kick it down the line to a contest pack. Let them setup. Helloooooo.  We are beating ourselves and other clubs are doing “Melbourne to us”.  Look at the GF 2nd half. Quick running and ball movement. And not always to the wings. Yes I love Lingers but he plays on the boundary line. On the knife edge.  He often runs out of space and it goes out of bounds. Or he kicks with only one option.  We need to play more in the corridor. Ask Lingers to walk 5 steps in. 
5- “stop kicking to the deep forward pocket”. It’s hard to score from even with a mark or crumb. It’s a defensive kick to the forwards. Why? We are the worst entry team imv. The defender just punches it over the line. FFS.

6-“stop letting opposition quarterbacks free”. Bailey Dale. Callum Mills. Jack Crisp.  Mitch Duncan. See the theme. Lock them down. Try Harmesy or ANB. Let them run and create at your peril. And we do !!!! (Hayden Young is Freo quarterback… lock him down and pressure pressure pressure him always) 

[dazzledavey36 55,983]

 

[Bitter but optimistic 22,289]

It might be time to take the punt and give JVR a go. With BBB under a cloud we can't be coming into September with only Weid as a tall forward.

[Demonland 73,834]

29 minutes ago, dazzledavey36 said:

 

It's JVR Time.

[dazzledavey36 55,983]

10 minutes ago, Bitter but optimistic said:

It might be time to take the punt and give JVR a go. With BBB under a cloud we can't be coming into September with only Weid as a tall forward.

I've been quite vocal for his inclusion for a few weeks now.

Now watch us select Mitch Brown for this weekend.

[Demonland 73,834]

12 minutes ago, dazzledavey36 said:

I've been quite vocal for his inclusion for a few weeks now.

Now watch us select Mitch Brown for this weekend.

Let JVR play in front of his family on his home deck.

[SPC 3,576]

Petty Forward, Weid out JVR in 

Chandler, Hunt in. Not sure who makes way. 

Salem HFF. 

[Deemania since 56 6,772]

16 minutes ago, Demonland said:

Let JVR play in front of his family on his home deck.

Agreed, almost too late to give him a taste. Conservatism means waste, in my book (particularly when a lesser player is drummed into the team repeatedly to 'gain experience' and 'match readiness'. Look at the photo of JVR - it's yelling at us: '...give me a go! I can manage this!) Hope he gets to play (not as a med sub only) to send a few messages to us all on his potential, and to send the apparent lame ducks a message on their performances. It's a hard message or two but a series of alternative selections have disappointed so many Dees' fans.

[waynewussell 6,922]

Lots of creative moves suggested here... the type we used to make when we were bottom 4. We scored 100 points last outing and led our opponents for most of the game. Lever comes in for Tomlinson, maybe Chandler into the 22. Weids kicked 3 good goals, can't see him being dropped.  

[Gouga 570]

7 minutes ago, Deemania since 56 said:

Agreed, almost too late to give him a taste. Conservatism means waste, in my book (particularly when a lesser player is drummed into the team repeatedly to 'gain experience' and 'match readiness'. Look at the photo of JVR - it's yelling at us: '...give me a go! I can manage this!) Hope he gets to play (not as a med sub only) to send a few messages to us all on his potential, and to send the apparent lame ducks a message on their performances. It's a hard message or two but a series of alternative selections have disappointed so many Dees' fans.

I think he plays. Bowey debuted in the same round last year... 

[picket fence 18,062]

Optus Oval was a BOG last week with suggestions aired that any player who gets injured because of an unsafe ground condition  could potentially sue the AFL!! Hnmm Interesting! If wet again that factor might play on who we do or don't select!

[spirit of norm smith 16,651]

2 hours ago, spirit of norm smith said:

6!changes this week 

radical but it’s not necessarily players in/out that will break us out of the slump 

Ins. 1- “winning the clearances” . The numbers don’t lie. We are being smashed in the contest and clearances work. So different to 2021. That’s bizarre considering our contested ball winning. Even with dominant ruckman we struggled. 
2- “tackles inside 50”. Last week … ZERO.  That’s unbelievable.  Yes we let the Bulldogs run it out far too easily. Forwards pressure was non existent. 
3- “marks inside 50”. Yes it’s that “connection” word again.  Long bombs that have 8 seconds hang time don’t work. “ “Hello Mcfly”.  It doesn’t always have to ge a contested mark. Practice more direct spear type entries. 
4- “overlap running and kicking”. It’s an old strategy.  Yes run past for a handball and then kick. Not just handballs to other players under pressure. Even look to use the corridor. It’s about confidence. Slow and wide is a cop out. 

5- a “kick in to create” opportunities. As we watch many other clubs get the kick in and create (aka pies last 28 second play)! 90% of our kick ins are to the big pack 55 metres out on the half back flank. Time after time. It’s so easy to shut down. Boring mediocrity in fact. 
6- “play out the full game”. First half leads have quickly dissolved in the 2nd half. And our last quarters v Freo v Swans v Pies v Cats v Dogs have been killers. Even port kicked the last 3 goals against us. Fitness? Or attitude. 
 

outs. 
1 - “stop the long bombs” to the forwards . We all know why! 

2- “stop sloppy handballs”’to players next to you under more pressure. It’s a stat. But useless!! Frustrating. Wheres the spread? 

3- stop the “near enough is good enough”. There’s no intensity in the sharp delivery or hitting a target.  Maybe we were #freed from desire and need to rekindle the eye of the tiger. Get hungry. Find the desire. 
4- “slow and wide and slow and turnovers”. We move it too slowly now. Kick it down the line to a contest pack. Let them setup. Helloooooo.  We are beating ourselves and other clubs are doing “Melbourne to us”.  Look at the GF 2nd half. Quick running and ball movement. And not always to the wings. Yes I love Lingers but he plays on the boundary line. On the knife edge.  He often runs out of space and it goes out of bounds. Or he kicks with only one option.  We need to play more in the corridor. Ask Lingers to walk 5 steps in. 
5- “stop kicking to the deep forward pocket”. It’s hard to score from even with a mark or crumb. It’s a defensive kick to the forwards. Why? We are the worst entry team imv. The defender just punches it over the line. FFS.

6-“stop letting opposition quarterbacks free”. Bailey Dale. Callum Mills. Jack Crisp.  Mitch Duncan. See the theme. Lock them down. Try Harmesy or ANB. Let them run and create at your peril. And we do !!!! (Hayden Young is Freo quarterback… lock him down and pressure pressure pressure him always) 

Actually. 
In. Lever. Chandler 

outs. Tomlinson (very very unlucky) Spargo/Melksham 

[jnrmac 20,302]

We got smashed last time in the air Cant let that happen again.

Logue went to May and then Lever concussed May. That upset our balance.

Freo kicked 10 goals straight to pulverise us in the second half on our home deck.

We were beaten in the clearances by 10 and marks 130 to 74. Contested marks 10 to their 17.

Petracca had 10 disposals, BBB 2!

 

Time to stand up

 

 

[1964_2 2,357]

3 hours ago, spirit of norm smith said:

6!changes this week 

radical but it’s not necessarily players in/out that will break us out of the slump 

Ins. 1- “winning the clearances” . The numbers don’t lie. We are being smashed in the contest and clearances work. So different to 2021. That’s bizarre considering our contested ball winning. Even with dominant ruckman we struggled. 
2- “tackles inside 50”. Last week … ZERO.  That’s unbelievable.  Yes we let the Bulldogs run it out far too easily. Forwards pressure was non existent. 
3- “marks inside 50”. Yes it’s that “connection” word again.  Long bombs that have 8 seconds hang time don’t work. “ “Hello Mcfly”.  It doesn’t always have to ge a contested mark. Practice more direct spear type entries. 
4- “overlap running and kicking”. It’s an old strategy.  Yes run past for a handball and then kick. Not just handballs to other players under pressure. Even look to use the corridor. It’s about confidence. Slow and wide is a cop out. 

5- a “kick in to create” opportunities. As we watch many other clubs get the kick in and create (aka pies last 28 second play)! 90% of our kick ins are to the big pack 55 metres out on the half back flank. Time after time. It’s so easy to shut down. Boring mediocrity in fact. 
6- “play out the full game”. First half leads have quickly dissolved in the 2nd half. And our last quarters v Freo v Swans v Pies v Cats v Dogs have been killers. Even port kicked the last 3 goals against us. Fitness? Or attitude. 
 

outs. 
1 - “stop the long bombs” to the forwards . We all know why! 

2- “stop sloppy handballs”’to players next to you under more pressure. It’s a stat. But useless!! Frustrating. Wheres the spread? 

3- stop the “near enough is good enough”. There’s no intensity in the sharp delivery or hitting a target.  Maybe we were #freed from desire and need to rekindle the eye of the tiger. Get hungry. Find the desire. 
4- “slow and wide and slow and turnovers”. We move it too slowly now. Kick it down the line to a contest pack. Let them setup. Helloooooo.  We are beating ourselves and other clubs are doing “Melbourne to us”.  Look at the GF 2nd half. Quick running and ball movement. And not always to the wings. Yes I love Lingers but he plays on the boundary line. On the knife edge.  He often runs out of space and it goes out of bounds. Or he kicks with only one option.  We need to play more in the corridor. Ask Lingers to walk 5 steps in. 
5- “stop kicking to the deep forward pocket”. It’s hard to score from even with a mark or crumb. It’s a defensive kick to the forwards. Why? We are the worst entry team imv. The defender just punches it over the line. FFS.

6-“stop letting opposition quarterbacks free”. Bailey Dale. Callum Mills. Jack Crisp.  Mitch Duncan. See the theme. Lock them down. Try Harmesy or ANB. Let them run and create at your peril. And we do !!!! (Hayden Young is Freo quarterback… lock him down and pressure pressure pressure him always) 

7. Stop getting complacent and lazy when 25 points up. When 25 points up, double it. 

[binman 44,683]

Ouch, BB out is a blow

[1964_2 2,357]

2 minutes ago, binman said:

Ouch, BB out is a blow

Or an opportunity.

surely Petty forward, and/or JVR in? 

[Adam The God 30,644]

I'd actually go Gus back to the wing, bring Bowey in, JJ goes out, Lever comes in for Tomlinson, Chandler or Bedford comes in for Melksham. Or, JVR comes in for Melksham and Chandler/Bedford to the sub.

Edited July 26, 2022 by A F
Brown info.

[Jaded No More 68,976]

2 hours ago, Demonland said:

Let JVR play in front of his family on his home deck.

So he realises how home sick he is? No thanks

 

*I kid

[spirit of norm smith 16,651]

11 minutes ago, A F said:

I'd actually go Gus back to the wing, bring Bowey in, JJ goes out, Lever comes in for Tomlinson, Chandler or Bedford comes in for Melksham. Or, JVR comes in for Melksham and Chandler/Bedford to the sub.

Not sure Bowey is the answer. Looked decidedly (uncharacteristically) uncertain with the footy in the last few rounds. Was physically pushed aside too easily.  Still only 19yo. Salem has to be the quarterback and actually hit targets , not bombs !!! 

[spirit of norm smith 16,651]

46 minutes ago, 1964_2 said:

7. Stop getting complacent and lazy when 25 points up. When 25 points up, double it. 

Love it. Agreed.