Skip to content
View in the app

A better way to browse. Learn more.
Demonland

A full-screen app on your home screen with push notifications, badges and more.

To install this app on iOS and iPadOS
  1. Tap the Share icon in Safari
  2. Scroll the menu and tap Add to Home Screen.
  3. Tap Add in the top-right corner.
To install this app on Android
  1. Tap the 3-dot menu (⋮) in the top-right corner of the browser.
  2. Tap Add to Home screen or Install app.
  3. Confirm by tapping Install.

Caroline Wilson, Sam McClure issue apologies over Crows camp saga

dazzledavey36
in Melbourne Demons

Featured Replies

Not really Melbourne related, but it's interesting seeing this unfold.

Ex-Crows footy boss ‘vindicated’ by infamous camp verdict

Sam McClure and Caro have had to issue an apology to the Collective Minds group over the whole camp fiasco.

What raised my eyebrows was this was mentioned in the full statement.

"In 2018 former Port Adelaide head coach Mark Williams publicly stated a number of outlandish claims he asserted were facts. These were a key trigger in the AFL Integrity Unit investigation and have since been proven to be wrong by the AFL Integrity Unit and Safework SA."

  • Quote
    • Shocked 1
    • Demonland changed the title to Caroline Wilson, Sam McClure issue apologies over Crows camp saga
     

    The apology says in part,

    "If the publications were taken to suggest otherwise, Nine withdraws that suggestion. Nine apologises and expresses regret if the publications caused hurt and offence to Mr Woulfe, Mr Leddie and Collective Mind."

    There is also similar wording replacing "Nine" with "The Age" (which Nine, the company) owns.

    I'm surprised the injured parties accepted that wording. It's not really an apology at all. Why have Nine and The Age been allowed to get away with including the phrase "if the publications caused hurt"? Of course they did - that's why the apology was sought in the first place. 

    If a footballer had said that after breaking someone else's jaw behind play, journos would be the first to criticise the player for qualifying it with that mealy-mouthed expression.

  • Quote
    • Like 3

    Without being able to read the whole story, it does seem like Choco has either gone off half cocked or is unable to prove what he said was true.

    With that said, the onus is on the journalists to get two sources for every allegation/story. They haven't done this.

    From a PR perspective, I mentioned last year that Pert placed a media ban on Choco. Maybe this is the reason.

  • Quote
    •  
    • Author
    1 minute ago, dee-tox said:

    Without being able to read the whole story, it does seem like Choco has either gone off half cocked or is unable to prove what he said was true.

    With that said, the onus is on the journalists to get two sources for every allegation/story. They haven't done this.

    From a PR perspective, I mentioned last year that Pert placed a media ban on Choco. Maybe this is the reason.

    Is this actually legit?

  • Quote
    • Shocked 1

    • Author
    11 minutes ago, dee-tox said:

    Absolutely. 

    Yeah okay. 

    I remember Mark Williams did the SEN interview last year which was actually great to listen too.

    I know Choco can say stuff that can divide opinions, but personally I wish we could hear more from a football perspective. 

  • Quote
    • Like 3
    36 minutes ago, La Dee-vina Comedia said:

    The apology says in part,

    "If the publications were taken to suggest otherwise, Nine withdraws that suggestion. Nine apologises and expresses regret if the publications caused hurt and offence to Mr Woulfe, Mr Leddie and Collective Mind."

    There is also similar wording replacing "Nine" with "The Age" (which Nine, the company) owns.

    I'm surprised the injured parties accepted that wording. It's not really an apology at all. Why have Nine and The Age been allowed to get away with including the phrase "if the publications caused hurt"? Of course they did - that's why the apology was sought in the first place. 

    If a footballer had said that after breaking someone else's jaw behind play, journos would be the first to criticise the player for qualifying it with that mealy-mouthed expression.

    They could ask for a better apology.

    Or someone at the Age could ring up Eddie Betts or Charlie Cameron and ask them about the camp again.

     

  • Quote
    • Like 3
    53 minutes ago, La Dee-vina Comedia said:

    The apology says in part,

    "If the publications were taken to suggest otherwise, Nine withdraws that suggestion. Nine apologises and expresses regret if the publications caused hurt and offence to Mr Woulfe, Mr Leddie and Collective Mind."

    There is also similar wording replacing "Nine" with "The Age" (which Nine, the company) owns.

    I'm surprised the injured parties accepted that wording. It's not really an apology at all. Why have Nine and The Age been allowed to get away with including the phrase "if the publications caused hurt"? Of course they did - that's why the apology was sought in the first place. 

    If a footballer had said that after breaking someone else's jaw behind play, journos would be the first to criticise the player for qualifying it with that mealy-mouthed expression.

    This is the current standard political apology coming from governments.  If you say "I apologise if you are offended" with the implication that no reasonable person would be offended, you can appear to be apologising and can't be proved to be not apoogising.  I'd reject any apology with this qualification was insincere.

  • Quote
    • Like 5
     

    The apology one make when one doesn’t want any legal ramifications for apologizing….

  • Quote
    • Like 1

    the comments were made in 2018 and the apology given in 2022 .it is reasonable to postulate that the apology formed part of settlement terms of a defamation action brought by members of the  Crows hierarchy  and/or Collective Minds .

  • Quote
    • Like 2
    4 hours ago, DeeSpencer said:

    They could ask for a better apology.

    Or someone at the Age could ring up Eddie Betts or Charlie Cameron and ask them about the camp again.

     

    Exactly - the apology is issued only because Safework SA found no evidence of breaches of OH&S laws - this doesn't mean that there wasn't significant fallout from the camp among the players.

  • Quote
    • Like 1
    4 hours ago, La Dee-vina Comedia said:

    The apology says in part,

    "If the publications were taken to suggest otherwise, Nine withdraws that suggestion. Nine apologises and expresses regret if the publications caused hurt and offence to Mr Woulfe, Mr Leddie and Collective Mind."

    There is also similar wording replacing "Nine" with "The Age" (which Nine, the company) owns.

    I'm surprised the injured parties accepted that wording. It's not really an apology at all. Why have Nine and The Age been allowed to get away with including the phrase "if the publications caused hurt"? Of course they did - that's why the apology was sought in the first place. 

    If a footballer had said that after breaking someone else's jaw behind play, journos would be the first to criticise the player for qualifying it with that mealy-mouthed expression.

    From what I understand, the wording of these apologies is determined as part of the legal proceedings or negotiated through legal parties afterwards, and when you see these kind of 'I'm sorry if it was taken a particular way...' apologies; I think that gives you an insight into how strong (or otherwise) the case against the journos was.

    It's very different to breaking someone's jaw, so perhaps not the best analogy there.

     

  • Quote
    8 hours ago, dee-tox said:

    From a PR perspective, I mentioned last year that Pert placed a media ban on Choco. Maybe this is the reason.

    BS

  • Quote
    • Like 1

    21 hours ago, dee-tox said:

     

    From a PR perspective, I mentioned last year that Pert placed a media ban on Choco. Maybe this is the reason.

    Hang on! What?! Really?

    That's a bit disappointing. I was looking forward to hearing more interviews by Mark "Choco" Williams regarding his contribution as Head of Development for the MFC. How he was going with developing our young recruits.

    I also had my hopes up that @Demonlandmight be fortunate enough to try and get Mark "Choco" Williams on the Demonland podcast this year.

  • Quote
    On 2/4/2022 at 4:01 PM, La Dee-vina Comedia said:

    This is the picture of Sam McClure in "The Australian" story (online version). I think he owes us all an apology for that haircut.

    bdfc70efff88e1ec1be1631d79d50d4c

    He'll look back in 30 years and wonder . . . what was I thinking?

  • Quote
    • Like 2
    22 hours ago, Supreme_Demon said:

    Hang on! What?! Really?

    That's a bit disappointing. I was looking forward to hearing more interviews by Mark "Choco" Williams regarding his contribution as Head of Development for the MFC. How he was going with developing our young recruits.

    I also had my hopes up that @Demonlandmight be fortunate enough to try and get Mark "Choco" Williams on the Demonland podcast this year.

    He was on the BUrgo podcast after the GF and pretty sure I heard him on another one too (Deebrief?)

  • Quote
    • Like 1

    Join the conversation

    You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.

    Guest
    Unfortunately, your content contains terms that we do not allow. Please edit your content to remove the highlighted words below.
    Reply to this topic...
    Go to topic listing

    Featured Content

    • CASEY: Box Hill

      The Casey Demons secured their first win of the season by the narrow margin of four points against the Box Hill Hawks at Casey Fields on Easter Sunday morning.

      • 0 replies
      Demonland

    • POSTGAME: Gold Coast

      The Demons put four quarters of hard contested, fast running and high pressure football to knock off the ladder leaders and early premiership contenders the Gold Suns by 20 points at the MCG on Easter Sunday.

        • Clap
        • Love
        • Like
      • 443 replies
      Demonland

    • PODCAST: Gold Coast

      I’ll be away for the next few weeks, so Binman will be holding the fort for our podcasts covering the Suns, Bombers and Lions matches. As a result, there will be no live podcasts during this period, and we won’t be taking calls or voicemails. Binman will still be dipping into this thread to select a few questions to answer, while also combining the long-form Stats Files podcast with the Demonland Podcast for these shows. Your questions and comments are a huge part of what makes the podcast work, so please post anything you’d like to ask or say below and we’ll do our best to give you a shout-out on the show. Please try to keep each post focused on one specific topic or player to make podcast preparation a little easier. If you have multiple topics you’d like to raise, please put them in separate posts.

      • 16 replies
      Demonland

    • VOTES: Gold Coast

      Dual Reigning Champion Max Gawn has an early lead in the Demonland Player of the Year Award. He leads new recruit Jack Steele, forward Jacob van Rooyen and veteran Christian Salem. Your votes please. 6, 5, 4, 3, 2, & 1.

        • Thanks
      • 64 replies
      Demonland

    • GAMEDAY: Gold Coast

      It's Game Day and the Demons are back at the MCG and have a massive challenge ahead of them as they take on Premiership contender the Gold Coast Suns. What do you want to see from the Dees today?

        • Thanks
        • Like
      • 431 replies
      Demonland

    • PREVIEW: Gold Coast

      Melbourne’s slow starts have been a troubling theme for a while. Against the Suns, they started slowly in both of their games, they trailed by 5.7.37 to 0.1.1 at quarter time at Peoples First Stadium in Round 16. This season, the story has remained the same and if the Demons fail to shake off this issue against the unbeaten Gold Coast Suns, they will be in serious danger of capitulating once again in their Easter Sunday showdown.

        • Love
      • 10 replies
      Demonland
    View All

    Account

    Navigation

    Search

    Search

    Configure browser push notifications
    Chrome (Android)
    1. Tap the lock icon next to the address bar.
    2. Tap Permissions → Notifications.
    3. Adjust your preference.
    Chrome (Desktop)
    1. Click the padlock icon in the address bar.
    2. Select Site settings.
    3. Find Notifications and adjust your preference.