2021 Phantom Draft

[Pennant St Dee 13,173]

21 hours ago, Nascent said:

For those interested the Afl website with Cal Twomey, Kevin Sheehan and Nat Edwards have just put up a 1st round mock draft based on needs in their latest draft podcast.

https://www.afl.com.au/news/687117/road-to-the-draft-podcast-2021-mock-draft

For those that don't want to listen to the 40 odd minute podcast, these were the picks.

1. North - JHF

2. Collingwood - Daicos (matched bid)

3. Bulldogs - Darcy (matched bid)

4. GWS - Gibcus

5. GC - Callaghan 

6. Adelaide - Rachelle

7. Hawthorn - Ward

8. Freemantle - Hobbs

9. Richmond - Erasmus

10. Freemantle - Amiss

11. St Kilda - Mac Andrew

12. West Coast - NWM

13. Essendon - Johnson

14. Port - Sinn

15. GWS - Goater

16. Brisbane - Wilmot

17. Richmond - Van Rooyen

18. GWS - Fahey (matched bid)

19. Sydney - Brown

20. Melbourne - Howes

21. Brisbane - Chesser

Can’t see Freo not taking Erasmus or Amiss with their first pick

[IvanBartul13 2,564]

3 hours ago, spirit of norm smith said:

Tyler Sonsie not in the top 21. (?) He’s a talented young midfielder. Saw him in VFL game for box hill Hawks v Werribee and he was a standout.   Thought he was top 8-12 quality in this draft.  

Have you recalibrated where youre expecting Cody Raak, Kobi George and Max Pescud to go?

[The Riv 55]

41 minutes ago, IvanBartul13 said:

Have you recalibrated where youre expecting Cody Raak, Kobi George and Max Pescud to go?

Shhh! We're still keeping Kobi George under wraps....

[adonski 12,132]

You [censored]s are obsessed 

[IvanBartul13 2,564]

48 minutes ago, The Riv said:

Shhh! We're still keeping Kobi George under wraps....

Hopefully, the kid never read it!  🙏 

[Sydney_Demon 1,175]

On 10/14/2021 at 9:57 AM, MadAsHell said:

All reports from media seem to suggest that they want to publicity of having the actual Number 1 pick. Sad state of affairs if true.

Personally I think teams should only bid according to how they rate the player and how he fits their needs. If North think Horne-Francis is the best player for their purposes they should take him at No. 1 (assuming of course he wants to be taken at No. 1 rather than 2 or 3). 

[Sydney_Demon 1,175]

On 10/14/2021 at 3:59 PM, Wrecker46 said:

Tom Boyd is a premiership player who in my opinion should have won the Norm Smith that day.

I will always love Jack Watts but he was taken at a time our culture wasn't right.

Petracca was taken at number 2 and Brayshaw at number 3.

I don't think if either were taken at number 1 it would have affected how they went about this year or on grand final day.

 

Thank God St Kilda took Paddy McCartin an No. 1 ahead of Christian Petracca in 2014. Thank God also that the Swans matched Melbourne's bid on Callum Mills at No. 3 in 2015. Mills is a good player but we got Clayton Oliver instead!  

[Sydney_Demon 1,175]

On 11/3/2021 at 7:50 PM, BAMF said:

If Andrew is available at 17 I would say [censored] it and gamble that he lasts till 20.

Pick up another good kid and then match on Andrew.

The only reason I was big on getting Andrew earlier in the year is because we didn't have a first round pick and would be able to match a bid after 20.

I would prefer to pick up a mid or KPF with pick 17.

There's no way known Andrew is going to last til our pick at 19. He's going to go 8 or 9 at worst. I'm glad we're now late in the first round because someone is going to slip through who should have been taken earlier that we can grab. I assume the Club has their eye on someone they expect to be available.  Can't see Josh Sinn lasting til 19, but maybe Sonsie and probably Chesser. Van Rooyen would be a great choice also if available. If all our choices at this level are gone the club could always trade lower.    

[Supreme_Demon 3,849]

I think that the top 10 picks are pretty much set for the 2021 AFL National Draft.

I have come to the conclusion that I will be happy with any highly talented player within the top 20 to top 25.

If we somehow fluke a player from within the top 15 then we should all be very pleased.

We should all have faith in Jason Taylor getting the job done!

[Nascent 9,212]

On 11/11/2021 at 1:15 PM, Pennant St Dee said:

Can’t see Freo not taking Erasmus or Amiss with their first pick

Agreed, I do find it curious though that Johnson is never linked with either of freos picks despite being constantly predicted to go in that mid section of the first round.

[Pennant St Dee 13,173]

On 11/13/2021 at 4:37 PM, Nascent said:

Agreed, I do find it curious though that Johnson is never linked with either of freos picks despite being constantly predicted to go in that mid section of the first round.

Yes especially with Cerra having moved on. Personally I think the difference is they are still looking for that key forward which is why they are leaning towards Amiss. Erasmus impacts the scoreboard more than Johnson or IMO that is why the phantom drafts are compiled that way.

Alternatively do they take both Erasmus and Johnson with those picks and use pick 20 to take a tall in Van Rooyen or Williams. Although if he’s available with our first pick can’t see us not taking Can Rooyen 

Edited November 15, 2021 by Pennant St Dee

[Demon Disciple 12,124]

I’d take Erasmus and Amiss if I were Freo.

[Turner 1,514]

9 minutes ago, Demon Disciple said:

I’d take Erasmus and Amiss if I were Freo.

i think they need to get in on amiss before the tigers as young talls are surely high or their needs list whereas the tigers are likely to have a slightly different order of priorities in the smaller player market so if amiss is off the board at freos first pick erasmus is more likely to get through to their second pick rather than if they take erasmus first amiss is the obvious tall to take next up for richmond

[Deemania since 56 6,636]

On 11/11/2021 at 9:13 PM, Sydney_Demon said:

Thank God St Kilda took Paddy McCartin an No. 1 ahead of Christian Petracca in 2014. Thank God also that the Swans matched Melbourne's bid on Callum Mills at No. 3 in 2015. Mills is a good player but we got Clayton Oliver instead!  

At the time, both 'slip-aways' to the Saints instead of the Demons were great reliefs. We got the chocolates, as a consequence; and, it was pretty obvious that the Sainter recruiters had virtually no idea with player selections or assessments. 

 

[Supreme_Demon 3,849]

So far the Phantom Drafts are saying the following for the Demons Pick 17 (which will become Pick 19) in the 2021 AFL National Draft.

Here are the 14 possibilities that have been thrown about for our pick.

1) Darcy Wilmot

2) Mitch Owens

3) Jacob Van Rooyen

4) Tyler Sonsie

5) Sam Butler

6) Josh Goater

7) Campbell Chesser

8) Matthew Roberts

9) Mitch Knevitt

10) Josh Sinn

11) Judson Clarke

12) Blake Howes

13) Ned Long

14) Zac Taylor

 

As for the who Demons ideally want to pick only Jason Taylor will know... 🤷‍♂️

[Nascent 9,212]

9 hours ago, Pennant St Dee said:

Yes especially with Cerra having moved on. Personally I think the difference is they are still looking for that key forward which is why they are leaning towards Amiss. Erasmus impacts the scoreboard more than Johnson or IMO that is why the phantom drafts are compiled that way.

Alternatively do they take both Erasmus and Johnson with those picks and use pick 20 to take a tall in Van Rooyen or Williams. Although if he’s available with our first pick can’t see us not taking Can Rooyen 

Do you prefer Van Rooyen forward or back?

[Pennant St Dee 13,173]

2 hours ago, Nascent said:

Do you prefer Van Rooyen forward or back?

I like him as a defender because he has great footy IQ and good foot skills for a big player. He will be a very good defender.

However I also think his ceiling could be extremely high as a forward, where he is still raw but the talent is there and he has the workrate

[manny100 1,556]

If we have to use pick 57 plus change for Woey that leaves us with picks 17, 37 and 49.

Pick 37 = 704 points, Pick 49 = 504 points. Combined = 1208 points

Our pick 17 = 1239 points and pick 18 for example = 1201 points.

So we do have a bit to play with to move higher than our pick 37 if we combine them for a trade higher. In recent years we have seen us be very imaginative and daring on draft night.

Expect the unexpected.

[Supreme_Demon 3,849]

On 11/16/2021 at 11:06 AM, manny100 said:

If we have to use pick 57 plus change for Woey that leaves us with picks 17, 37 and 49.

Pick 37 = 704 points, Pick 49 = 504 points. Combined = 1208 points

Our pick 17 = 1239 points and pick 18 for example = 1201 points.

So we do have a bit to play with to move higher than our pick 37 if we combine them for a trade higher. In recent years we have seen us be very imaginative and daring on draft night.

Expect the unexpected.

Agreed.

If we can somehow snaffle Western Bulldog's pick 23 or Carlton's pick 25 that would definitely be worthwhile!

[Whispering_Jack 30,107]

On 11/11/2021 at 1:45 PM, IvanBartul13 said:

Have you recalibrated where youre expecting Cody Raak, Kobi George and Max Pescud to go?

Alas, George has not nominated for this year’s draft according to the list of over 700 players published on today’s HS on line subscriber pages. 

[Whispering_Jack 30,107]

4 hours ago, Whispering_Jack said:

Alas, George has not nominated for this year’s draft according to the list of over 700 players published on today’s HS on line subscriber pages. 

Correction. The HS update this morning and they now have 863 players including Kobi George. However, what we don't know is whether he remains an NGA for the purposes of the draft.

[spirit of norm smith 16,457]

https://www.afl.com.au/news/687290/cal-twomey-s-phantom-form-guide-top-draft-prospects-november-ranking
 

interesting reading through how players have shifted through the year 

Jacob Van Rooyen certainly presents as a very good option with his athleticism and ability to play forward or back.
MFC can give him and other youngsters the time to develop and not be rushed like we did with other draftees. The luxury of a strong list helps us bring along youngsters at the right pace.  Of course having Choco on board is a big bonus ❤️💙🏆

[adonski 12,132]

https://www.theage.com.au/sport/afl/giants-consider-drafting-mates-to-counter-go-home-factor-20211117-p599m4.html

 

 

Edited November 18, 2021 by adonski

[DeeSpencer 25,703]

Callaghan seems close to a lock to the Giants and rightly so. He’s got attributes to play wing or a flank but the Giants have so much talent it’s possible he struggles for early opportunities. So drafting Howes would be an investment in keeping him around.

I also think Howes has genuine claims as a first rounder and would be right in the mix for our pick. 

[durango 2,007]

Does anybody know about Jed Brereton, I know he is 201cm but what is he like as a player or is he just tall.