2 hours ago, von said:

I’m just not sure why footballers owe us, the irrational and emotional supporters anything. The club and the league don’t show players loyalty, why do we expect it back. They are their own business/brand acting in a way that fits that description. In the world of modern sport the loyal athlete is the exception and the surprise. Him leaving doesn’t knock his integrity, it may create more and or better stories and relationships for himself, only he can figure that out. The future is unwritten. My values lie much closer to yours than what I am suggesting a modern athletes does but I am not an athlete with a short shelf life. It’s also easier to hold those values higher when you’ve lived a longer life, accumulated more wealth and had those experiences that get you to the well rounded place you find yourself. He is in his mid 20s with a brain that only just matured and took a hell of a beating along the way and is on his way to those experiences. We are irrational, emotional football supporters freaking out that we may not go back to back. I think he stays but if he doesn’t we will fall in love with the next guy.

Nice reply von - super classy. For many people, footy gives colour to our lives. And these dudes are the lead actors in that. Hence the emotion - and these players are very well aware of the significance and importance of that. They grew up supporting clubs too. It’s not an entirely mutual or fair contract. But there’s heaps of upside to them too in this footy arrangement, not necessarily all financial.

Let’s hope Brayshaw and Jackson commit to the cause, and for the right reasons.

If they don’t, in Jason Taylor I trust. I reckon we’ll be okay.

As an aside, I just watched the documentary on Sir Alex Ferguson - I used to hate the guy, that is - until I watched this movie. His son interviewed him. Sport is important - it’s not just a job. It’s a religion.

God bless the Dees.

1 hour ago, Hannibal Inc. said:

Notionally, I'm not overly fussed if Brayshaw leaves, although I don't think he will.  He's never finished top 5 in our B&F and in terms of importance I wouldn't have him in our top ten players.  I rank him about twelth.  For me, he's behind Gawn, Oliver, Petracca, May, Lever, Fritsch, Salem, Viney, Langdon, Pickett, Jackson, and Petty (not in order).

He's a solid B grader, maybe B+.  He has no dash and doesn't create, but he's terribly brave, smart, and reliable.  Unlike DSpencer, I think his kicking off both feet has been very good this year.

I'd rather he stay because we won't get commensurate value if he leaves. 

I attended a Q&A night with Brendan McCartney a few years back and he was no fan of Angus and was very unsure if the ''penny would ever drop''.  He was questioning his maturity.  Clearly it has and Gus has become a much-loved member of the footy club and also a leader.

The fact that he's a Melbourne premiership player is also important to me.

From a playing perspective I won't be too perturbed if he departs, but from a cultural aspect I hope and suspect he stays.

I think the penny finally dropped for him early last year when he was asked if he wanted to play in the midfield or in finals. I would be interested to see if this newfound 'role player' could translate into the midfield in the form of a two-way running, tackler who is happy dishing off to a player in a better position. Those qualities were absent from his midfield game in the past. Having said that, I'm happy for him to continue his excellent role in the back line or wherever he is required. Happy to acknowledge there is proven midfield quality there.

IMO it would be highly inappropriate and unprofessional for Hamish to reveal this level of detail about Gus without it having an element of pot stiring or perhaps with a wry smile towards the AFL media. Would be worse if Gus agreed for him to speculate seriously about his playing position or financials. Every AFL coach would cringe at that if it were totally serious

One thing is certain, if Gus does leave there will be a lot of tears on this thread!

 

Edited July 27, 20223 yr by Stiff Arm

Yeah enough unnecessary potting of our currently contracted players.

It's egregious, preposterous, outrageous.

Times are good at MFC in some ways, when,  for now, we can warmly talk about our agreeable players with fond memories and future dally.

Andrew > Angus

21 minutes ago, layzie said:

Yeah enough unnecessary potting of our currently contracted players.

It's egregious, preposterous, outrageous.

Thanks Jackie Chiles. Is he acting as Gus' player agent?

15 minutes ago, mo64 said:

Thanks Jackie Chiles. Is he acting as Gus' player agent?

Glad someone got it mo64!

1 hour ago, Ron Burgundy said:

Nice reply von - super classy. For many people, footy gives colour to our lives. And these dudes are the lead actors in that. Hence the emotion - and these players are very well aware of the significance and importance of that. They grew up supporting clubs too. It’s not an entirely mutual or fair contract. But there’s heaps of upside to them too in this footy arrangement, not necessarily all financial.

Let’s hope Brayshaw and Jackson commit to the cause, and for the right reasons.

If they don’t, in Jason Taylor I trust. I reckon we’ll be okay.

As an aside, I just watched the documentary on Sir Alex Ferguson - I used to hate the guy, that is - until I watched this movie. His son interviewed him. Sport is important - it’s not just a job. It’s a religion.

God bless the Dees.

I find it difficult to think the Brayshaw that gave this interview with Garry Lyon after the Grand Final is holding out for money or looking elsewhere to play midfield minutes (particularly at 2mins in).

It's our club Gus.

1 hour ago, layzie said:

Yeah enough unnecessary potting of our currently contracted players.

It's egregious, preposterous, outrageous.

1 minute ago, Dr. Gonzo said:

I find it difficult to think the Brayshaw that gave this interview with Garry Lyon after the Grand Final is holding out for money or looking elsewhere to play midfield minutes (particularly at 2mins in).

It's our club Gus.

Yeah bit hard to take but it's all flip flap at the end of the day in this business.

11 minutes ago, Dr. Gonzo said:

I find it difficult to think the Brayshaw that gave this interview with Garry Lyon after the Grand Final is holding out for money or looking elsewhere to play midfield minutes (particularly at 2mins in).

It's our club Gus.

Yeah, and the same bloke who has parents that take in players every year too. I think that's why there is such an emotional reaction on this thread

Just now, DemonWA said:

Yeah, and the same bloke who has parents that take in players every year too. I think that's why there is such an emotional reaction on this thread

Yeah it's not so much being upset it's just hard to reconcile. He would be the last one I would've thought would be holding out but there you go.

16 minutes ago, Dr. Gonzo said:

Yeah it's not so much being upset it's just hard to reconcile. He would be the last one I would've thought would be holding out but there you go.

Indeed. I can only presume he expected a long/lucrative offer after a premiership year and our original offer was lower/shorter than he thinks is reasonable. It's the only way that he goes from that interview to assessing his options imo

Edited July 27, 20223 yr by DemonWA
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17 minutes ago, Dr. Gonzo said:

Yeah it's not so much being upset it's just hard to reconcile. He would be the last one I would've thought would be holding out but there you go.

Not if the money we are offering is in the lowball area, Gonzo.  I'm not saying we are lowballing Brayshaw by the way, but it's a possibility

The offer on the table from our club might be seen by Gus and/or his management as unders

Exploring what the market is for a free agent like Gus is due diligence and has to be an expectation.  The club would be expecting that to happen as well.  It's pro sports

And then an offer (or 2) elsewhere could be quite substantial.  Money talks and loyalty has an end point

It must be remembered that a lot of the other teams haven't got all that many good players and they all want to get into contention and they all want to win

So they need talent and are prepared to pay overs for that talent.  Stands to reason

We've done it ourselves (over the years) in order to be a better team

 

Edited July 27, 20223 yr by Macca

Length of contract might be an issue too

There's a big difference between $4Million over 5 years as opposed to $1.8Million over 3 years

Secured & guaranteed income extending to five years is very appealing

14 hours ago, DemonOX said:

Like Howe going to collywobbles as a forward. Laughable. 

Anyone else bothered that Howe left us to play forward cos Roos was playing him in defence, he gets to the pies and Buckley gives him a pre-season up forward, moves him back mid season and all of a sudden it was a Buckley masterstroke?

2 minutes ago, Macca said:

Length of contract might be an issue too

There's a big difference between $4Million over 5 years as opposed to $1.8Million over 3 years

Secured & guaranteed income extending to five years is very appealing

I am assuming Brayshaw’s management & MFC are hanging on Jackson’s decision. If Jackson goes there is more MFC can offer if the want to in $ and length of contract. The AFL tradition of players not announcing mid season that their off to a new club, unlike the NRL, is stalling negotiations. I think Brayshaw wants to stay and LJ wants to go back home but it won’t be resolved til season end. 

Everybody relax. We’ve got this 😉

2 minutes ago, Earl Hood said:

I am assuming Brayshaw’s management & MFC are hanging on Jackson’s decision. If Jackson goes there is more MFC can offer if the want to in $ and length of contract. The AFL tradition of players not announcing mid season that their off to a new club, unlike the NRL, is stalling negotiations. I think Brayshaw wants to stay and LJ wants to go back home but it won’t be resolved til season end. 

As LH pointed out, Viney didn't re-sign until very late (after the season?) so we could assume that he was also exploring free agency

It's pro sports and in other countries all this waiting around is quite normal

On 7/25/2022 at 1:32 PM, Dwight Schrute said:

Has re-signed apparently. Manager flew to Melbourne to officially sign off. Rumours he will announce on Gus and gawny which is hilarious. 

I’ve now seen multiple people I trust hearing this so very confident 

You might be onto something Dwight. I believe you. 

11 hours ago, Dr. Gonzo said:

I find it difficult to think the Brayshaw that gave this interview with Garry Lyon after the Grand Final is holding out for money or looking elsewhere to play midfield minutes (particularly at 2mins in).

It's our club Gus.

Beware what’s said during the post-coital cigarette (?)

edit: I take it back!!! He’s just signed!!!!!❤️💙

Edited July 28, 20223 yr by WalkingCivilWar

Signed ! 

On 7/26/2022 at 9:53 AM, Megatron said:

Am I the only one that isn’t concerned about the interview? 
I thought he was pretty positive. He stated the really enjoys playing off the half back flanker, loves the playing group. It’s the biggest decision in his playing career and he just wants to make sure he’s covering all bases before he commits. 

Done deal - 6 years.  Just announced

18 hours ago, A F said:

I don't want to lose Gus either